TOYOTA HI-ACE COMMUTER 2014 vs NISSAN URVAN 2014

[jhune garcia]

mga boss tanong lang?

balak ko kaseng mglabas ng van byaheng cabanatuaan/baguio?

1. anu ba malakas sa ahunan? hatak?
2. anu ba malakas ang ac?
3. anu ba matipid sa diesel?
4. mura ang maintenance?
5. pwede bang imodify ang 15 seater para gawing 18 seater?
6. urvan or commuter? same 2014 model

salamat sa tulong mga boss.

[jhune garcia]

up lang mga boss para sa thread, thanks

[jaypee10]

tested na sa ahunan
lakas ng aircon.

ang urban.

sa parts yata mas mahal ang nissan kaysa sa toyota.

[Ry_Tower]

mga boss tanong lang?

balak ko kaseng mglabas ng van byaheng cabanatuaan/baguio?

1. anu ba malakas sa ahunan? hatak?
2. anu ba malakas ang ac?
3. anu ba matipid sa diesel?
4. mura ang maintenance?
5. pwede bang imodify ang 15 seater para gawing 18 seater?
6. urvan or commuter? same 2014 model

salamat sa tulong mga boss.

1. Mas malakas siyempre new technology so Hi-Ace panalo dyan.
2. Mas malakas Nissan AC pero pero, hindi naman mahina AC nang Toyota. Hindi dapat deal breaker yan. Trust me.
3. Siyempre Toyota Hi-ace mas matipid. Malayo sa Nissan Urvan FC nila.
4. Tingin ko in the long run mas mura Nissan Urvan. But alaga sa oil filter at fuel filter lang need nang Toyota para matibay din makina. Sa ibang parts, mas mura Toyota kung replacements pag-uusapan. Mas madami din.
5. Puwede pero, pangit. Hindi yan designed dyan.
6. Hi-Ace siyempre. Urvan pupuwede lang kapag sobrang pangit fuel quality sa lugar niyo.

[sotel]

panu kapag yung urvan estate?

[iceblue]

If you are not in a hurry, hintayin nyo na lang yung bagong NV350. Inuubos na lang nila ang inventories ng last gen Urvan at ilalabas na nila ang next gen Nissan Urvan (NV350).

Technologically, mas ok na ang new gen Urvan. The way I understand it it's the same engine but modernized and modified to be "Clean Diesel" and is fully Euro 4 compliant. Better FC as well. The Engine from the Hiace is still only just Euro2. Meron din syang Particulate filter so you can still use Euro2 or suspicious "dirty" diesel found on provinces w/o worries.

By 2016, all fuel stations should be Euro 4 compliant. Why settle for a non-Euro 4 engine? And who knows when will a politician start to implement to phase out non Euro-4 diesel engines. So, whether this is for the long-haul or you plan to sell after 5 years or so baka mahirapan na rin kayo maibenta yan as a 2nd-hand. Either that or the resale value would be significantly lower since it's only a Euro2 engine and perceived as a liability by the time you sell it.

[jhune garcia]

mr. iceblue yup nakita ko na dito sa qatar yung nv350 halos ksing porma ng commuter, kaya lang yung look nya sa side parang hindi ako nagagandahan,

salamat sa reply

[jhune garcia]

mr. ry tower salamat sa reply mo,

mga sir, go na ako sa hi ace commuter, aprove na rin ng bangko application ko,
anu pa po ba ang concern sa hi ace commuter? wala po kase ako sa pinas ngayon
ipapalabas ko lang a father ko.

[vinj]

Power - Hiace
AC - Not sure as I dont know if the Commuter has the same AC vent layout as the Grandia and Super Grandia which are both good.
FC - Hiace
Maintenance - for the regular service quits lang. If you encounter fuel system problems or more complicated issues, the Urvan, being an oldschool diesel should be simpler to maintain in the long run.

Between the two, for personal use definitely Hiace as im happy with our Grandia but for business use or pangharabas, then id probably consider the Urvan more.

[GTi]

mga boss tanong lang?

balak ko kaseng mglabas ng van byaheng cabanatuaan/baguio?

1. anu ba malakas sa ahunan? hatak?
2. anu ba malakas ang ac?
3. anu ba matipid sa diesel?
4. mura ang maintenance?
5. pwede bang imodify ang 15 seater para gawing 18 seater?
6. urvan or commuter? same 2014 model

salamat sa tulong mga boss.

1. Hiace. Modern commonrail turbocharged engine versus old school non-turbo of the Urvan.
2. Nakalimutan ko, yung rear air vents ba ng Hiace sa 2nd row lang, o umaabot hanggang likod? Yung sa Urvan malamig nga pero minsan yung likod hindi naaabutan ng hangin.
3. Hiace. Again, modern engine trumps old school rotary type fuel injection. The difference will be quite clear when you're climbing Baguio, where the extra power is much appreciated. Old school diesels may be fuel efficient on a flat surface, but they become very thirsty on the slopes where you have to rev much harder.
4. Routine maintenance, hindi naman nagkakalayo kapag nagpagawa sa labas. Pero kapag mga high tech electronic components nasira sa Hiace, medyo mahal ang piyesa.
5. Pwede naman. But the Commuter is already quite uncomfortable as it is...
6. Since nasa may bundok ka lagi, Hiace nalang. You will appreciate the extra power. Just see if you can soften the ride, especially at the rear. Nauseous passengers can be a big headache.

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[Sarsi]

mga boss tanong lang?

balak ko kaseng mglabas ng van byaheng cabanatuaan/baguio?

1. anu ba malakas sa ahunan? hatak?
2. anu ba malakas ang ac?
3. anu ba matipid sa diesel?
4. mura ang maintenance?
5. pwede bang imodify ang 15 seater para gawing 18 seater?
6. urvan or commuter? same 2014 model

salamat sa tulong mga boss.

The word Baguio will make the difference here. All UV express from Nueva Ecija, Baguio, Tarlac usually take Kennon Road, based on what i have seen when going to and coming from Baguio.

1. Commuter
2. Urvan, usually UV express add a blower at the back, whether urvan or Commuter.
3. Commuter
4. Urvan for regular maintenance, it's a different story when other parts broke down.
5. Yes, go to seatmate in Mandaluyong or antipolo. Any seating configuration can be made by them.
6. For the specific purpose you mentioned, get the commuter.

Ang urvan, parang pagong yan pag umaakyat sa Kennon road, if you compare it with commuter. I have one, kaya nakikita ko kaibahan nila. Although if the driver is "skilled", it doesn't matter kung anong van yan. But 95% of UV express na may Baguio route were using Commuter.



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[GTi]

Ang urvan, parang pagong yan pag umaakyat sa Kennon road, if you compare it with commuter. I have one, kaya nakikita ko kaibahan nila. Although if the driver is "skilled", it doesn't matter kung anong van yan. But 95% of UV express na may Baguio route were using Commuter.



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Yes, and there also seems to be a rising popularity of Foton View's. When I drove the Revo (2.4 diesel) to Baguio via Kennon Road, I encountered a Foton View UV Express. Nagulat ako sa lakas ng hatak! There was no black smoke and it was climbing at a very rapid pace. My accelerator was already floored and I still could not overtake him!

I calculated an average fuel consumption of around 10km/L on my Baguio trip with the Revo (7 passengers plus luggage). Around one line from QC to La Union and almost another line just for the length of Kennon Road. Rough calculations show that it would've been consuming around 13-14km/l on the flatlands and just around 4-5km/l on Kennon Road. The Urvan has an engine that produces similar power output. I think it's consumption shouldn't be far off.

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[sotel]

The word Baguio will make the difference here. All UV express from Nueva Ecija, Baguio, Tarlac usually take Kennon Road, based on what i have seen when going to and coming from Baguio.

1. Commuter
2. Urvan, usually UV express add a blower at the back, whether urvan or Commuter.
3. Commuter
4. Urvan for regular maintenance, it's a different story when other parts broke down.
5. Yes, go to seatmate in Mandaluyong or antipolo. Any seating configuration can be made by them.
6. For the specific purpose you mentioned, get the commuter.

Ang urvan, parang pagong yan pag umaakyat sa Kennon road, if you compare it with commuter. I have one, kaya nakikita ko kaibahan nila. Although if the driver is "skilled", it doesn't matter kung anong van yan. But 95% of UV express na may Baguio route were using Commuter.



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sir panu kung ung nissan urvan estate 3.0

[cocoy]

sir panu kung ung nissan urvan estate 3.0

just my two cents.. cant help but comment.. have a friend that owns one.. overall its not a bad van.. but with 3.0 non turbo engine.. its not efficient at all... i dont know why nissan didnt put a turbo in it.. or put a CRDI engine.. because the design of the urvan estate is similar to the new Hiace. to think that Nissan came out with the Urvan estate ahead of the Hiace.

[12vdc]

just my two cents.. cant help but comment.. have a friend that owns one.. overall its not a bad van.. but with 3.0 non turbo engine.. its not efficient at all... i dont know why nissan didnt put a turbo in it.. or put a CRDI engine.. because the design of the urvan estate is similar to the new Hiace. to think that Nissan came out with the Urvan estate ahead of the Hiace.

AFAIK Nissan came first ahead of yota with the big body design Urvan E25. That time Nissan had no CRD engine for asian markets so they utilised the ZD30DD N/A. Last time i checked, Nissan Ph already discontinued E25 while E24 remains on sale. Maybe because its not priced well nobody is buying, and for over 1.2M one could go with CRDi version from Toyota or Hundai.

[andrew1028]

just my two cents.. cant help but comment.. have a friend that owns one.. overall its not a bad van.. but with 3.0 non turbo engine.. its not efficient at all... i dont know why nissan didnt put a turbo in it.. or put a CRDI engine.. because the design of the urvan estate is similar to the new Hiace. to think that Nissan came out with the Urvan estate ahead of the Hiace.

crdi na rin po yung zd30 ng estate.

[12vdc]

crdi na rin po yung zd30 ng estate.

ZD30DD for the E25 Urvan Estate is non-CR, non-Turboe/non-Intercooled producing Hp/rpm 105/3800, Nm/rpm 209/2000, Compression Ratio 18:5:1, Bore stroke mm 96 x 102

This is how Nissan Engine is interpreted

ZD = Engine series code. The 'D' is common across all diesel engine codes
30 = Engine capacity (3.0L)
D = Double Overhead camshafts
D = Direct Injection (as opposed to “indirect” injection as it is in the TD & RD engine series)
T = Turbo
i = intercooler

For comparison, ZD30 came in with different versions..

ZD30DDT & ZD30DDTi using VP44 Bosch Radial pumps were used by the older Patrols and Au/SA/EU D22 Navara/Phatys
ZD30DDTi CRD 1600BAR Bosch - was made availalble on 2007, our current Y61 Pootrol is using this producing
Hp/rpm 118/3600, Nm/rpm 354/2000, Compression Ratio 17:9:1, Bore stroke mm 93 x 102

They are discontinuing large engines like TD42 RD28 and the likes because it failed to comply with new Euro emission standards. The reason also why the new E26 Urvan will be coming in using YD25 engine which is a Euro4 compliant.

[iceblue]

ZD30DD for the E25 Urvan Estate is non-CR, non-Turboe/non-Intercooled producing Hp/rpm 105/3800, Nm/rpm 209/2000, Compression Ratio 18:5:1, Bore stroke mm 96 x 102

This is how Nissan Engine is interpreted

ZD = Engine series code. The 'D' is common across all diesel engine codes
30 = Engine capacity (3.0L)
D = Double Overhead camshafts
D = Direct Injection (as opposed to “indirect” injection as it is in the TD & RD engine series)
T = Turbo
i = intercooler

For comparison, ZD30 came in with different versions..

ZD30DDT & ZD30DDTi using VP44 Bosch Radial pumps were used by the older Patrols and Au/SA/EU D22 Navara/Phatys
ZD30DDTi CRD 1600BAR Bosch - was made availalble on 2007, our current Y61 Pootrol is using this producing
Hp/rpm 118/3600, Nm/rpm 354/2000, Compression Ratio 17:9:1, Bore stroke mm 93 x 102

They are discontinuing large engines like TD42 RD28 and the likes because it failed to comply with new Euro emission standards. The reason also why the new E26 Urvan will be coming in using YD25 engine which is a Euro4 compliant.

More or less ito rin sinabi ko sa post #6. If they are not in a hurry, just wait for the new Urvan with the Euro 4 compliant "Clean Diesel" engine than be caught with buying a van with old diesel engine that are just euro2 engines.

[Mguy]

Funny though.

I have seen tour operators in Bohol use primarily the Urvan. Sa Palawan naman, mas maraming Hi-Ace naman doon.

Having rode both, I do prefer the Urvan better than the Hiace. Mas comfortable ang ride. Napaka stiff ang ride ng Hiace and matigas ang mga upuan. Of course, that was my main concern as wala akong pake sa fuel consumption or hatak or maintenance ng mga iyan. I'm pretty sure that most operators are willing to compromise on passenger comfort just to increase their bottom line.

[chyll2]

Funny though.

I have seen tour operators in Bohol use primarily the Urvan. Sa Palawan naman, mas maraming Hi-Ace naman doon.

Having rode both, I do prefer the Urvan better than the Hiace. Mas comfortable ang ride. Napaka stiff ang ride ng Hiace and matigas ang mga upuan. Of course, that was my main concern as wala akong pake sa fuel consumption or hatak or maintenance ng mga iyan. I'm pretty sure that most operators are willing to compromise on passenger comfort just to increase their bottom line.

same observations and same conclusion as well

add to the experience when I commute as well, mas prefer ko urvan.

Comfort: mas okay sakin urvan kahit sa likod ako nakaupo
AC: mas ramdam yung sa Urvan pag nabilad sa araw but for most of the UV Express, almost all of them (hiace and urvan) add blower sa likod. The only case na mahina yung AC ng urvan is when I notice na masyado ng luma yung unit or hindi eto maintained.