Vios 1.3 M/T faster than Mazda 3 2.0R!

[RadioKnight]

0 to 60 (or thereabouts... Not top speed) --- which is faster?

Does anyone have first hand experience? Ive driven both and really feel the vios is faster (?)

One of these days, i might just race the two just to see which is which... Hehe

Anyone care to share their experience with the two?

[mda]

The Vios 1.5s are faster than the 1.6 3s, but I doubt that the 1.3s will be faster than the 2.0Rs.

Not first hand experience though. We don't own any of the two.

But as far as I know, the Civic 1.8 AT will accelerate around the same speed that the 2.0R will, and I don't think matatapatan yan ng 1.3 Vios.

[niky]

The 2.0R and Civic 1.8 AT both get to 100 km/h in 10.5 seconds or so from a dead stop.

The Vios 1.5 MT does the same in about 11 seconds.

Your Vios 1.3 MT should do it in about 12 or so. It only feels faster because Toyota programs its electronic throttles to open more completely with smaller pedal inputs.

With the 2.0R, it's
10% pedal - (delay) 10% throttle
50% - 50%
100% - 100%

With Toyota's it's usually
10% pedal - 20% throttle
50% - 80%
100% - 100%.

All perception.

[vinj]

The Vios is also lighter thus it feels nervous and faster at speed versus the heavier 1.6s.

[RadioKnight]

The 2.0R and Civic 1.8 AT both get to 100 km/h in 10.5 seconds or so from a dead stop.

The Vios 1.5 MT does the same in about 11 seconds.

Your Vios 1.3 MT should do it in about 12 or so. It only feels faster because Toyota programs its electronic throttles to open more completely with smaller pedal inputs.

With the 2.0R, it's
10% pedal - (delay) 10% throttle
50% - 50%
100% - 100%

With Toyota's it's usually
10% pedal - 20% throttle
50% - 80%
100% - 100%.

All perception.

Thanks for your input! If this is true, toyota did a great job with improving feel and perception. Now that you mentioned it, i did base my observation only from slightly spirited city driving, NOT from full throttle scenarios.

I just downloaded this cool app for my android phone that uses gps to time how long it takes for you to get from speed X to speed Y. Really cool! Can't wait to test it out and see which is faster! Will posts results here! Too bad I don't know anyone who has a civic I can time.

[niky]

I'm not completely satisfied with the performance of GPS-based speed meters on Androids. Most Android phones don't have the accuracy to give consistent results. And standing starts often flummox them, and they don't start timing right away.

Best results you can get with a "cheap" device are with the Racelogic V-Box.

That said, best to do testing on a piece of ground that's straight, with no traffic. You'll have to use your GPS to measure altitude at the beginning and end of the straight. For slow cars like the Vios, a slightly uphill pull results in a much longer time, while a slightly downhill one results in a shorter time.

Safest to do, if you don't want to ruin your clutch, is a 30-60 mph measure or a 60-100 km/h one.

[RadioKnight]

*niky : thanks for your advice. I just got back in from a night of 'testing'! Pretty fun!

I agree that the android gps time apps are less than satisfactory! At the very best, i think they are only good as basis of comparison (especially if used over many 'runs').

I tested 20-80kph -- as i thought this is the 'sweet spot'. But since 20 kph is slow, i ended up taking it from stop and 1st gear anyway.

unfortunately, i was not able to take the vios out, but i was able to do about 5 runs on the mazda 3 2.0... I averaged around 8 seconds. (does this sound right?).

Im normally quite a mild mannered driver. But for the sake of science, I kept gunning it from stop... The car would shift itself at red line! Whew!

Side question: Assuming car is warm already, how damaging is open throttle hard acceleration? What would you keep an eye out for? engine damage? Clutch? Transmission? Or is this generally ok? I assume a lot of the performance buffs here gun their cars quite a bit. Should i have the car checked out after? But that was quite fun!

Going back to my experimentation, I'll see if i can borrow and take the vios out tom. My worry is that the gps app can not capture the fine difference. Anyway, aside from the vios, I will also try it on a car that should deliver a faster time and see if gps will validate what is expected.