Innova A/T questions

[bratski]

question lang po sa mga naka vvti a/t, napansin ko kasi na yung a/t likes to stay in first gear longer than usual and medyo jerky pa ang shifting niya from 1st to 2nd.sa ibang cars ko kasi pag around 20kmh usually nasa 2nd gear na and nag downshift lang to 1st pag almost complete stop na. yung sa innova ko laging nagtatagal sa 1st. from 3rd to 4th naman smooth ang shift. ano kaya dapat ko i-check? and ano pala atf type ng vvti a/t? thanks

[brubeck]

correct me if i'm wrong but i think it's the rpm that determines when the auto tranny shifts and not your speed.

it could be puno ka or heavy load kaya it takes longer for your tranny to shift. if not, better inform your SA about it on your next pms.

[MadoX]

correct me if i'm wrong but i think it's the rpm that determines when the auto tranny shifts and not your speed.

it could be puno ka or heavy load kaya it takes longer for your tranny to shift. if not, better inform your SA about it on your next pms.

Aside from being loaded, you could be on an incline or you're just stepping on the gas to hard.

Good Luck.

[bratski]

actually it happens whether im the only one inside (no cargo and on flat roads).im bothered by the jerky shifting from 1st to 2nd (kinda like the civic ek's shifting), however from 2nd to 3rd and 3rd to 4th the shifting is smooth. and at 20kph the transmission shifts down to 1st even though the gradient is flat and im light on the throttle. another thing, regarding the atf of the innova, what kind of atf can i use in replacement? toyota branded atf are way too costly.

[Gumusut_Amige]

actually it happens whether im the only one inside (no cargo and on flat roads).im bothered by the jerky shifting from 1st to 2nd (kinda like the civic ek's shifting), however from 2nd to 3rd and 3rd to 4th the shifting is smooth. and at 20kph the transmission shifts down to 1st even though the gradient is flat and im light on the throttle. another thing, regarding the atf of the innova, what kind of atf can i use in replacement? toyota branded atf are way too costly.

i can't barely notice mine if it's shifting from 2 to 3 to 4. from 1 to 2 the rpm band range is up to 2500 if light footed and up to 3000 rpm if hard pressed. your manual will indicate what rpm should kicks in but jerky? hmm its a different story-ask your SA for clarification. ATF should only be changed at 40k PMS if my memory serves.

[Horsepower]

correct me if i'm wrong but i think it's the rpm that determines when the auto tranny shifts and not your speed.

The rpm ALONG with the speed is what info the AT needs in order to shift to the correct gear.

You can know the shift point (the specific speed where your AT upshifts) by staying in one rpm band (somewhere between 2,000-3,000 with petrol engines, with diesels, it's around 1,700rpm).

[rion]

is the innova a/t using old kickdown system?
hindi ba nakikita ang type of ATF mark sa dipstick mo?
how old is the car?

[woohoo]

question lang po sa mga naka vvti a/t, napansin ko kasi na yung a/t likes to stay in first gear longer than usual and medyo jerky pa ang shifting niya from 1st to 2nd.sa ibang cars ko kasi pag around 20kmh usually nasa 2nd gear na and nag downshift lang to 1st pag almost complete stop na. yung sa innova ko laging nagtatagal sa 1st. from 3rd to 4th naman smooth ang shift. ano kaya dapat ko i-check? and ano pala atf type ng vvti a/t? thanks

FWIW, ganyan din ang Avanza G A/T ko (jerky upshift from 1 to 2, pero smooth na after that). Mas ramdam kung lightfooted ka.

I can make it shift at around 15kph sometimes, pero on the average, siguro it shifts at 18-20kph, 2000-2050 rpm. Tapos pag-shift niya, babalik sa ~1500rpm. Sa other gears, usually shifts at 2050-2100rpm, tapos bababa sa 1800-1900rpm depende sa tapak.

[attyallanlatras]

I just recently took home an Innova G a/t. I was told by the toyota agent that on a steep road, I will have to maintain it on D, and not on 2 or L. Is he right? I was of the impression that 2 and L are for climbing steep road. He said that 2 and L are for downhill road. Please enlighten me on this. Thanks.

[rion]

additional questions:

has it been like that before?
did the fuel consumption increase?

[bratski]

additional questions:

has it been like that before?
did the fuel consumption increase?

i just got the unit a few months ago,its a 2005 model, and i was wondering if all innova vvti a/t's are jerky shifters. my current fuel consumption is at 6km/liter. since im pretty lightfooted ramdam ko talaga yung jerkiness shifting from 1-2, from 2-3 and 3-4 smooth naman na. i sometimes use the "lift foot from gas pedal slightly technique" to make it upshift sooner, from 1st to 2nd it upshifts at 1,500rpm if i do the technique, yun nga lang jerky ang pag upshift. reminds me of my old civic ek.its irritating on stop and go traffic wherein the transmission shifts back from 1st to 2nd gear and vice versa. but on acceleration (trans shifts from 1-4) everything seems fine.

[rion]

6km/liter? isn't it too much?

somehow I can relate your jerky shifting with our a/t townace. when the tranny started to do late upshift, it jerks when engaging to 2nd gear. while 3rd-4th is smooth. the fuel consumption almost doubled...

[leonleon]

i just got the unit a few months ago,its a 2005 model, and i was wondering if all innova vvti a/t's are jerky shifters. my current fuel consumption is at 6km/liter. since im pretty lightfooted ramdam ko talaga yung jerkiness shifting from 1-2, from 2-3 and 3-4 smooth naman na. ........reminds me of my old civic ek.its irritating on stop and go traffic wherein the transmission shifts back from 1st to 2nd gear and vice versa. but on acceleration (trans shifts from 1-4) everything seems fine.

Toyota A/T trannys are not jerky at all - even the lowly revo is not jerky. I agree, though, that Honda tranny's are (Civic VVTi, circa 1997).

And for a VVTi, 6kms / liter is kinda low.... but then I don't own an Innova. I do own an altis 1.6 VVTi and the usual FC city is 8-9 kms/liter.

[woohoo]

I just recently took home an Innova G a/t. I was told by the toyota agent that on a steep road, I will have to maintain it on D, and not on 2 or L. Is he right? I was of the impression that 2 and L are for climbing steep road. He said that 2 and L are for downhill road. Please enlighten me on this. Thanks.

Halos ganyan nga ang sabi sa manual... Please read it. Marami kang matututunan dun.

I'm sure the manual for your Innova A/T will say something similar to the following...

Page 91 of Avanza Owner's Guide says:

(middle of the page)

NOTICE ...

Do not continue hill climbing or hard towing for a long time in the "2" or "L" position. This may cause severe automatic transmission damage from overheating. To prevent such damage, "D" position should be used in hill climbing or hard towing.

[attyallanlatras]

Halos ganyan nga ang sabi sa manual... Please read it. Marami kang matututunan dun.

I'm sure the manual for your Innova A/T will say something similar to the following...

Page 91 of Avanza Owner's Guide says:

(middle of the page)

NOTICE ...

Do not continue hill climbing or hard towing for a long time in the "2" or "L" position. This may cause severe automatic transmission damage from overheating. To prevent such damage, "D" position should be used in hill climbing or hard towing.

Thanks. I have just read the manual. Indeed I should only use D for hill climbing. By the way, in my old toyota gli a/t 1994, if I maintain "D" for steeps roads, nahihirapan young makina ko. But when I use "2", the car has more power. My question is: Has there been a change in the system in automatic transmission?

[woohoo]

Thanks. I have just read the manual. Indeed I should only use D for hill climbing. By the way, in my old toyota gli a/t 1994, if I maintain "D" for steeps roads, nahihirapan young makina ko. But when I use "2", the car has more power. My question is: Has there been a change in the system in automatic transmission?

I would tend to think so... 14 years have passed, I'm almost sure there has been lots of improvements.