2012 Fortuner and Hilux officially launched at NBC Tent

[niky]

Fortuner and Hilux Launch

The most welcome change from the old cars is the new seat-contouring (which was actually explained in-depth during the AV presentation). This gives the seats more of a bucket than before, and combined with new foam inserts, makes the rear seat much more liveable. The back-rest also feels better, but I can't give a full verdict until the road test.



Things should be better on the road now, with a retuned and redesigned suspension and new 17" wheels. Those wheels come standard on the entire Fortuner range and are also on the top-of-the-line Hilux. The Fortuner has always driven better than most ladder frames in the class, so with a better suspension and more-squared off tires on 17s, it should comfortably retain that USP. We'll know by this weekend when we get to try out the new suspension on the road.



Also standard on the Fortuner across the range are auto-levelling HIDs, side-mirror turn signals, steering-wheel audio controls, USB and Bluetooth connectivity, automatic climate control, back-up sensors and leather (except on the base 4x2 MT model... the 4x2 AT gets it). When they tag the entire line-up as "G" variants, they mean it.

Read my lips: No new engines!

Shame... they could have at least implemented the intercooler option on the "G" variants with the 2.5. The intercooler would have bumped power to 118 hp, which, while it's not great, is acceptable.

Still... the new Fort and Hilux 3.0s seem to once again be proper buying alternatives, with the better looks and comfort. Still not sold on the plastics. Someone commented that this seems to be a trend with Thai-made cars... and having issues with the plastics on Thai-made Fords versus Philippine-made ones, I have to agree....

For anyone interested, the Hilux is available for test-drives from today until August 23. The Fortuner test drives will start on Saturday. EB?

[Monseratto]

I wouldn't want to be the one to wash those ugly looking rims...

[RRperformance]

ok na sana yung updated version ng fortuner and hilux tapus almost same price na sa montero. pero ang sablay hindi nila pinalitan ng VNT turbo na same sa thailand.

[cjv_justice]

I've seen this new Hilux up-close... I think I like this now than the Strada. A newer engine would have been nice. Finally with an LSD.

[SiRbossR]

ok na sana yung updated version ng fortuner and hilux tapus almost same price na sa montero. pero ang sablay hindi nila pinalitan ng VNT turbo na same sa thailand.

The 1KD-FTV 3.0 engine of the Fortuner has already been equipped with VNT since it's release in circa 2005.

[zix888]

*hinDMaxsiado










Yes sir tama kayo about the website, kaso mali po yung gumawa ng graph nila ( well kasalanan din ng mmpc yan for not making the necessary correction ) eto po ang real graph from mitsu thailand, plus the specs from its manual.

[sm2by]

Toyota Please put VSC on all the models as Standard

[pacer]

Toyota Please put VSC on all the models as Standard

Any info if these new Fort and Hilux models are VSC equipped? The Thai models are VSC equipped as indicated in their website. That's the issue of about new models marketed in the Philippines. In Australia their Toyota Hilux is VSC equipped. Same with the Mitsubishi Triton and Challenger which have ASC. I hope this is not omitted from the upcoming Ford Ranger in their Philippine models. Better yet the Captiva, it has ESP as standard. If it were the size of the New Fort or The MS it would make a better option.

Maybe the Philippine goverment agencies concerned should require better safety features for new models that are coming out. They should be aware of empirical evidence that VSC, ASC, ESP, etc would greatly improve vehicle safety. They should read this link.
SUVs now least likely for rollover crashes - Yahoo! Autos

[Tj_abs]

Any info if these new Fort and Hilux models are VSC equipped? The Thai models are VSC equipped as indicated in their website. That's the issue of about new models marketed in the Philippines. In Australia their Toyota Hilux is VSC equipped. Same with the Mitsubishi Triton and Challenger which have ASC. I hope this is not omitted from the upcoming Ford Ranger in their Philippine models. Better yet the Captiva, it has ESP as standard. If it were the size of the New Fort or The MS it would make a better option.

Maybe the Philippine goverment agencies concerned should require better safety features for new models that are coming out. They should be aware of empirical evidence that VSC, ASC, ESP, etc would greatly improve vehicle safety. They should read this link.
SUVs now least likely for rollover crashes - Yahoo! Autos

I understand your demand but TMP is deaf as of now because it will affect the pricing of their hot selling fort. Remedy, if there's a law like mandatory for all car manufacturer to install VSC,ESP & other safety technologies then it will be standard for all vehicle to have this kind of technologies. sa ibang country nga optional ito and if your car is less safer and high on emission, mas mataas ang insurance and registration ng auto mo. here , the price of the car and weight are the basis of insurance premium and car registration. dont worry wait ka after 2 years, for sure upgrade nila uli fortuner and by then standar na ang VSC,ESP etc

[Walter]

Maybe the Philippine goverment agencies concerned should require better safety features for new models that are coming out. They should be aware of empirical evidence that VSC, ASC, ESP, etc would greatly improve vehicle safety. They should read this link.
SUVs now least likely for rollover crashes - Yahoo! Autos

Yes, they should first implement this on jeepneys, buses and tricycles.

[Tj_abs]

Yes, they should first implement this on jeepneys, buses and tricycles.

And kuligligs(motorized pedecab) also hehe

[hinDMaxsiado]

*hinDMaxsiado

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Yes sir tama kayo about the website, kaso mali po yung gumawa ng graph nila ( well kasalanan din ng mmpc yan for not making the necessary correction ) eto po ang real graph from mitsu thailand, plus the specs from its manual.

Mabuti sir nai-post niyo yan at matagal ko na rin nakita yan sa Mitsu Thailand....
....Ganon din yan sir, not trustworthy na data, unless the person reading it likes to take what he JUST wants to see

Look closely the red line sir diyan sa Thai website and anyone who is critical about the fact that while the paper-claims of Mitsubishi in both fronts differ, say Mitsu Philippine website and Mitsu Thailand, this one even shows a questionable torque graph ---- The torque here in this Thai website is already dipping-down past 3000 rpm and is NOT extending flat-out to 3500 rpm as claimed, while that on the Mitsu Philippines official data, it is still peaking up at 3000 rpm going to 3500 rpm and then dropping off rapidly haha!....
....Puros mga retoque na yan sir ah at hindi magkatugma-tugma mga official data sa iisang makina lang na pinag-uusapan nila hehe


i have BIG doubts at any data coming from Mitsubishi quite frankly given by the fact na malalayo mga paper claims nila maging sa chassis-dyno na data ng Speedlab Racing. As an example, this data pertains to the 3.2-litre 4M41 engine on the Strada. While we all know that the publicised stock-trim figure for the 3.2-litre Strada/ Montysport is 343 Nm peak torque at 2000 rpm, but on this chassis-dyno, it is ONLY making 313 Nm at the rear wheel and at an even higher rev of 3000 rpm

You may convert sir 231.1 lb force-ft to Nm and you'll get 312.9 Nm only (see red line for the stock-setting)




NOW compare that to the stock-trim 3.0-litre 1KD-FTV engine of the Hilux ---- While Toyota publicises the torque of this engine for the Forty and Hilux to be around 343 Nm, in the chassis-dyno by Speedlab Racing, however, it is actually making a rear-wheel torque of 383 Nm at 2500 rpm

See the red line sir for the stock setting of the Hilux




At mukhang mas RESPONSIVE pa ang Toyota 1KD-FTV engine sa mods (kahit 1st-stage intake mod lang ito, i.e. the Unichip) kaysa sa 4M41 engine na sinalpakan na ng Unichip plus alcohol injection. The 4M41 was only able to gain 410 Nm peak torque with the two mods installed, while the Toyota 1KD-FTV gained a WHOPPING 455 Nm of peak torque with the Unichip alone....

[zix888]

Mabuti sir nai-post niyo yan at matagal ko na rin nakita yan sa Mitsu Thailand....
....Ganon din yan sir, not trustworthy na data, unless the person reading it likes to take what he JUST wants to see

Look closely the red line sir diyan sa Thai website and anyone who is critical about the fact that while the paper-claims of Mitsubishi in both fronts differ, say Mitsu Philippine website and Mitsu Thailand, this one even shows a questionable torque graph ---- The torque here in this Thai website is already dipping-down past 3000 rpm and is NOT extending flat-out to 3500 rpm as claimed, while that on the Mitsu Philippines official data, it is still peaking up at 3000 rpm going to 3500 rpm and then dropping off rapidly haha!....
....Puros mga retoque na yan sir ah at hindi magkatugma-tugma mga official data sa iisang makina lang na pinag-uusapan nila hehe


i have BIG doubts at any data coming from Mitsubishi quite frankly given by the fact na malalayo mga paper claims nila maging sa chassis-dyno na data ng Speedlab Racing. As an example, this data pertains to the 3.2-litre 4M41 engine on the Strada. While we all know that the publicised stock-trim figure for the 3.2-litre Strada/ Montysport is 343 Nm peak torque at 2000 rpm, but on this chassis-dyno, it is ONLY making 313 Nm at the rear wheel and at an even higher rev of 3000 rpm

You may convert sir 231.1 lb force-ft to Nm and you'll get 312.9 Nm only (see red line for the stock-setting)




NOW compare that to the stock-trim 3.0-litre 1KD-FTV engine of the Hilux ---- While Toyota publicises the torque of this engine for the Forty and Hilux to be around 343 Nm, in the chassis-dyno by Speedlab Racing, however, it is actually making a rear-wheel torque of 383 Nm at 2500 rpm

See the red line sir for the stock setting of the Hilux




At mukhang mas RESPONSIVE pa ang Toyota 1KD-FTV engine sa mods (kahit 1st-stage intake mod lang ito, i.e. the Unichip) kaysa sa 4M41 engine na sinalpakan na ng Unichip plus alcohol injection. The 4M41 was only able to gain 410 Nm peak torque with the two mods installed, while the Toyota 1KD-FTV gained a WHOPPING 455 Nm of peak torque with the Unichip alone....

Well that's your opinion sir, but as far as mitsu/toyota specs and manual is concern,balikatan lang ang 3.0vnt fort and 2.5vgt ng monty. Oops ot na, sensya na. Is the new fort pala with sports mode na din?TIA

[hinDMaxsiado]

Well that's your opinion sir, but as far as mitsu/toyota specs and manual is concern,balikatan lang ang 3.0vnt fort and 2.5vgt ng monty. Oops ot na, sensya na. Is the new fort pala with sports mode na din?TIA

NOPE, mababa lang torque rating ng Mitsu 4D56 na sinalpakan lang ng VGT sa low-end rpm compared to the 3.0-litre Toyota 1KD-FTV.... At hindi magka-tugma tugma data ng Mitsubishi sa iba't ibang websites.... Needless to say, hindi alam paano i-retoke ng Mitsuboshi ang claim nila para maibenta sa Thailand dahil malakas na malakas ang benta ng Toyota Hilux sir

Klarong-klaro that in reality the 4D56 VGT is NOT making 350 Nm at 1800 rpm, as falsely claimed by Mitsuboshi for the sake of publicity hehe :D ....Heto excerpt sa article ni Mr. Ferman Lao (President of CAGI, co-owner of Speedlab Racing, and technical editor of TopGear Phils.)

"Geeking out, it’s interesting to fathom how the power and torque comes in with the newer and more powerful Variable Geometry Turbo (VGT) equipped 4D56. Comparing data from the dynamometer charts, the newer engine reaches its peak torque at 3,500 rpm INSTEAD of a low 2,000 rpm. Although the two older engines are capable of delivering 250 Nm as early as 1,500 rpm, peak torque is achieved only 500 rpm later and drops off quickly, thereby making acceleration and throttle response suffer - a common complaint amongst older Montero Sport owners. Also, the VGT-equipped 4D56 produces 250 Nm of torque as low as 1,800 rpm giving it a much broader rpm range...."

Mitsubishi Montero Sport GTV: The Hiroshi Masuoka Challenge

[zix888]

NOPE, mababa lang torque rating ng Mitsu 4D56 na sinalpakan lang ng VGT sa low-end rpm compared to the 3.0-litre Toyota 1KD-FTV.... At hindi magka-tugma tugma data ng Mitsubishi sa iba't ibang websites.... Needless to say, hindi alam paano i-retoke ng Mitsuboshi ang claim nila para maibenta sa Thailand dahil malakas na malakas ang benta ng Toyota Hilux sir

Klarong-klaro that in reality the 4D56 VGT is NOT making 350 Nm at 1800 rpm, as falsely claimed by Mitsuboshi for the sake of publicity hehe :D ....Heto excerpt sa article ni Mr. Ferman Lao (President of CAGI, co-owner of Speedlab Racing, and technical editor of TopGear Phils.)

"Geeking out, it’s interesting to fathom how the power and torque comes in with the newer and more powerful Variable Geometry Turbo (VGT) equipped 4D56. Comparing data from the dynamometer charts, the newer engine reaches its peak torque at 3,500 rpm INSTEAD of a low 2,000 rpm. Although the two older engines are capable of delivering 250 Nm as early as 1,500 rpm, peak torque is achieved only 500 rpm later and drops off quickly, thereby making acceleration and throttle response suffer - a common complaint amongst older Montero Sport owners. Also, the VGT-equipped 4D56 produces 250 Nm of torque as low as 1,800 rpm giving it a much broader rpm range...."

Mitsubishi Montero Sport GTV: The Hiroshi Masuoka Challenge

Actually mmpc lang naman ang naglabas ng maling graph, all mitsus abroad that have the same engine released the same graph. Hindi lang marunong gumawa ng graph yung webteam ng mmpc, hehe.At klarong klaro rin sir ang sinabi ko na sa rektahan, sa monty na ang edge, at low rpm mas torqy and ibigay ko sa fort. Nasa data naman lahat sir, kaya , imo, balikatan lang, and to think na it's just a 2.5 liter engine. Kaya nga sana the next all new body na fort, smaller displacement with higher output torque and power, mas matipid pa din syempre sa consumption yun

[chowderman]

NOPE, mababa lang torque rating ng Mitsu 4D56 na sinalpakan lang ng VGT sa low-end rpm compared to the 3.0-litre Toyota 1KD-FTV.... At hindi magka-tugma tugma data ng Mitsubishi sa iba't ibang websites.... Needless to say, hindi alam paano i-retoke ng Mitsuboshi ang claim nila para maibenta sa Thailand dahil malakas na malakas ang benta ng Toyota Hilux sir

Klarong-klaro that in reality the 4D56 VGT is NOT making 350 Nm at 1800 rpm, as falsely claimed by Mitsuboshi for the sake of publicity hehe :D ....Heto excerpt sa article ni Mr. Ferman Lao (President of CAGI, co-owner of Speedlab Racing, and technical editor of TopGear Phils.)

"Geeking out, it’s interesting to fathom how the power and torque comes in with the newer and more powerful Variable Geometry Turbo (VGT) equipped 4D56. Comparing data from the dynamometer charts, the newer engine reaches its peak torque at 3,500 rpm INSTEAD of a low 2,000 rpm. Although the two older engines are capable of delivering 250 Nm as early as 1,500 rpm, peak torque is achieved only 500 rpm later and drops off quickly, thereby making acceleration and throttle response suffer - a common complaint amongst older Montero Sport owners. Also, the VGT-equipped 4D56 produces 250 Nm of torque as low as 1,800 rpm giving it a much broader rpm range...."

Mitsubishi Montero Sport GTV: The Hiroshi Masuoka Challenge

Correct me if i'm wrong but this is a comparison between the 4M41 versus the 4D56 VGT, isn't it? It doesn't mention any detail of the discrepancies of the 4D56 VGT engine.

Can you please re-read the article before posting, it may confuse most people.

Also:
Drag race: Mitsubishi Strada vs. Nissan Navara - News | TopGear.com.ph

Enough said.

[niky]

Well that's your opinion sir, but as far as mitsu/toyota specs and manual is concern,balikatan lang ang 3.0vnt fort and 2.5vgt ng monty. Oops ot na, sensya na. Is the new fort pala with sports mode na din?TIA

No sports mode. No Five-speed.

Hehe... Umabot ba dito yung debate about power?

Whatever the manufacturers claim in regards to power, iba na yung usapan in real life.

They base power claims on ideal conditions and sometimes one pre-production units.

The problem is, when it comes to the Philippines and most tropical countries, the tuning has to change to take into account local weather and fuel conditions.

Believe what you want to believe from manufacturer's claims, but those of us who've driven the Mitsubishi 3.2 back-to-back with the Ford 3.0 and the Toyota 3.0 will tell you... the Mitsubishi engine is weaker. We've seen this on the road, we've seen this on the dyno. The Toyota seems the most powerful, followed by the Ford (the Ford has the advantage of a five-speed box), though the Ford's low-end torque is truly monstrous.

If you really want to compare... take it to the dragstrip and let the engines do the talking. I have no doubt that in a straight race, with no extra passengers, the 2.5 VGT Montero Sport will be quick... but the 3.0s will beat it in everyday flexibility and pulling power, while still giving similar dragstrip performance.

[zix888]

No sports mode. No Five-speed.

Hehe... Umabot ba dito yung debate about power?

Whatever the manufacturers claim in regards to power, iba na yung usapan in real life.

They base power claims on ideal conditions and sometimes one pre-production units.

The problem is, when it comes to the Philippines and most tropical countries, the tuning has to change to take into account local weather and fuel conditions.

Believe what you want to believe from manufacturer's claims, but those of us who've driven the Mitsubishi 3.2 back-to-back with the Ford 3.0 and the Toyota 3.0 will tell you... the Mitsubishi engine is weaker. We've seen this on the road, we've seen this on the dyno. The Toyota seems the most powerful, followed by the Ford (the Ford has the advantage of a five-speed box), though the Ford's low-end torque is truly monstrous.

If you really want to compare... take it to the dragstrip and let the engines do the talking. I have no doubt that in a straight race, with no extra passengers, the 2.5 VGT Montero Sport will be quick... but the 3.0s will beat it in everyday flexibility and pulling power, while still giving similar dragstrip performance.

Yan talaga ang tama sir, saludo ko dyan, very well said.

[hinDMaxsiado]

....The Toyota seems the most powerful, followed by the Ford (the Ford has the advantage of a five-speed box), though the Ford's low-end torque is truly monstrous....

If you really want to compare... take it to the dragstrip and let the engines do the talking.... I have no doubt that in a straight race, with no extra passengers, the 2.5 VGT Montero Sport will be quick... but the 3.0s will beat it in everyday flexibility and pulling power, while still giving similar dragstrip performance.

Tama sir Niky and thanks for sharing your take on the matter!

The Toyota 3.0-litre Hilux D4-D is definitely better and is way flexible than the Mitsu 2.5-litre 4D56 VGT, and would take it any which way sir against any Japanese 2.5-litre diesel UTE ....All these Jap-made 2.5-litre diesels, even those with VGT's, are anemic down-low, not to mention the Navara.

Sa pahirapan (kargahan at akyatan) mas matipid pa mga 3.0-litre diesels than the 2.5-litre because of their responsive low-rpm torque and its distribution throught the powerband.... Besides, seeing how the power and torque paper-specs of the Toyota seemingly to jive more closely, or even better in actual, concludes only one thing ---- that Toyota is a reputable company.

Also, the gearing specs of the auto-tranny 3.0-litre Fortuner D4-D is even better than the 5-speed auto-tranny of the 2.5-litre Monterosport GTV hehehehe.... With similar tires of 265/65/R17, the 3.0-litre Fortuner has a 4th-gear ratio of 0.705 and a final-gear of 3.727. The Monty GTV, on the other hand, has a 5th-gear ratio of 0.731 and a final of 3.917. Obviously the Montysport GTV is SLOWER than the Fortuner sir ....
....As an example at a low rev of 1500 rpm, the 3.0-litre Fortuner is running 83.1 kph while then Monty GTV only 76.2 kph based on the specs....

Basically sir, hinding-hindi sila balikatan as one gentleman here keeps on believing to himself hehe....


Honestly, if there's only one thing that Mitsu is better than Toyota in the pickup truck/ utility segment, it's only about publicity

[zix888]

Hehe, ot na tyo. Anyone can confirm if the new fort with 5 speed tranny already?