Hyundai CRDI engine against Toyota D-4D

[epic]

Hope you guys can help me decide which diesel engine is better in performance, fuel economy, etc..

Since Common Rail Diesel ENgine are quite new, Am having second thoughts which to buy the Toyota Innova or Hyundai Starex, if we are to base on engine only for the meantime...

Thanks for any inputs...

WBR,

[cyberdoc95]

[SIZE=2]Hey Epic,
From what I gathered on threads before, CRDI engines used by HYUNDAI are second-generation while that of TOYOTA is already fourth-generation. Don't ask me who's using third-generation.he he he. I'm still looking for that thread. But to give a little info about it, the D-4D used by TOYOTA on their new line of diesel-powered vehicles compared to the HYUNDAI's CRDI are said to have more torque, more fuel-efficient, has less vibration and devoids the problem of using the quality of diesel that is currently available in the Philippines.

Basically, those are the main advantage of TOYOTA's D-4D over Hyundai's CRDI from what I read through the threads. Other members can explain the technical details.

Ciao![/SIZE]

[mazdamazda]

comparing the engines with the same displacement (2.5L), Hyundai wins hands down in terms of power & torque (145 hp & 360Nm torque versus 102 hp & 200Nm torque).

[yebo]

lean burn yata kasi ang toyota engine. so kahit na same crdi type injection and same engine displacement, they don't have similar performances. the toyota engine sacrificed power and torque for better emmission control. so if you want power and torque, go for the more powerful hyundai. if you want to save the earth, go for the lean burning toyota.

[BlueBimmer]

my guess is maybe mas reliable toyota engine, so i pick the D-4D

[altec]

sabi ng toyota friend ko their 2.5 crdi is turbo only, while the hyundai/kia sorrento 2.5 crdi is intercooler turbo, that accounts for the power discrepancy. In the same breath, toyota's crdi achieves the hp and torque at a very low rpm setting, as compared with the hyundai's crdi.

[mazdamazda]

In the same breath, toyota's crdi achieves the hp and torque at a very low rpm setting, as compared with the hyundai's crdi.

hyundai starex:
145 bhp * 3800 rpm
360 Nm torque * 2000 rpm

toyota hi-lux 4x2:
102 bhp * 3600 rpm
340 Nm torque * 1400-3400 rpm

[epic]

Thanks for the ideas people... But does the figure in their brochure for the specs that reliable?? kasi might be over rated ang data nila on the brochure...o kaya minsan may typo error...

Anyway my conclusion is mas OK cguro ang Innova sa Starex cause as somebody mentioned mas maganda ang burn ng fuel nito so in the long run, you can save in your fuel expenses.. Nowadays it's important that the engine MUST BE fuel efficient kasi our fuel SURELY WILL NOT go back the less than 20 pesos per liter as was 2 years ago... sobra sobra na kita ng mga oil companines natin dito sa pinas...tsk. tsk. tsk.

WBR, ;)

[paj4x4]

I'd for the Innova over the Starex for the ff. reasons:
1. As pointed out by Cyberdoc95, the engine of the Innova uses the latest CRDI technology. Very quiet and delivers more power at a lower rpm. The new injection system should eliminate the concern on poor quality of diesel in our country.
2. Overall Toyota reliability
3. Higher resale value

[rodski]

Another thing to consider is the curb weight of the cars. If the starex has higher hp output but is more heavier than the innova, then in terms of performance mukhang at par or exceed ang innova.

Since turbo na yung toyota CRDI I think puwede rin mag install ng intercooler to further boost power output.

[carlove]

A better comparison will be Isuzu's supercommonrail diesel engine versus Toyota's D4D engine. Isuzu's MU-7 vehicle with supercommonrail engine might be introduce in the Philippines this year.

Hyundai especially Kia sucks.

[mazdamazda]

Hyundai especially Kia sucks.

huh?

[Esnie.com]

huh?

plus 1 HUH???

[squala]

Hyundai especially Kia sucks.

Don't be so sure. They may not be quite Japanese yet but they're on their way there and fast. Right now they're just a tad behind Toyota and Honda. A few years more, they might be even better than the other Japs.

[apexi_66]

A better comparison will be Isuzu's supercommonrail diesel engine versus Toyota's D4D engine. Isuzu's MU-7 vehicle with supercommonrail engine might be introduce in the Philippines this year.

Hyundai especially Kia sucks.

Huwag kang umasa sa supercommonrail that it will be sold sa pinas. Malabo yan kasi patapos na sabi mong "this year".Di nga mabenta yong Alterra ng isuzu na mas mura. What more supercommonrail na yan which I'm sure the price will be ga langit . Yang mga D4D o supercommonrail na yan mga papogi lang yan. Saka mga japanese, nangcocopy lang yan noon before they become technologically advanced. Koreans initially are the same but they are improving fast. Few more years and they will be at par with the japanese especially in electronics. Their engines are getting better too with the collaboration of european and american engineers. Saka most of their CRD engine components on their Hyundai and Sorento cars are supplied by Bosch maski check mo. Incase you don't know yet, Bosch company pioneered the CRD technology that most cars are using now. Saka KIA has improved a lot with their design and technology and it was tested just last August by the "around the world" expedition of one swedish guy using stock Sorento. Take note ha, stock Sorento without any modification made to the car.

[isketi]

Huwag kang umasa sa supercommonrail that it will be sold sa pinas. Malabo yan kasi patapos na sabi mong "this year".Di nga mabenta yong Alterra ng isuzu na mas mura. What more supercommonrail na yan which I'm sure the price will be ga langit...

Hmm... Akala ko supercommonrail na yung I-TEQ engine ng Alterra.

[apexi_66]

Hmm... Akala ko supercommonrail na yung I-TEQ engine ng Alterra.

Hindi dre. Iba pa sya pero I-TEQ engine ng Alterra is good. Di tulad ng unang ISUZU engines na maingay dahil sa chain gamit nila as timing drive instead of V-belt.

[Kamala]

Hindi dre. Iba pa sya pero I-TEQ engine ng Alterra is good. Di tulad ng unang ISUZU engines na maingay dahil sa chain gamit nila as timing drive instead of V-belt.

Bro, pareho lang yung engine na ginagamit ng Thailand version ng Alterra dito sa Pinas. MU-7 and Alterra I-TEQ engine specs pareho.

Yung advertisement dun sa Thailand, kaya daw Super Commonrail, dahil ito raw yung may pinakamataas na pressure (180 megapascal) sa loob ng commonrail.

Timing gear at timing chain and ginagamit ng Alterra, nakakapagtaka lang dahil di na gaanong maingay. Siguro, saksakan ng daming sound deadeners and kinabit kaya ganun.

Kaka test drive lang namin nung weekend sa Tagaytay, nag sponsor ang Isuzu sa K-Lite 103.5.

[jaeger]

this thread was started back in Feb.2005 when we didn't have much "actual" user experience yet. Now, it's almost the end of the year and checking out the other threads here at tsikot, you can conclude that Toyotas D4D has its own weakness - main supply pump failure (an average of maybe 12 per dealership?) and one guy even had his Innova's entire CRDI system replaced. I have yet to hear of a Sorrento who's CRDI system has failed . . . . now talk about legendary Toyota reliability.

I got an Innova D4D last May since I was out-voted by my Toyota loyalist family against getting a Sorrento. I just cross my fingers that I don't suffer the same fate with my D4D.

[ILuvDetailing]

How about the CRDi engine of Kia Sorento? Does it have problems with the Diesel fuel here? Baka maselan.