2016 innova cross ( Toyota innova kajang) new

[shibby75]

Parang anliit lang ng "hundred thousands more"

I got a G vvti manual and will only get that new model if its got a VNT or a 2.4 dual vvti engine.
And only if price difference is within a "hundred thousand only".

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Parang anliit lang ng "hundred thousands more"

I got a G vvti manual and will only get that new model if its got a VNT or a 2.4 dual vvti engine.
And only if price difference is within a "hundred thousand only".

[Syuryuken]

This comment i.e. "add a bit more...." , which is kinda usual here really puzzles me. Maybe because I'm not rich.
What I mean is it is not easy to "add some hundred thousand bucks more".
If it is that easy, I assume most Innova owners would have bought a Fortuner or a Montero or even Trailblazer.

We have an Innova G but Honestly I explored getting a Montero instead. But stretching the budget even by "just a hundred thousand" is not easy. The math tells it all.

yan ang nakakabwisit kahit sinabi na ng tao na "max budget" sasagutin pa ng "add a bit more" hirap kayang kitain yung "more" na yun

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This comment i.e. "add a bit more...." , which is kinda usual here really puzzles me. Maybe because I'm not rich.
What I mean is it is not easy to "add some hundred thousand bucks more".
If it is that easy, I assume most Innova owners would have bought a Fortuner or a Montero or even Trailblazer.

We have an Innova G but Honestly I explored getting a Montero instead. But stretching the budget even by "just a hundred thousand" is not easy. The math tells it all.

yan ang nakakabwisit kahit sinabi na ng tao na "max budget" sasagutin pa ng "add a bit more" hirap kayang kitain yung "more" na yun

[Lew_Alcindor]

yan ang nakakabwisit kahit sinabi na ng tao na "max budget" sasagutin pa ng "add a bit more" hirap kayang kitain yung "more" na yun

Sabi ko inyo wag niyong bubwisitin si syuryuken eh hehehe

pero seryoso, sa mga Innova owners especially yung naka G or V variant, sino ba ang mag-stick sa Innova kug meron pa tayong "a hundred thousand more" to spare? Siguro karamihan kukuha ng ng entry level SUV like Montero or Fortuner kung may extra budget di ba?

My point is it is useless to compare Innova G or V (high end variant) even to an entry level variant of an SUV simply because the price difference is significant to Innova buyers. Hindi yan barya lang.

[crave]

Sabi ko inyo wag niyong bubwisitin si syuryuken eh hehehe

pero seryoso, sa mga Innova owners especially yung naka G or V variant, sino ba ang mag-stick sa Innova kug meron pa tayong "a hundred thousand more" to spare? Siguro karamihan kukuha ng ng entry level SUV like Montero or Fortuner kung may extra budget di ba?

My point is it is useless to compare Innova G or V (high end variant) even to an entry level variant of an SUV simply because the price difference is significant to Innova buyers. Hindi yan barya lang.

We have a 2012 Innova G D4-D M/T with 65k mileage and we used to have a 2009 Monty GLS 4x2 A/T (Non-VNT). I love our Monty before pero hinding hindi ko ipagpapalit ang Innova G over the Monty GLX (or even to our old Monty) when it comes to riding comfort. Sobrang sikip at nakakahilo umupo sa 3rd row ng Monty unlike sa Innova. At that price point (1.2-1.3M), sobrang bare ng Monty GLX (e.g. no steering wheel controls, not auto climate, etc.). i will only get a Monty over an Innova if it is GLS-V and above variant.

[jut703]

Sabi ko inyo wag niyong bubwisitin si syuryuken eh hehehe

pero seryoso, sa mga Innova owners especially yung naka G or V variant, sino ba ang mag-stick sa Innova kug meron pa tayong "a hundred thousand more" to spare? Siguro karamihan kukuha ng ng entry level SUV like Montero or Fortuner kung may extra budget di ba?

My point is it is useless to compare Innova G or V (high end variant) even to an entry level variant of an SUV simply because the price difference is significant to Innova buyers. Hindi yan barya lang.

Hindi. Marami akong kakilala na kumuha ng Innova G kahit may pambili naman ng Fortuner or Montero. Again, the point of the Innova is that it's a people carrier with 3 useable rows of seats. Anyone who thinks the Montero's 3rd row is useful for long rides is either delusional or under 5 feet tall with a BMI less than 20.

You're still pushing for the argument that Montero (or any SUV for that matter) > Innova. Not everyone thinks like that. There are people who think SUVs are better all rounders (me included), but there are people who need family cars and the Innova is a better family car and people carrier than the SUVs. Not only is it cheaper (hence more practical), it's also more comfortable for passengers and easier to get in and out of.

[dr. d]

This comment i.e. "add a bit more...." , which is kinda usual here really puzzles me. Maybe because I'm not rich.
What I mean is it is not easy to "add some hundred thousand bucks more".
If it is that easy, I assume most Innova owners would have bought a Fortuner or a Montero or even Trailblazer.

We have an Innova G but Honestly I explored getting a Montero instead. But stretching the budget even by "just a hundred thousand" is not easy. The math tells it all.

it's easy to "add a bit more" if we ain't the ones a'buyin'..
but then again, we do not know of the financial status of the potential buyer.. malay nyo...

so, does anybody know how much this new model will sell for?

[GTcervan]

Innova fanboys?? Hayss...

Of course, the Innova is more modern than any Adventure or Crosswind out there but I just pointed out that the upper diesel G and V variants have prices that are closer to the entry level MS GLX, which is already an SUV, of course. IMHO, only the J and E variants have the right pricing.

The Innova is a family car, being an MPV but like I said, Toyota should make it more refined if they're going to release a new one.

[dr. d]

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Innova fanboys?? Hayss...

Of course, the Innova is more modern than any Adventure or Crosswind out there but I just pointed out that the upper diesel G and V variants have prices that are closer to the entry level MS GLX, which is already an SUV, of course. IMHO, only the J and E variants have the right pricing.

The Innova is a family car, being an MPV but like I said, Toyota should make it more refined if they're going to release a new one.

present, sir! and there's a dozen more outside..
rah! rah! rah! 'nova! 'nova! rah! rah! rah!
when i first tried it out in 2005, i congratulated myself for getting one.. for the first time, i had no complaints! it did what i wanted it to do..
yes, it is old.. but until another, better model comes along, i'll stay with 'er and keep on recommending 'er..

[jut703]

Innova fanboys?? Hayss...

Of course, the Innova is more modern than any Adventure or Crosswind out there but I just pointed out that the upper diesel G and V variants have prices that are closer to the entry level MS GLX, which is already an SUV, of course. IMHO, only the J and E variants have the right pricing.

The Innova is a family car, being an MPV but like I said, Toyota should make it more refined if they're going to release a new one.

Like what has been said above, you're missing the point. People buying Innovas actually want MPVs. If they wanted an SUV, they'd have gotten an SUV - the market is flooded with lots of options.

An Innova is more comfortable than the Montero. This is particularly evident in the 3rd row, where the Innova can actually house 2 adults in relative comfort for a 2 hour drive, whereas it'd have a been back-breaking ride in Montero.

Also, unlike the Montero, the Innova doesn't have a floaty and nausea-inducing ride that lunges forward under braking and backward during acceleration. Both have softer suspensions versus other pickup-based SUVs, but the Innova has the advantage of a lower center of gravity which equates to better riding comfort.

Another benefit of the lower ride height is much easier ingress and egress. This alone makes the Innova the clear winner for those with elderly passengers.

And what was that you were saying about the Innova needing the VNT engine? For what? The Innova's engine is well-tuned for its intended purpose - a people-carrier. It has enough torque that even with 8 people plus cargo on board, it doesn't feel burdened. Of course it only tops out at 150 kph, but again, asking for more is totally missing the point. What you need for a people carrier is a torquey engine that's durable and efficient, which is what the current non-VNT engine is. Adding the VNT just adds to the cost, without any real benefit for the majority of buyers. Heck, even for the Montero, the non-VGT outsells the VGT because few people wanna pay for that power which is totally useless in city driving. Oh, and in terms of flood fording capability, both the Innova and Montero just have 500mm wading depths, unlike the Fortuner's 700mm or Trailblazer's 800mm.

In the end, while the Montero looks better, has more presence, and more cargo space, the Innova is still the better family car and people carrier.

[GTcervan]

^Btw, no one's asking how special your bigtime MPV is, sir, if that's what you're thinking...

It's still an MPV and I'm sure that you're pretty much aware that it's in the market for already a decade and therefore, a new model should follow soon.

No need for you to brag about it here anymore just because you could say that you're one proud owner of the said car. Just sayin'.

Now, let's just get BTT.

[joemarski]

Guys check this out latest leaked from Toyota thailand. Paultan.org/2015/02/26/Toyota innova-leaked-2016/

di hamak namang mas guwapo ito kesa sa current innova.
dalhin na sa 'pinas 'yan! :thumbup:

[RomeoAlpha]

If we are fanboy, would that make you a hater?

I like an innova and olanning to get one soon either a good 2nd hand deal or through financing.

I am a fanboy, thats why i have a vtec kick in yo!

[GTcervan]

Like what has been said above, you're missing the point. People buying Innovas actually want MPVs. If they wanted an SUV, they'd have gotten an SUV - the market is flooded with lots of options.

An Innova is more comfortable than the Montero. This is particularly evident in the 3rd row, where the Innova can actually house 2 adults in relative comfort for a 2 hour drive, whereas it'd have a been back-breaking ride in Montero.

Also, unlike the Montero, the Innova doesn't have a floaty and nausea-inducing ride that lunges forward under braking and backward during acceleration. Both have softer suspensions versus other pickup-based SUVs, but the Innova has the advantage of a lower center of gravity which equates to better riding comfort.

Another benefit of the lower ride height is much easier ingress and egress. This alone makes the Innova the clear winner for those with elderly passengers.

And what was that you were saying about the Innova needing the VNT engine? For what? The Innova's engine is well-tuned for its intended purpose - a people-carrier. It has enough torque that even with 8 people plus cargo on board, it doesn't feel burdened. Of course it only tops out at 150 kph, but again, asking for more is totally missing the point. What you need for a people carrier is a torquey engine that's durable and efficient, which is what the current non-VNT engine is. Adding the VNT just adds to the cost, without any real benefit for the majority of buyers. Heck, even for the Montero, the non-VGT outsells the VGT because few people wanna pay for that power which is totally useless in city driving. Oh, and in terms of flood fording capability, both the Innova and Montero just have 500mm wading depths, unlike the Fortuner's 700mm or Trailblazer's 800mm.

In the end, while the Montero looks better, has more presence, and more cargo space, the Innova is still the better family car and people carrier.

Well, Toyota could equip the diesel Innova with the VNT, but...yeah. I guess many people say that the diesel is just adequate for the MPV since the Innova has a rather light body. If Toyota will not add VNT, then they should at least slap it with an intercooler because maybe it's the reason why the engine starts crying at speeds more than 100kph and the fact that you could feel some harsh vibrations whenever it's cruising at the said speed. Just my observation as a passenger of an Innova before.

The diesel G and V variants have pricings that start at P1.1m and it's already close to an entry-level MS GLX MT, so that's why they're quite comparable, I would say, though they really have different purposes. But the J and E variants have proper pricing, IMHO.

I just wonder if the prices for the all-new Innova will be higher than what the current one offers right now.

[jut703]

Well, Toyota could equip the diesel Innova with the VNT, but...yeah. I guess many people say that the diesel is just adequate for the MPV since the Innova has a rather light body. If Toyota will not add VNT, then they should at least slap it with an intercooler because maybe it's the reason why the engine starts crying at speeds more than 100kph and the fact that you could feel some harsh vibrations whenever it's cruising at the said speed. Just my observation as a passenger of an Innova before.

The diesel G and V variants have pricings that start at P1.1m and it's already close to an entry-level MS GLX MT, so that's why they're quite comparable, I would say, though they really have different purposes. But the J and E variants have proper pricing, IMHO.

I just wonder if the prices for the all-new Innova will be higher than what the current one offers right now.

I've driven the Innova both on highways and twisty mountain roads. Power is sufficient for reasonable highway cruising at 100-120 kph. Adding a VNT won't reduce the harshness - it's still basically the same engine with more power. But like I said earlier, it'll be an unnecessary expense for the majority of Innova buyers.

You keep comparing the Innova G/V to the MS GLX MT. Do you actually think that people buying TOTL AT Innovas would want to drive a stickshift entry-level SUV? The AT MS GLX is a more apt variant to compare, and that's still 140k more than the Innova G AT. Mitsubishi has been very successful in shifting away buyers who want a big versatile car and occasional 7-seater from the Innova to the MS. But again, that's not the point of the Innova. And if we look at total Innova + Fortuner sales, it still has a comfortable lead vs Montero + Adventure + Fuzion sales.

Pricing across the entire Innova range seems sensible to me, though personally the V is a bit too much since its additional features aren't attractive:

J (887k) - ABS, EBD, manual everything
E (997k/1.042M) - power windows and door locks, 4 speakers with USB input, alloy rims, color-keyed exterior bits, rear wiper, silver bits on the interior, fabric seats, vertical seat adjustment, seatbelt reminder
G (1.113M/1.178M) - revised rims, 6 speakers, leather steering wheel with audio controls, automatic climate control, MID, power door mirrors, revised fabric seats, color-keyed and chrome exterior bits, wood grain trim, rear armrest, fog lamps, parking sensors, 3rd brake lamp, additional 12V outlet, keyless entry/alarm
V (1.261M) - leather seats, captain chairs, more chrome exterior bits, bluetooth HU

Each Innova variant has incremental features that justify the price difference, and it's up to the buyer to choose which features they're willing to pay for.

[GTcervan]

I've driven the Innova both on highways and twisty mountain roads. Power is sufficient for reasonable highway cruising at 100-120 kph. Adding a VNT won't reduce the harshness - it's still basically the same engine with more power. But like I said earlier, it'll be an unnecessary expense for the majority of Innova buyers.

You keep comparing the Innova G/V to the MS GLX MT. Do you actually think that people buying TOTL AT Innovas would want to drive a stickshift entry-level SUV? The AT MS GLX is a more apt variant to compare, and that's still 140k more than the Innova G AT. Mitsubishi has been very successful in shifting away buyers who want a big versatile car and occasional 7-seater from the Innova to the MS. But again, that's not the point of the Innova. And if we look at total Innova + Fortuner sales, it still has a comfortable lead vs Montero + Adventure + Fuzion sales.

Pricing across the entire Innova range seems sensible to me, though personally the V is a bit too much since its additional features aren't attractive:

J (887k) - ABS, EBD, manual everything
E (997k/1.042M) - power windows and door locks, 4 speakers with USB input, alloy rims, color-keyed exterior bits, rear wiper, silver bits on the interior, fabric seats, vertical seat adjustment, seatbelt reminder
G (1.113M/1.178M) - revised rims, 6 speakers, leather steering wheel with audio controls, automatic climate control, MID, power door mirrors, revised fabric seats, color-keyed and chrome exterior bits, wood grain trim, rear armrest, fog lamps, parking sensors, 3rd brake lamp, additional 12V outlet, keyless entry/alarm
V (1.261M) - leather seats, captain chairs, more chrome exterior bits, bluetooth HU

Each Innova variant has incremental features that justify the price difference, and it's up to the buyer to choose which features they're willing to pay for.

I forgot about the GLX MS AT, but I think many Mitsu dealers are offering it with lots of discounts, if I'm not mistaken, to make it's price below P1.3m. Kaya some buyers that are eyeing for the G/V variants could consider it, depending on their budget and needs.

Anyways, about the Innova variants, it's the only one in the Toyota lineup here to be offered with complete J, E, G, & V variants from TMP and that it also has both gasoline and diesel engines, with the J variants having MT, E & G variants having both MT & AT and last but not the least, the V variants having AT. The variants to choose from also contributes to why it is the best-selling MPV ever since it was released here a decade ago. Neither the Adventure nor the Crosswind currently offer as many variants as that. Yun lang.

Btw, sorry for the question. Does the 2.5L D4D possess a timing belt or a timing chain/gear? Thanks in advance.

[dr. d]

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Btw, sorry for the question. Does the 2.5L D4D possess a timing belt or a timing chain/gear? Thanks in advance.

alas, the innova's 2.5 D4D has timing belt, not chain.

[Challenger75]

Interior of 2015/16 Innova. Credits to our Indian friends at team-bhp.com

[Challenger75]

The Innova as it is, is pretty spot on. You get adequate power, loads of space and comfort and great fuel economy for the price of a compact sedan. I have no doubts the next gen will improve on all aspects. Saw a spyshot of the interior and gotta say it looks pretty impressive.

I don't see the point bringing up the Montero in an Innova thread, the topic's been beaten to death, give it up already.

[archcos555]

Wag nio namang laitin ung current gen ng innova, makalait kayo eh noh. Kung may old gen kayo enjoyin nio nalang yan at kung napapangitan kayo sa new gen wag nio ipagmalaki na mas maganda ung old gen nio. Para lng kayong tanga!!! Eh kung sabihin ko sainyo mas mukang plain ung innova nio matutuwa kayo??? Keep it with urself. Kung nagagandahan kayo sa leak ng 2016 patunayan nio bilhin nio agad at I post ang pic. Bsta para sakin nagagandahan ako sa current gen. And couple of the old gen...

[Challenger75]

Daf*q did I just read? Relax ka lang. Di porket nagagandahan kami sa spyshot ng bago eh kailangan na agad agad bilhin sheesh.