2012 Fortuner and Hilux officially launched at NBC Tent

[Tj_abs]

Hello tsikoteers! Im new here. Can i butt in? Actually manufacturers are not accurate when it comes to specs and data. Wala kasi agency or machines to check kung tama specs unless u will pay for it like in berrima and speedlab. They have dyno test. IMOH monty 2.5 is mas mabilis compare sa 2.5 fortuner. We have fortuner 2.5 matic and 2.5 monty matic. =)

[niky]

Hello tsikoteers! Im new here. Can i butt in? Actually manufacturers are not accurate when it comes to specs and data. Wala kasi agency or machines to check kung tama specs unless u will pay for it like in berrima and speedlab. They have dyno test. IMOH monty 2.5 is mas mabilis compare sa 2.5 fortuner. We have fortuner 2.5 matic and 2.5 monty matic. =)

There's no doubt about that. Hell, even a pair of donkeys are more powerful than the Fort 2.5. We're comparing the 3.0 Fort to the new 2.5 VGT model.

[Tj_abs]

[QUOTE=niky;1804940]There's no doubt about that. Hell, even a pair of donkeys are more powerful than the Fort 2.5. We're comparing the 3.0 Fort to the new 2.5 VGT ..

Include also the power to weight ratio. I think mas mabigat body ng monty compare sa toyota fortuner. =)

[Zeus]

There's no doubt about that. Hell, even a pair of donkeys are more powerful than the Fort 2.5. We're comparing the 3.0 Fort to the new 2.5 VGT model.

So bro Niky, ano mas ok para sayo? yung bagong 3liters na Fortuner o yung bagong 2.5 Montero GTV?

[arsen]

Hello tsikoteers! Im new here. Can i butt in? Actually manufacturers are not accurate when it comes to specs and data. Wala kasi agency or machines to check kung tama specs unless u will pay for it like in berrima and speedlab. They have dyno test. IMOH monty 2.5 is mas mabilis compare sa 2.5 fortuner. We have fortuner 2.5 matic and 2.5 monty matic. =)

Meron po sir nagcecertify ng accuracy ng specs. SAE (mostly for US, North America at kaalyadong market) at EEC (mostly European and European colony na market).

Just look for those 3 letters and the data MUST be accurate. Otherwise, manufacturer are NOT ALLOWED to use SAE or EEC marking sa kanilang marketing material kung hindi na verify at certified available and attainable ang power at torque curves.

By the way, kung may SAE or EEC marking ganito yan:
A. From brake dyno ang data.
B. Engine with flywheel lang ang nilalagay sa test stand kasama ng vital auxiliaries or yung mga component lang na kung wala ay di gagana ng maayos ang makina (like oil pump, coolant pump, alternator, etc.).
C. Walang aircon freon compressor.
D. Wala rin power steering pump during the test.
E. Bago rin syempre ang battery so not-charging pa ang alternator.

Sa pagtest naman ganito ang basic/common procedure:
1. Nasa operating condition (ambient temp, coolant temp, fuel temp and pressure and etc) at wala muna load ang makina.
2. Then inaadjust ang accelerator/throttle hanggang marating ng makina ang rpm. let say 1500rpm (no load).
3. Once stable na ang rpm sa 1500 saka lang unti-unting nilalagyan ng load hanggang sa gumalaw pababa ang rpm.
4. Dahil bumaba ang rpm, unti-unti dinadagdagan ang adjustment ng accelerator/throttle hanggang bumalik ang rpm ng makina sa 1500rpm (na example natin).
5. Hindi na dinadagdagan ang accelerator/throttle opening once bumalik na ulet sa 1500 ang rpm kasi pag dinagdagan pa maoovercome na nya ang load at tataas/lalampas syempre sa 1500rpm.
6. Sa pamamagitan ng step 1-5, malalaman ang TUNAY na torque ng makina *1500rpm.
7. Saka lang ererecord ang result kapag for at least 1 minute ay constant ang rpm (kapag na maintain ang 1500rpm na example natin na may load na), kapag constant ang temperature at constant ang value ng torque (measured force multiplied by length ng torque arm).

8. Step 1 to 7 ay ginagawa ulet para sa next 100rpm (1600 rpm).

9. Ang test/verification ay natatapos hanggang full na and accelerator or hanggang fully open na ang throttle or kapag umabot na sa limit (redline) ng manufacturer.

10. Pinagdudugtong lang yang readings sa 1500, 1600, 1800 and so on (hanggang sa maximum allowed/rating rpm ng manufacturer) para makagawa ng graph. hehehe

Ngayon parehas na tayo merong knowledge kung paano kinuha/ginagawa ang data ng mga manufacturer. Ang masasabi ko lang ay malabo na maverify yan using chassi dyno (like sa mga ginagamit ng berrima/speedlab). lalo na kung automatic pa ang isasabak sa chassi dyno. Characteristic ng torque converter ng automatic transmission ang mababasa ng chassi dyno.

Pero ang chassi dyno ay good naman to verify kung may improvement nga sa mga tuning or moods na ginawa o kinabit.

So ang maganda hanapin ang SAE or EEC marking para mas makasisigurong TAMA (kung nasa tama ang operating condition) ang data.

[blackknight_66]

interesting inputs lalo na sa speed/rpm issues . thanks also to those who shared pics.

[NovisNoah]

Sa mga naka test drive. compare sa Montero ano mas maganda riding comfort?
Papalitan na kasi ng mom ko yung 2006 na civic ko, montero and fortuner ang pinag pipilian ko ngayon.
Riding comfort and looks ng interior kasi ang tinitignan ko eh(ang babaw ).

Kanina galing na kami sa Mitsubishi, Gusto ko yung interior ng Montero kaso parang hindi ko gusto yung materials na ginamit.... Ok din yung may sariling control ng aircon sa 3rd row ng seat.

[tanskiee]

Sa mga naka test drive. compare sa Montero ano mas maganda riding comfort?
Papalitan na kasi ng mom ko yung 2006 na civic ko, montero and fortuner ang pinag pipilian ko ngayon.
Riding comfort and looks ng interior kasi ang tinitignan ko eh(ang babaw ).

Kanina galing na kami sa Mitsubishi, Gusto ko yung interior ng Montero kaso parang hindi ko gusto yung materials na ginamit.... Ok din yung may sariling control ng aircon sa 3rd row ng seat.

nagpunta din ako sa mitsubishi dealer dito sa amin, kasi rest mode muna yung jazz ko. tininggnan ko yung loob ng monty parang mahinang quality yung interior then maliit yung upuan sa harapan. malaki pa yung sa jazz.. mamaya sa toyota ako titingin..

[niky]

So ang maganda hanapin ang SAE or EEC marking para mas makasisigurong TAMA (kung nasa tama ang operating condition) ang data.

But there is still the problem of market-specific emissions compliance and fuel quality or type... which is why there is now the voluntary SAE J1349 standard which requires a certain fuel type, the proper "operating" oil level and tighter control of temperatures... as under SAE standards, you can still gain 5-15 hp from running lower oil levels or thinner oil and/or running higher octane fuels.

And even then, you can't be sure whether the numbers quoted are for the local car or for other markets, as local dealerships don't actually have the equipment to test engines but rely on estimates from the plant. Sometimes rough estimates, as some engines are detuned for the local market in deference to the quality of the fuel we have here.

Thus... the only really telling number is trap speed in the quarter mile... because you can't fake that.

[arsen]

But there is still the problem of market-specific emissions compliance and fuel quality or type... which is why there is now the voluntary SAE J1349 standard which requires a certain fuel type, the proper "operating" oil level and tighter control of temperatures... as under SAE standards, you can still gain 5-15 hp from running lower oil levels or thinner oil and/or running higher octane fuels.

And even then, you can't be sure whether the numbers quoted are for the local car or for other markets, as local dealerships don't actually have the equipment to test engines but rely on estimates from the plant. Sometimes rough estimates, as some engines are detuned for the local market in deference to the quality of the fuel we have here.

Thus... the only really telling number is trap speed in the quarter mile... because you can't fake that.

Yes
Very much agree

Like I said na rin

"certified available and attainable"
saka mas makasisigurong TAMA (kung nasa tama ang operating condition)

Medyo marami kasi yang operating conditions noh... heheh

[Tj_abs]

Downside of having a diesel engine like 2.5d4d and 2.5 4d56 is maintainance. Kailangan alaga sa change oil otherwise headache. Cost of the Spare parts are much higher compare to gasoline engines. Most of the diesel engines today are very sensitive especially the SCV and EGR( madumi kasi gasoline stations sa atin thats why mabilis masira ito SCV at nag clogged EGR) unlike the old diesel engines, wala sila install na ganitong technology kaya mausok diesel engines. SCV are very costly.

[Tj_abs]

I observed also that both engines (d4d & 4d56)are noisy compare to hyundai diesel engine na mas refined.

[protek]

Any picture sa new hilux and fortuner

[prince777]

Any picture sa new hilux and fortuner

[Tj_abs]

Nice pics you have there. thanks for sharing. bossing, question lang po, nag improve ba ride ng fortuner? how about the suspension of hilux? thanks thanks=)

[zap.FREEDOM]

Any picture sa new hilux and fortuner

you can check this link sir, 2012 Toyota Fortuner: SUV Version of Facelifted HiLux Makes Asian Debut - Carscoop there's a complete shot at different angles, interior and exterior included.

it's like a meduim size LandCruiser 200 with a twist of alphard (lc200 headlights with a alphard grills somethin' like that), even the rear profile, the tailights, lc200 inspired, may essence talaga ng Landcruiser pagtinignan mo, hehehe!!!!

[protek]

Thanks a million zap freedom and prince 77. God bless

[jowel]

Wow...ganda naman ng Fortuner.....sana magkaroon din ako nyan.....

[numbah5]

Feature wise, Montero Sport wins in that department. Acceleration, di muna ako magcocomment as I have not driven the new 3.0 Fort and the GTV Montero Sport yet. Ride, no comment din muna as I have not ridden the new Fort yet. Looks, I only like the new rims. Di ko type yung harap at likod. Mas type ko pa rin yung grille ng GTV Montero Sport.

[zix888]

Parang rear bumper ng innova? Front bumper okay.
*hindmaxsiado, sir professor, pano na nga ba basahin yung lesson ninyo kahapon? Hindi kasi namin maapply sa actual eh, hehe. Dami factors nyan prof, wag puro kwenta sa papel. Buy ka fort, test mo actual then compare sa computation mo, hahaha.