suzuki apv crash test ratings

**badkuk** · November 16th, 2008 07:23 PM

hi peeps,

where can i find data on this? for that matter, where can i find crash test results for SEAsian cars, e.g. avanza, fortuner, kijang, etc?

**niky** · November 17th, 2008 02:14 AM

Unless it's sold in Australia, you can't. If there are crash tests for the Australian/European Hilux, frontal crash safety should be identical to the Fortuner. Montero Sport should be the same as the Strada... and the Everest should be the same as the European Ranger.

The APV likely meets crash requirements for cabforward designs in Japan... it has a crash structure designed with high-tensile strength steel... but those are way less stringent than US or Euro requirements.

The Avanza? Since it's not sold in any market with crash requirements, it's a big unknown. I'd say it's probably a 2-3 star vehicle (with airbags), but due to the low-cost construction, it might even be less.

**meledson** · November 17th, 2008 02:45 AM

Originally Posted by niky

The Avanza? Since it's not sold in any market with crash requirements, it's a big unknown. I'd say it's probably a 2-3 star vehicle (with airbags), but due to the low-cost construction, it might even be less.

OT:

According to the Toyota website, it has a GOA body. What ever that means in crash safetyness.

**weremanok** · November 17th, 2008 09:18 AM

the apv is being sold in australia. can't find the crash test results in the ancap website though...

**niky** · November 17th, 2008 12:53 PM

Yeah, I thought of looking at that, too. Zip, zilch, nada. If anyone can read Japanese, there might be results from there.

Originally Posted by meledson

OT:

According to the Toyota website, it has a GOA body. What ever that means in crash safetyness.

It means they stiffened it to provide a safer crash structure... but unless they've submitted it for testing, that doesn't really mean anything. It's likely it's not as bad in a crash as an Adventure or a Crosswind, but you definitely can't compare it to global products like the Grand Livina or the Carens.

**woohoo** · November 17th, 2008 12:53 PM

From http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m.../ai_n24908500:

The Avanza body is Global Outstanding Assessment (GOA)-certified.
Basically, this means that it satisfies Toyota's GOA crash tests. GOA
crash tests are comparable to the toughest international standards and
even exceed in some areas.

**meledson** · November 17th, 2008 01:07 PM

OT na.

Remember the Revo sa NLEX? Even though a vehicle (IMHO) has a 7 star rating but if you are traveling at about 80 KPH and a bus going in opposite direction is traveling at more than 100 Kph. In a head on collision, I think bale wala ang 7 star.

**niky** · November 17th, 2008 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by woohoo

From http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m.../ai_n24908500:

The Avanza body is Global Outstanding Assessment (GOA)-certified.
Basically, this means that it satisfies Toyota's GOA crash tests. GOA
crash tests are comparable to the toughest international standards and
even exceed in some areas.

Still doesn't mean anything.

Crash tests are not all identical. That's why the move towards EuroNCAP in europe, to standardize the setting. "Comparable" can mean anything... Comparable what? Speeds? Angles? China has crash tests now that are "comparable" to other NCAPs... but it's done at a slower speed. It's just 5 mph less, but that means a whole lot in terms of the kinetic and potential energies involved. A car which passes a 35 mph crash test may flunk a 40 mph one. And that's another point. How do you satisfy a crash test's requirements? What's considered a "pass" on a crash test?

It's really hard to know which assessment to trust... there's C-NCAP, A-NCAP (Australian... because they have some domestic cars not sold elsewhere), IHTSA, NHTSA, etcetera... it would be nice if there was an SAE guideline released to make all crash tests uniform.

Unless the car is submitted for an independently verified crash test by one of the big certification bodies (A-NCAP or EuroNCAP, at least), then we really don't know how it compares to other cars.

**woohoo** · November 17th, 2008 04:38 PM

I completely agree with you, sir niky...

Nag-reply lang ako sa post ni sir meledson, to define GOA.

At gaya nga ng sabi niya, walang kwenta lahat ng crash safetiness ratings na iyan sa mga circumstances like that REVO vs. BUS incident in NLEX. Wala pa sigurong nagce-certify ng crash safetiness at 180KPH collisions... (?)

**mbeige** · November 17th, 2008 04:46 PM

Crash tests are done only for identical vehicle collisions. Against vehicles of a much larger size, you're pretty much on your own, unless the vehicle in question also underwent tests against similar sized offending vehicles (bus, truck, what not).

Also you must consider bumper ride height issues. An APV against a bus or truck isn't a match at all, but might fare better against a passenger sedan. However, again as with all accidents, it all depends on the circumstances. An APV has a much higher roll over rate than a sedan so if you were hit at an angle, you may survive the initial impact but the rollover might render the passengers severely injured (especially if not belted, which is a VERY common occurance there).

Also note that if a vehicle is stiffened, it may not prove to be safe for the passengers. In a collision there are two impacts. First is the vehicle against an object - another vehicle, fixed object, another movable object, etc. Then there is a second impact - your internal organs against the inside of your bodies. These organs can be ripped off from their foundations by the sheer force of the deceleration. So if a vehicle passes a crash test nicely it doesn't mean the passengers will, too. Hence the need for crumple zones, not stiffened bodies in the true sense of the word. It is very hard to engineer a preprogrammed crumple zone to perform the way it should, stiffening the vehicle chassis only makes it hardier, so the passengers receive majority of the deceleration forces.

There was a video of a Smart car hitting a wall at 70mph. It survived, but I'd hate to see what would happen to the passengers on board.