suzuki apv crash test ratings

[badkuk]

hi peeps,


where can i find data on this? for that matter, where can i find crash test results for SEAsian cars, e.g. avanza, fortuner, kijang, etc?

[niky]

Unless it's sold in Australia, you can't. If there are crash tests for the Australian/European Hilux, frontal crash safety should be identical to the Fortuner. Montero Sport should be the same as the Strada... and the Everest should be the same as the European Ranger.

The APV likely meets crash requirements for cabforward designs in Japan... it has a crash structure designed with high-tensile strength steel... but those are way less stringent than US or Euro requirements.

The Avanza? Since it's not sold in any market with crash requirements, it's a big unknown. I'd say it's probably a 2-3 star vehicle (with airbags), but due to the low-cost construction, it might even be less.

[meledson]

The Avanza? Since it's not sold in any market with crash requirements, it's a big unknown. I'd say it's probably a 2-3 star vehicle (with airbags), but due to the low-cost construction, it might even be less.

OT:

According to the Toyota website, it has a GOA body. What ever that means in crash safetyness.

[weremanok]

the apv is being sold in australia. can't find the crash test results in the ancap website though...

[niky]

Yeah, I thought of looking at that, too. Zip, zilch, nada. If anyone can read Japanese, there might be results from there.

OT:

According to the Toyota website, it has a GOA body. What ever that means in crash safetyness.

It means they stiffened it to provide a safer crash structure... but unless they've submitted it for testing, that doesn't really mean anything. It's likely it's not as bad in a crash as an Adventure or a Crosswind, but you definitely can't compare it to global products like the Grand Livina or the Carens.

[woohoo]

From http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m.../ai_n24908500:


The Avanza body is Global Outstanding Assessment (GOA)-certified.
Basically, this means that it satisfies Toyota's GOA crash tests. GOA
crash tests are comparable to the toughest international standards and
even exceed in some areas.

[meledson]

OT na.

Remember the Revo sa NLEX? Even though a vehicle (IMHO) has a 7 star rating but if you are traveling at about 80 KPH and a bus going in opposite direction is traveling at more than 100 Kph. In a head on collision, I think bale wala ang 7 star.

[niky]

From http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m.../ai_n24908500:


The Avanza body is Global Outstanding Assessment (GOA)-certified.
Basically, this means that it satisfies Toyota's GOA crash tests. GOA
crash tests are comparable to the toughest international standards and
even exceed in some areas.

Still doesn't mean anything.

Crash tests are not all identical. That's why the move towards EuroNCAP in europe, to standardize the setting. "Comparable" can mean anything... Comparable what? Speeds? Angles? China has crash tests now that are "comparable" to other NCAPs... but it's done at a slower speed. It's just 5 mph less, but that means a whole lot in terms of the kinetic and potential energies involved. A car which passes a 35 mph crash test may flunk a 40 mph one. And that's another point. How do you satisfy a crash test's requirements? What's considered a "pass" on a crash test?

It's really hard to know which assessment to trust... there's C-NCAP, A-NCAP (Australian... because they have some domestic cars not sold elsewhere), IHTSA, NHTSA, etcetera... it would be nice if there was an SAE guideline released to make all crash tests uniform.

Unless the car is submitted for an independently verified crash test by one of the big certification bodies (A-NCAP or EuroNCAP, at least), then we really don't know how it compares to other cars.

[woohoo]

I completely agree with you, sir niky...

Nag-reply lang ako sa post ni sir meledson, to define GOA.

At gaya nga ng sabi niya, walang kwenta lahat ng crash safetiness ratings na iyan sa mga circumstances like that REVO vs. BUS incident in NLEX. Wala pa sigurong nagce-certify ng crash safetiness at 180KPH collisions... (?)

[mbeige]

Crash tests are done only for identical vehicle collisions. Against vehicles of a much larger size, you're pretty much on your own, unless the vehicle in question also underwent tests against similar sized offending vehicles (bus, truck, what not).

Also you must consider bumper ride height issues. An APV against a bus or truck isn't a match at all, but might fare better against a passenger sedan. However, again as with all accidents, it all depends on the circumstances. An APV has a much higher roll over rate than a sedan so if you were hit at an angle, you may survive the initial impact but the rollover might render the passengers severely injured (especially if not belted, which is a VERY common occurance there).

Also note that if a vehicle is stiffened, it may not prove to be safe for the passengers. In a collision there are two impacts. First is the vehicle against an object - another vehicle, fixed object, another movable object, etc. Then there is a second impact - your internal organs against the inside of your bodies. These organs can be ripped off from their foundations by the sheer force of the deceleration. So if a vehicle passes a crash test nicely it doesn't mean the passengers will, too. Hence the need for crumple zones, not stiffened bodies in the true sense of the word. It is very hard to engineer a preprogrammed crumple zone to perform the way it should, stiffening the vehicle chassis only makes it hardier, so the passengers receive majority of the deceleration forces.

There was a video of a Smart car hitting a wall at 70mph. It survived, but I'd hate to see what would happen to the passengers on board.

[badkuk]

hmm, i always kinda assumed that crash test ratings are a requirement before a car can be sold...at least in the more developed countries...

[j-six]

not sure if this applies to US...people are attracted to crash tests done on any car they want to buy. dito sa atin basta may car na ok na.

[mbeige]

not sure if this applies to US...people are attracted to crash tests done on any car they want to buy. dito sa atin basta may car na ok na.

We constantly drive at speeds over 100kph (62mph) on the freeway. It's a necessity. City driving usually has a speed limit of 40mph (60kph) so that alone merits crash tests, since most of the tests are done at that speed. Residential areas are 25mph zones (40kph) so we can easily stop.

But cars here usually have larger engines with higher power ratings. Civics here typically had 1.8L engines when you guys had 1.6L engines. The European models sold here are the higher end ones while back there it's more of the lower end models (with smaller engines).

Plus, most of the time in crowded cities, almost everybody has to have a car. Long distance commute usually takes so much time so it's not efficient. As you can see, crash tests are an important factor in considering a new car. Problem is, which crash tests can we truly rely on? Not all models sport the safety features found on the cars tested for crash test ratings. You have to take these into consideration as well.

[niky]

That's why I prefer the EuroNCAP tests. The tests describe passenger cabin intrusions by crash structures, which gives you a rough idea of the survivability of the car sans airbags... less intrusion, safer without airbags... given that the ELR on the seatbelts actually work.

[alainroyce]

hi peeps,


where can i find data on this? for that matter, where can i find crash test results for SEAsian cars, e.g. avanza, fortuner, kijang, etc?

Try to look Mitsubishi Maven not SUZUKI APV..


The Mitsubishi Maven is an MPV sold by Mitsubishi Motors in Indonesia since September 15, 2005.[1] It is a rebadged Suzuki APV with minor exterior cosmetic changes, and is built locally by a subsidiary of Suzuki Motor Corporation.
It is available in two trims, GLX and GLS, both with a 1468 cc gasoline four cylinder engine producing 87 PS (86 hp/64 kW) at 5,500 rpm, supplied by Mitsubishi's Indonesian engine production partner, P.T. Mitsubishi Krama Yudha Motors and Manufacturing.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_Maven

[j-six]

aba inaadvertise ang mitsu ha

either way pareho lang naman yung 2 since maven got it from apv. .

question, sinong mas marami, maven or apv?

[OTEP]

APV since the Maven is sold to a specific market only unlike the APV which is sold internationally.

Yes, the APV is sold in Oz but I think it is sold as a commercial vehicle which follow less rigid safety regulations.

[badkuk]

http://www.mynrma.com.au/cps/rde/xch...pv_2007_on.htm