Anu ba ang mas maganda, Electronic or Conventional power steering

[stryke1]

Anu ba mas maganda sa dalawa electronic or conventional power steering, in terms of safety, cost pag nasira, kaya ba ito sa labas if incase wala nang warranty ang unit(electronic).........

[alwayz_yummy]

so far alam ko lang may EPS--electric power steering are the following:

jazz, city, channa benni(gulat kayo noh?), civic FD...


well, advantage nun is instead na hydraulic pump na driven ng makina ang ginagamit, sariling electric motor. kaya theoretically, will not rob engine power(well, halos negligible naman yung robbed power na yun), kasi no load sa engine.

well, speed sensitive na talaga mga yun, featherlight at stand still, rock-hard at high speed.

now if the ford focus TDCi/ hyundai getz/accent ay EPS din, mas masaya yun... A/C nalang ang engine load hehehe

kung sa maintenance, well, mas malinis yun kasi no more fluids to maintain. pero if pinaglaruan, prone sa overheat yung motor, mararambaman mo biglang bibigat..pero kung normal use, di naman iinit yung motor nun.


me, well, gusto ko din EPS, pero if only yung steering rack set up is above, like sa gen2 crv... malayo sa tubig baha..

kung may alam ka nagcoconvert to EPS, let me know, papalit ako ng rack kasi sa maxima ko..kung wala, then conventional way parin hehehe

[stryke1]

so far alam ko lang may EPS--electric power steering are the following:

jazz, city, channa benni(gulat kayo noh?), civic FD...


well, advantage nun is instead na hydraulic pump na driven ng makina ang ginagamit, sariling electric motor. kaya theoretically, will not rob engine power(well, halos negligible naman yung robbed power na yun), kasi no load sa engine.

well, speed sensitive na talaga mga yun, featherlight at stand still, rock-hard at high speed.

now if the ford focus TDCi/ hyundai getz/accent ay EPS din, mas masaya yun... A/C nalang ang engine load hehehe

kung sa maintenance, well, mas malinis yun kasi no more fluids to maintain. pero if pinaglaruan, prone sa overheat yung motor, mararambaman mo biglang bibigat..pero kung normal use, di naman iinit yung motor nun.


me, well, gusto ko din EPS, pero if only yung steering rack set up is above, like sa gen2 crv... malayo sa tubig baha..

kung may alam ka nagcoconvert to EPS, let me know, papalit ako ng rack kasi sa maxima ko..kung wala, then conventional way parin hehehe

I thing to convert into EPS is consider an upgrade, mahirap yata yon, pero pa-anu kung patay ang engine gaga pa ba kaya yon, hindi ko na actual ang mga yon gusto ko lang mag ka idea sa EPS...for now bago ako pumunta doon

[rion]

the new vios is EPS rin daw.

if you can convert to EPS, why not? it's the real thing. unlike those gadgets claiming increase of power and mileage na peke naman. kahit kunting load lang ang power steering, it's still would help. notice when you steer too much, you would notice a few drop of RPM. specialy on old rides.

If I could convert my ride to EPS, Heck I would....

[mbeige]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_steering

[rion]

after reading in wiki, let me rephrase what I just have said.

If I could convert my ride to EPS FOR FREE, Heck I would....

no hyrdaulics? motor is hooked directly to either the steering gear or steering column? talo pa RHD to LHD convertion.

that's a lot of work and cost for 1MPG or less than 500 meters per liter increase mileage.

would rather prefer electric aircon convertion kung myroon. hehe...

[spyghost]

is this the drive by wire?

[alwayz_yummy]

spy - nope iba pa yun

[[archie]]

may question lang po ako sa EPS... if its rock hard sa high speeds, paano if you need to turn quickly to avoid something or someone sa road? would it be a pain to steer?

[Radical!]

I've only tried the electric power steering of the Jazz. Perhaps it's the technology or the tuning but the Jazz' electric power steering has no feedback to the driver on the highway. Best way to describe it is, it's like the old "night driver" arcade game (for those of you who are old enough to play that game ). But when maneuvering in tight spaces like a parking lot, the electric power steering is very effective

[alwayz_yummy]

when i say rock hard, not yung sobrang tigas.. it stiffs na tipong di madali ka mag-oversteer..

[drey]

I've only tried the electric power steering of the Jazz. Perhaps it's the technology or the tuning but the Jazz' electric power steering has no feedback to the driver on the highway. Best way to describe it is, it's like the old "night driver" arcade game (for those of you who are old enough to play that game ). But when maneuvering in tight spaces like a parking lot, the electric power steering is very effective

I've driven our Jazz for thousands of kilometers. And yes there is good and direct feedback on both city and highway. The steering just feels heavier on higher speeds thus eliminating sudden steer like what you encounter in conventional power steering where a little steer can turn the car in far greater angle.

*archie,
I always miss a pot hole at high speeds on our Jazz. No, it's not painful experience. As I've said, the steering has good feedback.

[rion]

I've only tried the electric power steering of the Jazz. Perhaps it's the technology or the tuning but the Jazz' electric power steering has no feedback to the driver on the highway. Best way to describe it is, it's like the old "night driver" arcade game (for those of you who are old enough to play that game ). But when maneuvering in tight spaces like a parking lot, the electric power steering is very effective

hehe... thanks for the info, this confirms what is said on wiki.

The "feel" is often set a bit on the light side so a criticism commonly expressed is a lack of steering "feel".[

[niky]

may question lang po ako sa EPS... if its rock hard sa high speeds, paano if you need to turn quickly to avoid something or someone sa road? would it be a pain to steer?

Steering only becomes hard at high speed if it's programmed to become hard. Most EPS systems I've test-driven have the opposite problem actually... they're too light at high speeds.

The only EPS cars I've driven that have felt almost right are newer Mazdas (Mazda6, CX9... not the Mazda3), BMWs (though it's still nowhere near Hydraulics) and maybe the new Honda Civic. I say maybe because I've driven two Civics on which I hated the power steering, and one on which I didn't.

Most EPS is crap. The new Altis, the Vios, the Accent... all crap. The Jazz... still crap, but the car itself makes up for that shortcoming. The steering has no feel... no indication on whether your front tires have grip, are turning, are going flat, are on ice... nothing.

I just hope that in the future, all new EPS systems will be designed like that on the Mazda6... with the EPS motor situated on the rack nearer the wheels. This gives halfway decent road feel compared to column mounted motors which just feel weird.

Power steering failure on electric racks is no big deal. It just gets really heavy. You can still actually steer. Just like with hydraulic rack failures.

[mbeige]

That confirms what I've thought about the Honda Jazz EPS - it's isolated from the road feel and doesn't communicate well, though it does make steering much lighter, you still have to judge mentally how the chassis is running about when you have steering input.

[[archie]]

Steering only becomes hard at high speed if it's programmed to become hard. Most EPS systems I've test-driven have the opposite problem actually... they're too light at high speeds.

The only EPS cars I've driven that have felt almost right are newer Mazdas (Mazda6, CX9... not the Mazda3), BMWs (though it's still nowhere near Hydraulics) and maybe the new Honda Civic. I say maybe because I've driven two Civics on which I hated the power steering, and one on which I didn't.

Most EPS is crap. The new Altis, the Vios, the Accent... all crap. The Jazz... still crap, but the car itself makes up for that shortcoming. The steering has no feel... no indication on whether your front tires have grip, are turning, are going flat, are on ice... nothing.

I just hope that in the future, all new EPS systems will be designed like that on the Mazda6... with the EPS motor situated on the rack nearer the wheels. This gives halfway decent road feel compared to column mounted motors which just feel weird.

Power steering failure on electric racks is no big deal. It just gets really heavy. You can still actually steer. Just like with hydraulic rack failures.

wow, medyo hindi nga ideal yung EPS if you dont feel anything that indicates going flat and/or having traction. thought its all good news for this new technology... parang the saying of "old technology is better that brandnew technology" is right in this case... thanks sir niky for the insight.

[niky]

The one good thing about the Jazz is that the chassis itself is so communicative, it makes up for some of the lack of feel.

Despite my rant, I recognize EPS as the way forward. In fact, it's about time that all car accessories become electric... including air-conditioning. This lessens motor load and makes for terrific fuel consumption. With some new cars like the Mazda6, I'm hopeful that some day EPS will be nearly as good as hydraulic steering at transmitting road feel. Remember, hydraulic systems aren't really transparent, either... but at least they have better feedback.

[yapoy86]

yung mga maliliit na suzuki vans some of them are already equipped with EPS eventhough they were built in 1990's...

this technology is already available since then, i don't know why automakers didn't introduce this earlier.. lessens the engine load

EPS is good as long you don't steer while the vehicle is stationary or stepping on the brakes to avoid stress on the motors...

this is a good way of saving fuel since you really don't need power assist during high speeds unlike hydraulic steering that continuously operate the PS pump