Effects of side collision to the suspension, steering, alignment

[ericafrente]

I badly need help and info,
my honda jazz 2005 was bumped at its right side by a jeepney head-on. damaged the right fender, front right door, rear right door and the center pillar.
will there be effects in the suspension, steering assy, alignment

[ghosthunter]

I badly need help and info,
my honda jazz 2005 was bumped at its right side by a jeepney head-on. damaged the right fender, front right door, rear right door and the center pillar.
will there be effects in the suspension, steering assy, alignment

Depends on the force of the impact. If the force of the collision is strong enough, the chassis can get bent. If not repaired properly, the car will never go in a straight line, even with the best wheel alignment job you can do on it. But it can still be repaired by having the car's chassis pulled back into it's original shape.

[ericafrente]

Depends on the force of the impact. If the force of the collision is strong enough, the chassis can get bent. If not repaired properly, the car will never go in a straight line, even with the best wheel alignment job you can do on it. But it can still be repaired by having the car's chassis pulled back into it's original shape.

"sir, where in manila or QC can I go to have these checked?

[jick.cejoco]

I badly need help and info,
my honda jazz 2005 was bumped at its right side by a jeepney head-on. damaged the right fender, front right door, rear right door and the center pillar.
will there be effects in the suspension, steering assy, alignment

in essence, your car is totally damaged in the eyes of the insurance. you should be claiming damages from the jeepney's insurance company for the fair market value of the car. if you decide to have this repaired, the proper way is to replace all the dented structural components of the chassis and all the related steering, suspension and brake components. but since the labor cost is very inexpensive in the country, insurance company of the guilty party will try to evade and avoid at any cost the damages their client has caused. have your insurance company lawyer back you up for the claims. even if you have it repaired, there will be latent defects that will show up later.

[ghosthunter]

"sir, where in manila or QC can I go to have these checked?

Not so sure about other places but one place I know is VELOCITY MOTORS. They are located at the corner of Shaw and Neuve de Pebrero in Mandaluyong City.

LINK: https://www.facebook.com/pages/VELOC...NG/88380155035

Contact info LINK: EYP.PH - VELOCITY MOTORS in Mandaluyong City Metro Manila


BTW, I just want to repeat that there might be shops that can do the same repair but I just don't have the info. Maybe someone else can suggest other shops.

[Retz]

Better ask your insurance company for their affiliates motorshops that are good in servicing suspension and alignment.

[tip_tipid]

I presume that at the car's age, it is no longer covered by comprehensive/own damage insurance. Normally, severe damage from the side are declared as total wreck by insurance companies due to high cost of repair.

[niky]

Having a chassis alignment at Velocity is not cheap, and it takes a number of days... and the line is loooooong. Kung puwedeng ihabol sa suspension alignment, do so.

[nrg500]

Depends on the force of the impact. If the force of the collision is strong enough, the chassis can get bent. If not repaired properly, the car will never go in a straight line, even with the best wheel alignment job you can do on it. But it can still be repaired by having the car's chassis pulled back into it's original shape.

This is the disadvantage of a monocoque chassis design

By the way, would it be better if a car is some sort of hybrid of a ladder chassis and a space frame chassis ? The core structure will very strong then there will be front, side, and rear crumple zones (relatively weaker than the core structure) that can be easily cut off and replaced once it gets bent or damaged

[vinj]

you should be claiming damages from the jeepney's insurance company for the fair market value of the car.

Hehehe... i'd be utterly shocked if the jeepney was insured and actually pays up. :D

x2 on Velocity Motors as they have a chassis straightener. I got mixed reviews on them though (but this was more than 6-8 years ago).

[ghosthunter]

By the way, would it be better if a car is some sort of hybrid of a ladder chassis and a space frame chassis ? The core structure will very strong then there will be front, side, and rear crumple zones (relatively weaker than the core structure) that can be easily cut off and replaced once it gets bent or damaged

You mean,... you want to drive a Public Utility Jeepney?

[niky]

They do good work. They tweaked my Lynx back to square, no complaints (except for the waiting time). The problem is, since they're the only big shop that does it, everyone has it done there. Kinda kicking myself. Shoulda had the frame seam welded at the same time, too.

This is the disadvantage of a monocoque chassis design

By the way, would it be better if a car is some sort of hybrid of a ladder chassis and a space frame chassis ? The core structure will very strong then there will be front, side, and rear crumple zones (relatively weaker than the core structure) that can be easily cut off and replaced once it gets bent or damaged

If the entire body has to be replaced, not cost effective, any more. Insurance will just junk it.

Once you have a space frame, no need for the crude ladder. A space frame is technically the best you can get in terms of body rigidity and safety. Adding a heavy ladder to the bottom of it will be adding weight for no practical benefits. Most racing cars and all extreme off-roaders are built on space frames.

The problem with a space frame is it is labor intensive and expensive to produce. The only consumer vehicles you see with space frames are usually supercars or low-volume trackday cars like the Radical and the Super Seven. Space frames also take up lots of space. This is necessary for rigidity.

You want a "hybrid", that's simple. Just put a rollcage in the car. With a roll-cage fastened to the subframes front and rear, the body panels, roof and pillars of the car become cosmetic parts that you can replace with ease.

But a rollcage is a pain in the ass. A properly triangulated rollcage with good side protection makes it very hard to get in and out, and there will be little to no space in the back seat.

[nrg500]

They do good work. They tweaked my Lynx back to square, no complaints (except for the waiting time). The problem is, since they're the only big shop that does it, everyone has it done there. Kinda kicking myself. Shoulda had the frame seam welded at the same time, too.



If the entire body has to be replaced, not cost effective, any more. Insurance will just junk it.

Once you have a space frame, no need for the crude ladder. A space frame is technically the best you can get in terms of body rigidity and safety. Adding a heavy ladder to the bottom of it will be adding weight for no practical benefits. Most racing cars and all extreme off-roaders are built on space frames.

The problem with a space frame is it is labor intensive and expensive to produce. The only consumer vehicles you see with space frames are usually supercars or low-volume trackday cars like the Radical and the Super Seven. Space frames also take up lots of space. This is necessary for rigidity.

You want a "hybrid", that's simple. Just put a rollcage in the car. With a roll-cage fastened to the subframes front and rear, the body panels, roof and pillars of the car become cosmetic parts that you can replace with ease.

But a rollcage is a pain in the ass. A properly triangulated rollcage with good side protection makes it very hard to get in and out, and there will be little to no space in the back seat.

What I meant was the crumple zones will protect the core structure that holds the passengers, engine, suspension, etc. For example, in the event of a side impact, the side crumple zone will be cut, then re-install a new one to the core structure.

I hope you get what I mean

[nrg500]

You mean,... you want to drive a Public Utility Jeepney?

Why is that ladder chassis is always associated with PUJ's, and OTJ's ?


Porsche 904 used a ladder chassis




Replicas made by Factory Five Racing also use a ladder chassis Design | | Factory Five RacingFactory Five Racing




ERA Replicas also uses ladder chassis FIA Chassis illustration

[niky]

What do those cars have in common?


They're all either fifty years old or replicas of fifty year old cars.

Old cars which are needlessly heavy for the amount of body rigidity they have and woefully unsafe compared to modern sportscars.

What I meant was the crumple zones will protect the core structure that holds the passengers, engine, suspension, etc. For example, in the event of a side impact, the side crumple zone will be cut, then re-install a new one to the core structure.

I hope you get what I mean

How wide is your car going to be? Even with a full spaceframe, you cannot prevent damage to the main chassis during a side impact.

Most cars nowadays already have front subframes that can be replaced after an accident, but it is impossible to prevent damage to the safety cell.

To build a car the way you want it would result in a car that is at least three feet wider than a regular car, and several feet longer. And much heavier, because instead of having a unitary body, it will have a metal skin, a spaceframe and a ladder.

Nobody wants a two ton Civic.