On jack stands for extended period- nakakasira ng shocks?

[SoleusBB]

Guys, related development ito from a Ford Fiesta thread:
Busted Shocks - Ford Fiesta

I plan to put one of our cars (Toyota Wigo) on jack stands for mga 2 month's storage (all 4 wheels).
First time ko lang narinig na may ibang cars na nasisira ang shocks if matagal siyang lifted off the ground?
Is this true, or for some particular models/brands lang ba?

We've had cars na matagal nakalagay on stands before, but these were old '70's models na restoration projects namin when we were younger. Di naman nasira yung mga shocks (oil filled pa yung stock shocks nila). I don't know with these cars nowadays.

Pa share naman ng kaalaman, and thanks in advance.

[Archerfish]

Guys, related development ito from a Ford Fiesta thread:
Busted Shocks - Ford Fiesta

I plan to put one of our cars (Toyota Wigo) on jack stands for mga 2 month's storage (all 4 wheels).
First time ko lang narinig na may ibang cars na nasisira ang shocks if matagal siyang lifted off the ground?
Is this true, or for some particular models/brands lang ba?

We've had cars na matagal nakalagay on stands before, but these were old '70's models na restoration projects namin when we were younger. Di naman nasira yung mga shocks (oil filled pa yung stock shocks nila). I don't know with these cars nowadays.

Pa share naman ng kaalaman, and thanks in advance.

If that problem in Ford is indeed an "issue" for newer cars, then you shouldn't lift the car all the way up.

My suggestions are:

1. Inflate the tires up to near maximum pressure rating. You should see it on the tire itself.

2. Lift the car just at the right height in such a way that the tires are still carrying the car's weight.

In this manner, the shocks won't be "stretched​" and your wheels won't be stressed too much since the jack stands are also helping in carrying the weight of the car.

Let's wait for our experts' opinion.

[bugoys]

2 months is just a short time, IMO. I don't think it will have any adverse effect on any of the suspension parts of your car.

I think some cars gets stuck longer than that, and all they got was a flat tire, or a spoiled gas.

But, you can still heed Archerfish's advice.

[SoleusBB]

Yun na nga eh. Wala ka talaga laban sa tubig.

From yung pictures dun sa contraption at the gate, may tubig pa rin inside.

Hindi pa naman grabe yung pumapasok, the worst was an inch or so above the ankle so hindi pa lumalagpas sa tire, but that was for a 1.5 hour something thunderstorm. I don't know what a 1-2 day Typhoon will do. I'll take the suggestion sa sandbags and barricade the gate pag may impending storm to slow things up a bit. Hindi naman mahal yun.

Worst case... Magkano kaya ang shocks? Possibly mga 5-7k a pair kaya? On the cheaper end of the spectrum siguro kasi maliit lang naman na kotse. Then again, baka ma-damage din yung coil springs kasi nabanat??? Ay, naku...

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Friends who live in Makati evacuate their cars to the parking ng Cash & Carry. Binabayaran na lang yung overnight rate siguro. Sana hindi naman mag take-advantage yung mga mall owners nito- baka may makabasa sa management and may bumbilya na sumindi with peso signs...

[Ry_Tower]

If that problem in Ford is indeed an "issue" for newer cars, then you shouldn't lift the car all the way up.

My suggestions are:

1. Inflate the tires up to near maximum pressure rating. You should see it on the tire itself.

2. Lift the car just at the right height in such a way that the tires are still carrying the car's weight.

In this manner, the shocks won't be "stretched​" and your wheels won't be stressed too much since the jack stands are also helping in carrying the weight of the car.

Let's wait for our experts' opinion.

Use jack stands as support sa tires and wheels. That is safer. Don't forget the wheel chocks.

[Archerfish]

If I may digress, can you post the pictures of your restored cars?

[dr. d]

sometimes, when tires go fully flat, the lip may separate from the tire. when that happens, i might not be able to re-inflate that tire with my home tire inflator.
i'd have to remove the wheel and bring it to the tire shop, for re-inflation.
so, i either overinflate, or i put the car on stands, to prevent full-flat tire. the tire does not have to lift away from the ground; it just has to be prevented from going fully flat.
tamad ako. so i just over-inflate.
heh heh.

only two months? just inflate it to 36-40 psi.

[SoleusBB]

If I may digress, can you post the pictures of your restored cars?

Oh, we're not well to do or anything... May talyer uncle ko dati, so my cousins and I had some "junker" cars that we'd bit by bit rehabilitate to get roadworthy (and presentable) even if some of them would have to wear masilya "camouflage" for over half a year bago mapinturahan properly

They were fun "first cars" for us in our teens and early 20's- even if once in a while mapapahiya ka sa date mo because the engine was a work in progress. Unlike some of our peers with doting parents who were zipping around in Hondas with souped up engines or Toyotas na naka-setup ng boombox, etc., we had these. Sa amin kasi... you'd have to earn it to deserve it.

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Happy naman yung mga nakabili nung mga end product (97+% restored/rebuilt). We made sure the buyers were enthusiasts/collectors and not someone just looking for an "expendable" car for a newbie driver. Yung isa, muntik pang pagawayan nung mga interested buyers. These cars were much loved and we made sure they had good new owners, with an offer to repurchase ulit in the future (if our means allowed).

Notable projects were a 70's Land Cruiser, Toyota Crown S50 (lakas sa gas!), 1600 VW Beetle, Toyota Sprinter and an Izuzu Gemini (gave up, sold as scrap). Halata `bang maka-Toyota kami? It wasn't too hard to look for obsolete parts, even if it meant digging around in junk piles/surplus parts shops on weekends, parang mga basurero. Walang basagan ng trip!
The VW had good supply depots at Araneta Ave. in Q.C., budget lang lagi kapos then.

Yun nga lang, in the late 80's and early 90's cellphones were luxury items and didn't have cams, and a digital camera was expensive so we didn't have pics digitized. Hahanapin ko nga yung mga 3R photos minsan somewhere and scan them to post here.

[ice15]

Place the stand sa ilalim ng shocks. You lift the tires pero may tension pa din yu g suspension

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[ninjababez]

ayaw mo tanggalin nalang yun gulong while naka jackstand? less stress sa shocks?

[SoleusBB]

Anyways, the reason why balak ko i-lift yung car is yung area ng garage namin pinapasok na ng floodwaters lately.

Yung flood control project ng gov't sa area namin palpak. Dati hindi pumpapasok, nung ginawa nila, lumala, pumapasok na. Way to go!

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Its the same reason kaya balak ko "impound" muna dito sa amin because I will be using our lifted Hilux as a daily drive in the rainy season. "Naawa" ako for the tiny car. Tipid ka nga sa gas, pero nail-biting anxiety every time bumabaha when these thunderstorms strike (hindi pa bagyo yan ha?). Kahit may AOG cover ka, your car won't be the same.

I guess the Wigo may be an el cheapo car compared to what some of you guys may own, pero for middle class people like me, hindi naman pinulot lang kung saan yung pinambili nun so iingatan lang Last line of defense na yung jack stands kasi no escape na (mas malalim outside the garage, which ni raise na namin yung angle ng concrete entry ramp). If it gets past that, well, nagawa ko na lahat. Every few centimeters count!

Siguro I'll try removing the wheels nga as suggested, and lift the vehicle as a last option kung may impending storm because I might be doing more harm than good. Kung sandali lang baka di naman makasama?

All posters, TY for your your thoughts! All additional opinions are still welcome and will be appreciated.

Habang mag practice drills ako (in my head) raising the car while Ondoy class rains start flooding the garage, magiipon naman ako ngayon to move to a better neighborhood

[Wh1stl3r]

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There are also car lifts pero mahal din. Having lived in a flood prone place for 5 years, for me the best in the long run would be to move to a place without flooding. How high does the flood get? If up to knee deep, stock up on sandbags to at least limit the water coming in.

[ice15]

Anyways, the reason why balak ko i-lift yung car is yung area ng garage namin pinapasok na ng floodwaters lately.

Yung flood control project ng gov't sa area namin palpak. Dati hindi pumpapasok, nung ginawa nila, lumala, pumapasok na. Way to go!

May classmate ako dati na taga Manila...

Yung car nya pinagawan nya ng parang ramp na 6 inches ang taas... sa ibabaw nun parking nya para di abutin ng baha flooring ng kotse nya

[papi smith]

I don't think aabot sa punto na lulutang yung car ni TS with the plastic wrap, after all, he was only considering the full height of the jackstands to lift his car.

[dr. d]

I don't think aabot sa punto na lulutang yung car ni TS with the plastic wrap, after all, he was only considering the full height of the jackstands to lift his car.

at the right height of water, lulutang po ang kotseng nakabalot ng plastic.
or at least, it will be light enough, as to get carried away by the movement of the floodwaters.

i remember our old air-cooled VW beetle. it has a semi-waterproof flooring. when the floodwaters get high enough, the body tends to get carried away by fast-moving floodwater.

[SoleusBB]

As I recall, acetlyne welds are good enough for yero, light metals and automotive bodywork. But for heavy gauge steel such as window grills etc., arc (electric) welder ang needed. Nag-canvass pa ako lately ng materials. Short term fix ko muna is to look for possible "evac" zones.

i remember our old air-cooled VW beetle. it has a semi-waterproof flooring. when the floodwaters get high enough, the body tends to get carried away by fast-moving floodwater.

Yes Doc! One very old VW commercial showed a beetle floating on water.

The 1600 VW was my cousin's ride in UST (Pre Med & Med proper). Per our research rebuilding it, if the floor seals were intact, you could bring out the oars and row! Amphibious??? I tell you guys, that was one TOUGH car built to last- kudos to German engineering.

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Alam nyo naman sa UST right? No Thomasian ever graduates without being "baptized" (sa baha!)

All around us, cars were sputtering out, overcome by the rising waters. Kami, puno na ng tubig sa loob, but the engine kept running- the powerful cooling fan kept a cushion of air around the cylinder heads (boxer type engine eh). As long as you didn't switch it off, you'd be ok.

Muntik nga lang kami mabangga several times kasi wala nang preno (basa na sobra)

[SoleusBB]

I found a link with pics. The internet is really useful nowadays isn't it?

Why do Volkswagen Beetles float?

[SoleusBB]

May classmate ako dati na taga Manila...

Yung car nya pinagawan nya ng parang ramp na 6 inches ang taas... sa ibabaw nun parking nya para di abutin ng baha flooring ng kotse nya

Yan din naiisip ko. Construct 2 moveable ramps to raise the vehicle 0.5 to 1 foot- if high enough, pwede na ring crawl space to get underneath the car so I can inspect the underchassis or do oil changes, etc. Ceiling can accommodate the increased height naman.

Anybody knowledgeable with metalworking, may hardware or welding shop na may idea kaya how much materials and labor this might cost? Its a short subcompact so it doesn't have to be fancy, just strong enough to support mga 3 tons siguro.

[ninjababez]

Yan din naiisip ko. Construct 2 moveable ramps to raise the vehicle 0.5 to 1 foot- if high enough, pwede na ring crawl space to get underneath the car so I can inspect the underchassis or do oil changes, etc. Ceiling can accommodate the increased height naman.

Anybody knowledgeable with metalworking, may hardware or welding shop na may idea kaya how much materials and labor this might cost? Its a short subcompact so it doesn't have to be fancy, just strong enough to support mga 3 tons siguro.

nagtaas ang price ng bakal ngayon bro
kung may maglalagare, pwede kita tulungan mag weld

[dr. d]

we had these thingees made by a worker, in our garage, many years ago.
using quality ingredients, and my dad's usual over-engineering style, i could not believe just how expensive they can get! the acetylene welding alone...
"dad, kotse lang tayo, hindi trak...!"
"anak, today, kotse ang naka-garahe. next week... who knows?"
"besides, with this design, kahit mag-camping at mag-luto o mag-campfire pa kayo sa ilalim!"