Subaru Forester

[HyBrideVo]

That tranny thing is apparently the one that's quite controversial. Even the mag made a point to say ALLEGEDLY.

Didn't mean to sound as if USDM subbies are crappy -- I just meant they have differences ... any differences are bound to be affected by emissions and fuel issues but there are lots of fans and growing at subaruforester.org to show they're NOT crappy as a rule nor by default. MI probably just makes the typical SOA dealer look bad. Of course, it could just be that you guys have a heck of a lot more units than we do and your 1% problems far outnumber our 1%. Hey, at least you have more affordable prices!

North America is Subaru's biggest market thus far so you're right our 1% is way more than your 1%. Prices? Hmmm im not too sure about that i think it's almost the same..Or is it because of the crazy ass taxes you guys have there that's why it's so expensive. MI seems to be the typical stealersh... ehem dealership to me though...

On a different note, isn't cali the ONLY state with low octane fuel only and even higher emissions standards? Do they tweak the specs for cali or do they change the whole thing for SOA? I guess, issues like this are the point of the differences.

California has 91 octane as the highest available fuel for a street driven vehicle.

http://www.arb.ca.gov/homepage.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_...nal_variations

IIRC, Subaru has PZEV & ULEV vehicles so it's really not a problem if it's sold in California or any other states. It's tuned specifically and passed emissions for the North American market. Other brands though have California spec vehicles as far as i know.

[pup2]

Prices: Yes, crazy a$$ taxes so our govt people have pocket money. For comparison purposes, our FXT goes for about PHP 1.7-1.8m now -- that's almost 37K USD. I'm not sure but I think that's bimmer territory over there.

MI has much better service quality than the dealers over there I think. We just have to remember their prices are non-negotiable so if the budget is small, there's a need to look elsewhere.

Consumers don't have too many rights over here but they tend to shoot you if they feel bad enough so maybe that's the motivation ... seriously.

91? Is that the average of MON+RON? So what's the RON? Cause our manual says 95 RON MINIMUM.

[HyBrideVo]

Prices: Yes, crazy a$$ taxes so our govt people have pocket money. For comparison purposes, our FXT goes for about PHP 1.7-1.8m now -- that's almost 37K USD. I'm not sure but I think that's bimmer territory over there.

MI has much better service quality than the dealers over there I think. We just have to remember their prices are non-negotiable so if the budget is small, there's a need to look elsewhere.

Consumers don't have too many rights over here but they tend to shoot you if they feel bad enough so maybe that's the motivation ... seriously.

91? Is that the average of MON+RON? So what's the RON? Cause our manual says 95 RON MINIMUM.

Wow i got mine thousands below $37k. You guys really got raped by the damn tax people :bwahaha:

It depends on the dealer network. My dealer is one of if not the best Subaru dealer in Florida - Mastro Auto Group (SOA calls them Stellar Performers - 5 stars or more rating i believe). I get a free loaner car if my FXT is gonna stay a day or two at the shop for maintenance service which is pretty good (does MI offer that! ) Most of the local Subie owners with my cousin one of 'em takes their car to Mastro because they have one of the best & honest service advisors and technicians. And most of all they're a 'mod' friendly dealer!

It's rather common sense that MI should give it's customers excellent service for the money... The fact that they're the only Subie dealer in the country they should at least provide 'better quality' than non authorized dealers hahaha :rofl01:

California's 91 super unleaded is the equivalent of your 95 regular unleaded. Fortunately, here in FL we have 93 super unleaded.


I suppose pinas is based on Euro standards

This higher rating seen in Europe is an artifact of a different underlying measuring procedure. In most countries (including all of Europe and Australia) the "headline" octane that would be shown on the pump is the RON, but in the United States, Canada and some other countries the headline number is the average of the RON and the MON, sometimes called the Anti-Knock Index (AKI), Road Octane Number (RdON), Pump Octane Number (PON), or (R+M)/2. Because of the 8 to 10 point difference noted above, this means that the octane in the United States will be about 4 to 5 points lower than the same fuel elsewhere: 87 octane fuel, the "regular" gasoline in the US and Canada, would be 91-92 in Europe. However most European pumps deliver 95 (RON) as "regular", equivalent to 90–91 US (R+M)/2, and deliver 98 (RON), 99 or 100 (RON) labeled as Super Unleaded.

[pup2]

Your first sentence is not true. We're STILL getting raped.

I don't know if they give out loaners because I haven't had an overnight job yet -- and I don't expect to for at least 3-4 more years. I think that kind of practice is limited to the euro brands in this country though.

They fixed my flat for free though. Plus they got my plate in less than 2 weeks -- yes, that's an accomplishment here, a big one. Because plates can take several MONTHS.

You gas up with 93 Octane? Doesn't that do weird things for your engine? Most people here use 96 ...

Wow i got mine thousands below $37k. You guys really got raped by the damn tax people :bwahaha:

It depends on the dealer network. My dealer is one of if not the best Subaru dealer in Florida - Mastro Auto Group (SOA calls them Stellar Performers - 5 stars or more rating i believe). I get a free loaner car if my FXT is gonna stay a day or two at the shop for maintenance service which is pretty good (does MI offer that! ) Most of the local Subie owners with my cousin one of 'em takes their car to Mastro because they have one of the best & honest service advisors and technicians. And most of all they're a 'mod' friendly dealer!

It's rather common sense that MI should give it's customers excellent service for the money... The fact that they're the only Subie dealer in the country they should at least provide 'better quality' than non authorized dealers hahaha :rofl01:

California's 91 super unleaded is the equivalent of your 95 regular unleaded. Fortunately, here in FL we have 93 super unleaded.


I suppose pinas is based on Euro standards

[mazdamazda]

You gas up with 93 Octane? Doesn't that do weird things for your engine? Most people here use 96 ...

The octane rating for the US & Phil is different...we use RON here not sure what they are using over there.

And yes, as what HBV said... their 91 octane is equivalent to our 95 RON.


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[theveed]

From Wiki

In most countries (including all of Europe and Australia) the "headline" octane rating, shown on the pump, is the RON, but in the United States, Canada and some other countries the headline number is the average of the RON and the MON, sometimes called the Anti-Knock Index (AKI), Road Octane Number (RdON), Pump Octane Number (PON), or (R+M)/2.

Because of the 8 to 10 point difference noted above, the octane rating shown in the United States is 4 to 5 points lower than the same fuel elsewhere: 87 octane fuel, the "regular" gasoline in the US and Canada, is 91–92 in Europe. However most European pumps deliver 95 (RON) as "unleaded", equivalent to 90–91 US (R+M)/2, and some even deliver 98 (RON), 100 (RON), or 102 (RON).[2]

[HyBrideVo]

You gas up with 93 Octane? Doesn't that do weird things for your engine? Most people here use 96 ...

Subaru would've not sold STI's, FXT's, LGT's and 1st gen Tribecas that all use PREMIUM UNLEADED fuel (minimum 91 octane) if it did weird things to the engine

[MadCow88]

Removal of Catalytic Converter on FTX to increase power......any feedback to those who have done it?... pros and cons...thanks!

[pup2]

Subaru would've not sold STI's, FXT's, LGT's and 1st gen Tribecas that all use PREMIUM UNLEADED fuel (minimum 91 octane) if it did weird things to the engine

Ah, I got confused with your RON-MON again. You meant 93 RON+MON so that would mean 97 RON right? So how's that working for you? Does it give you more HP?

So you mean the more problematic is the 91/95 in cali which is the same as our 95. Well, it works but I can't help but feel it's not performing as well ...

As for the cat removal ... nope, haven't heard of it here yet. MFB?

[HyBrideVo]

Removal of Catalytic Converter on FTX to increase power......any feedback to those who have done it?... pros and cons...thanks!

I suggest you get an STI intercooler, a catted downpipe and a turboback exhaust if you want significant HP gains (don't forget to get tuned! or go the easy route & buy a Cobb Tuning AccessPort). Removing the CAT alone doesn't give you big HP gains except add pollution to the already polluted air hehe..

Ah, I got confused with your RON-MON again. You meant 93 RON+MON so that would mean 97 RON right? So how's that working for you? Does it give you more HP?

Our 93 octane here in FL works great. I don't notice any HP gains by filling up from station to another though one thing i observed is if i fill up at Sunoco or Shell my fuel lasts a day or two longer than filling up at 'discount stations' like Sam's club, BJ's or Costco. And perhaps my ride is bone stock so it really doesn't matter.

So you mean the more problematic is the 91/95 in cali which is the same as our 95. Well, it works but I can't help but feel it's not performing as well ...

Problematic? Nahh i've never heard of EJ207, EJ255 or EJ257 turbo owners complaining about the otherwise known as 'crappy' 91 octane in California. Unless you get crazy on modifications such as a turbo swap, intake, exhaust and engine work, then obviously the motor/ecu has to get tuned for it to run on pump gas (91 octane).