MB100, Ssangyong/Daewoo Istana [ARCHIVED]

[wax]

My MB100 already have 86K on its odo. It is a 97 Ssangyong unit but was brand new when imported last 97. I got it for only over a year now.

Maybe I'll just do that. I can take out my DVD and my 2DIN stereo muna (I changed the original Ssangyong). Anyway, it's not that hard to take if off and I can just install it back myself when it's done.

Still, I can talk to Mang Rudy that he'll guarantee my van's safety.

[voltscastillo]

the price is a little high, pero that's just my opinion...no experience with the mb100 engines.

pero why don't you ask around muna kung magkano per piece ng lahat ng piesa na gagamitin? new liners, piston rings...the whole overhaul kit for your engine. add 20% for the machine shop, 10% for new oil, filters, maybe an injector clean and the rest will be for labor. if they'll be charging more than 20T for labor alone, hmm, medjo mahal.

[wax]

volts ..

actually ang charge nila for the labor is P12K. I think the next thing na mahal is the machine shop. How much normally should they charge for a machine shop work? I remember Mang Rudy estimated around 10K for the machine shop alone. Medyo natataasan nga ako e.

I will ask them for a parts list for this project so that I can compare around.

Thanks!

[geebunny]

All you have is verbal guarantee for the safety of your van even it's out on the street. Suggest that you look for a safer shop with equivalent expertise and cost so you can have peace of mind while your van is being repaired.

[wax]

geebunny ..

actually i really don't feel at ease leaving my van out on the street maski sabihin nila na secured yung place nila.

i will shop around and compare their prices. i will try to look for RBL again. di ko kasi makita the last time i tried.

[parakitoJDM]

during late 90's kumatok din yung engine ng MB100 ng brother ko, he was able to get CASA replace the engine after proving that the cause was ingested water from a small puddle during rainy season in Manila. Problem is air-intake of the MB100 is pointed down so it's really prone to suck even water... good luck.

[nicko]

For 39K to 40K that is quite expensive and the problem with overhauling her is that the machine shop does not do good work. Try shoping around for a surplus engine it might cost half the price and faster to work on. I just had my cylinder head overhauled last year of my sentra diesel. This year it overheated again when I had it checked the machine shop resurface it too rough. I spend 15k for the overhaul head I just bought a surplus head for 7.5k and now its ok working na without overheating for 5 months. When you buy a used engine they ussually test run it just bring a qualified mechanic to check it and make sure they have papers when they sell you the engine.

[wax]

My MB100 unit is a Ssangyong and yes the air intake is pointing downwards. I am planning to replace it with the new intake and weather strips on the hood.

I asked around this morning to compare the prices. MCR is replacing all my piston rings with Germany parts. That's 5 sets since MB100 is 5 cylinders. Other shops only use Korean brand parts. At least that's the guarantee I got from Mang Rudy. All the parts that we'll use Germany brands and is really of good quality and he'll only replace parts that really needs replacing.

He'll take care of the machine shop. He knows better where to bring it since their shop specializes in Mercs.

I am scheduled to bring in my unit tomorrow so they can start with the repair. It will take 4 to 5 days to complete the job.

[voltscastillo]

My MB100 unit is a Ssangyong and yes the air intake is pointing downwards. I am planning to replace it with the new intake and weather strips on the hood.

I asked around this morning to compare the prices. MCR is replacing all my piston rings with Germany parts. That's 5 sets since MB100 is 5 cylinders. Other shops only use Korean brand parts. At least that's the guarantee I got from Mang Rudy. All the parts that we'll use Germany brands and is really of good quality and he'll only replace parts that really needs replacing.

He'll take care of the machine shop. He knows better where to bring it since their shop specializes in Mercs.

I am scheduled to bring in my unit tomorrow so they can start with the repair. It will take 4 to 5 days to complete the job.

teka...piston rings lang?

a full general overhaul should include new liners (piston sleeves) for the cylinders. usually yung original cylinders have ridges around them na, so the piston mating to the cylinder is not 100% tight. this the reason for blow-by - gases escape through the gap between the cylinder and piston.

kung walang liners, at new piston rings lang, they might go for oversized rings to compensate for the wear of the original cylinder. hahabulin nila yung seal, ika-nga. kung ganito, you might as well say "dukut" na lang (change piston rings, cheaper ng 70% sa overhaul). dati yung pajero ko pinadukot ko yung rings, 5T lang ang singil, all-in. that was 2 years ago.

think about it...if they will just bore the cylinder block (to remove the ridges from wear and tear) then install bigger rings to ensure a tight seal, all without installing sleeves (to bring the size back to regulation size), pretty soon wasak na ang rings nyan. the dukot system doesn't work, or doesn't last. if they'll bore out the block they must use new liners.

insist on seeing all the required parts before you pay. ask if they will re-sleeve the block after the machine shop part. if not, well, it's up to you kung i-ririsk mo na gumamit ng oversized rings.

tsaka sa presyo na yun dapat kasama na lahat, pati oil, filters, calibration. 50T is not a small sum. overhaul ng 4d56T ko nun cost 20T lang daw e, all in (accdg to my pinsan who used to own it). given na 5 pistons mo at medjo exotic, 50T is still the going rate for a surplus 4m40T (pajero engine 2.8T).\

lastly, wag ka masyado maniwala jan sa germany ek-ek stuff nila. unless you see "made in germany" stamped on the metal parts, haggle some more. maraming kalokohan sa diesel engine repair, trust me, i know. they won't be fabricating new engine parts from scratch (ala-Rides sa discovery channel), so you're entitled to haggle their ass off gawa ng baklas kabit lang naman gagawin nila.

[rvm519]

bro dun mo nlang dalin sa rdd engineering kay mang rene. sa bulacan yun malayo pero worthy puntahan kc mura sya maningil e!labor nya is 7k lang for overhaul madami nko nakita nagpa overhaul ng mb100 dun.eto number nya0446680628.just tell him recommended ka ni romel

[wax]

rvm519 ..

thanks rommel for the info. i was looking even before for a mechanic close to my place. i live in marilao and i prefer nga sana close to my area para mabantayan ko.

i brought my unit this morning to mcr and ther already started working on my van. they are now in the process of taking down the engine. i will visit them again this afternoon to see them work.

i will call rdd engineering so at least whenever i need a mechanic, they're the closest to my place.

thanks again!

[spidey1211]

bro dun mo nlang dalin sa rdd engineering kay mang rene. sa bulacan yun malayo pero worthy puntahan kc mura sya maningil e!labor nya is 7k lang for overhaul madami nko nakita nagpa overhaul ng mb100 dun.eto number nya0446680628.just tell him recommended ka ni romel

dude, saan located si mang rene? im from malolos...but had our mb100 serviced sa cats..

may engine knock ung mb100 namin, and i was told baka i need to replace the nozzles...baka ok din gumawa dun and then malapit pa..

[rvm519]

ok bro!thats predestined to happen.anyway,hope everything will go smooth. just call mang rene if you need a closer shop.He is very dependable coz all his life he is a chief mechanic in germany,u.s,middle east.Hes standard is high simply bcoz hes an aircraft chief of boeing.also knows very well on automatic tranny,every time i go there he is working on one.overhauling engine and tranny is an ordinary thing in there.

[rvm519]

He is located at cupang bulacan.much better bro if you call mang rene 0446680628 tell him you were recommended by romel thru the internet.

[wax]

Spidey ...

have your nozzles cleaned baka fuel knock lang yan.

BTW, yesterday okay na yung van ko. Nabuo na ang running na yung engine although they still have to make some testing and adjustments. I will also have my nozzles cleaned kasi nagkaroon din ng fuel knock. Break-in nila since yesterday hanggang today and makukuha ko na yung van mamayang hapon.

Okay naman yung gawa ng MCR. I'm happy with all the help that they extended me. Medyo nag overshoot lang ng konti sa budget (P46K total) pero okay lang. Nandiyan na yan e.

Thanks for all the advices!

[SELEGNA_35]

DJ original ba na BOSCH germany na nozzle tip ang pinakabit mo o yung yaring korea kc nung nagpapalit din ako ng nozzle tip original na BOSCH germany ang ipinalit ko 12,000 nman nagastus ko. Tpos kahit bago yung nozzle tip kailangan pa din siyang i adjust sa tamang adjustment. Pag ka wala sa tamang adjust ung nozzle tip malakas pa din sa kunsumo sa diesel at my fuel knock ang makina ung parang may tagatak sa my bandang cylinder head.

Isa pa pag di pa naikacalibrate ang injection pump malakas din sa kunsumo sa diesel. Malalaman mo kung wala na sa tamang adjustment ang injection pump kapag my fuel knock sa my bandang left side ng makina sa my injection pump mga around 10,000 ang pagawa ng injection pump.

Dun naman sa nababawasan ang langis ng makina mo pag nag park ka bago ka umalis check mo ilalim ng van mo kung my tulo ng langis at pag meron (be sure na sa iyo yun baka kc sa ibang auto) at pa na confirm mo na iyo un hanapin mo ang mga posibleng pinanggalingan ng tulo nga langis kalimitang nanggagaling ang tulo sa crunk shaft sa unahan ng makina sa mga bi-pass rubber hose at sa my crank shaft sa pagitan naman ng makina at tranmision dun sa dugtungan. I check mo din ung lalagyan ng Oil filter pag kc di maganda pagkakakabit nun ay tumatagas din dun ang langis.

Kapag nman na check mo na at wala nmang tagas ang makina mo check mo nman kung kumakain na ng langis ang makina mo. malalaman mo nman ung sa pamamagitan ng pag observe sa lumalabas na usok sa tambutso mo kapag maputi ang lumalabas na usok my posibilidad na kumakain na ng langis ang makina ng MB100 mo.

pre dapat iniadjust nila ung nozzle tip mo bago ikinabit kc wala sa tamang adjustment un kahit bago cya ay dapat i-check kung tama ang adjustment ng nozzle tip.

Ung sa calibration 22o un kapag mausok ikinacalibrate din ung injection pump, pero kapag ayos at bago ang iyong nozzle tip (nasa tamang adjustment) ay malakas pa din sa kunsumo ay my posibilidad na kailangang ikalibrate ung injection pump. Ung sa akin hndi pa naikacalibrate kc matipid pa nman sa kunsumo sa diesel kc bagong palit ang nozzle tip.

Ipacheck mo sa mga calibration center ung nozzle tip mo baka mali sa adjustment kaya nga lang gastos ulit un dapat tlaga bago ikinabit iniadjustna o ichineck kung nasa tamang adjustment ba ung nozzle tip mo na bago.

Guys,

This morning I went to MCR in Banawe to have my MB100 checked. I got this shop from the previous threads here and from recommendations of some tsikoteers.

I was able to meet Rudy the owner and he is very accomodating. Francis, the mechanic, drove test and checked my unit around and finally gave me the bad news. There is a lot of white smoke coming out of the oil and dipstick channels. There is also a lot of oil leaking around the valve cover and actually, from all over! He recommended that I should have it overhauled while it is still early and not wait for the other parts to give in or else I'll be spending a huge amount of money for repairs.

I am planning to have it fixed by next week. Mang Rudy gave me an estimate of roughly P39-45K for the repair. Any experiences with this shop or would you recommend any other shops?

Thanks for the help!

Sir Otep,

Actually that was also my first concern. I asked them if it is safe to leave the van on their store front and they said it was totally safe. They had previous services and they never had a problem in terms of security. Their place have 24/7 security as claimed by Francis.

I was trying to locate RBL but was not able to find it. The whole place of Pantranco was gone but I'm not sure if I was looking at the right place. Would appreciate if you can give me their contact numbers if you have it.

MCR is the second shop that diagnosed the same problem. The first was Apic also in Banawe area. There is something I don't like about Apic that is why I looked around for another shop. Actually, you were the one who recommended MCR and RBL to me on my previous post (Help with MB100).

I guess I just have to ask Mang Rudy about the security issues. If he can guarantee me that then I might get their services for my repair.

Thanks!

bro dun mo nlang dalin sa rdd engineering kay mang rene. sa bulacan yun malayo pero worthy puntahan kc mura sya maningil e!labor nya is 7k lang for overhaul madami nko nakita nagpa overhaul ng mb100 dun.eto number nya0446680628.just tell him recommended ka ni romel

AYAN ANG DAMI SANA MAKA TULONG LALO NA YUNG TAGA BULACAN.

[OTEP]

Re: the intake, Commercial Motors issued a recall on early local MB100's for an improved intake system.

Ours was included in the recall. Will post pics.

[wax]

Sir OTEP,

I also changed my air intake. before I have the original Ssangyong air intake duct pointing down. This is one probable cause of my problem. The original intake is way down below the hood. It's opening is also exposed from outside the hood so it is really possible that it will take some water in and into my engine.

I bought mine from Apic. They sell a set of it for P1K. The set includes the intake duct, a small cover for the inlet just above the radiator and weather strip for the hood. A small amount to pay to protect my newly overhauled engine.

When I got my unit at MCR, there was a knocking sound from my engine. I suspected my nozzle tips. According to their mechanic, it was normal but I doubt it. I also suspected the timing of the injector but the mechanic said that he already set the timing the best he can and insists that the noise will eventually subside after I use my van for a while. I made a visit to my other mechanic and just by listening to the noise and without checking anything he said it is definitely the timing from the injection pump. He also warned me that it might damage my crankshaft if not fixed immediately.

I had no ther choice but to ask this mechanic to fix the timing since my MCR mechanic already said that that's the best he can do. After the fix, my engine is a lot smoother and quieter. Hmmm.. does that mean that MCR is not really that familiar with MB, at least with the timing thing?

Anyway, I was really concerned that's why I had it fixed right away. Too bad, it's an additional cost for me.

Wheeew! Hirap pala ng overhaul. Anyway, at least my van now is running good.

[SELEGNA_35]

Spidey ...

have your nozzles cleaned baka fuel knock lang yan.

BTW, yesterday okay na yung van ko. Nabuo na ang running na yung engine although they still have to make some testing and adjustments. I will also have my nozzles cleaned kasi nagkaroon din ng fuel knock. Break-in nila since yesterday hanggang today and makukuha ko na yung van mamayang hapon.

Okay naman yung gawa ng MCR. I'm happy with all the help that they extended me. Medyo nag overshoot lang ng konti sa budget (P46K total) pero okay lang. Nandiyan na yan e.

Thanks for all the advices!

Sir OTEP,

I also changed my air intake. before I have the original Ssangyong air intake duct pointing down. This is one probable cause of my problem. The original intake is way down below the hood. It's opening is also exposed from outside the hood so it is really possible that it will take some water in and into my engine.

I bought mine from Apic. They sell a set of it for P1K. The set includes the intake duct, a small cover for the inlet just above the radiator and weather strip for the hood. A small amount to pay to protect my newly overhauled engine.

When I got my unit at MCR, there was a knocking sound from my engine. I suspected my nozzle tips. According to their mechanic, it was normal but I doubt it. I also suspected the timing of the injector but the mechanic said that he already set the timing the best he can and insists that the noise will eventually subside after I use my van for a while. I made a visit to my other mechanic and just by listening to the noise and without checking anything he said it is definitely the timing from the injection pump. He also warned me that it might damage my crankshaft if not fixed immediately.

I had no ther choice but to ask this mechanic to fix the timing since my MCR mechanic already said that that's the best he can do. After the fix, my engine is a lot smoother and quieter. Hmmm.. does that mean that MCR is not really that familiar with MB, at least with the timing thing?

Anyway, I was really concerned that's why I had it fixed right away. Too bad, it's an additional cost for me.

Wheeew! Hirap pala ng overhaul. Anyway, at least my van now is running good.

ETO PA ULI!

[Field Master]

Hi Wax, could you please share the name and location of your mechanic the fix the timing. My officemate is looking for one for his MB100D too. Maybe I could recommend him there. Thanks.