MTB (mountain bike riders) anyone?

[ozcity]

a crest on HD 2.35?..crest is only 21mm internal width..hmmm

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[ozcity]

stans flow vs my roval traverse..

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[safeorigin]

well, you can name a certain wheelset and tire combination and I can calculate it for you

if it's stans flow 26er + hans dampf 2.35, you end up like this:

hans dampf tubeless
bead seat diameter: 0.559
stans flow: 1.837
hans dampf 2.35: 0.765
inertial moment 0.263030882

normal hans dampf
bead seat diameter: 0.559
stans flow: 1.837
hans dampf 2.35: 0.765
inner tube weight: 0.37
inertial moment: 0.291935374

[ozcity]

flow+26×2.35 HD...

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[safeorigin]

woops, check my edit above.

[ozcity]

btw a 2.35 HD is wider than a 2.4 Highroller II

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[safeorigin]

yup. the widest normal tires you can get though are from geax/vittoria. their goma tire is HUUUUGE. their 2.4" tire measures 2.6".

[ozcity]

6fattie and my 26er ..both stumpy

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[safeorigin]

from the recent reviews I've read so far, the plus bike to beat right now are the Ibis Mojo 3 and Scott Genius plus. Reviews on the stumpy 6fattie are lackluster for its sluggish tires.

so yeah, plus bikes live and die by their tires+wheel combo and air pressure. and it's not for everybody.

some riders though... LaMere Cycles Custom Carbon Bicycles

[safeorigin]

for the sake of curiosity, I'm also comparing it to my road wheels

road wheels
bead seat diameter 0.622
fulcrum quattro lg 1.725
conti gp4000sII 0.225
inner tube weight 0.086
inertial moment 0.218686181

[Verbl Kint]

There are a lot more things to factor in other than weight and contact patches. Suspension kinematics and tire pressure have a lot to do with it too.

Plus tires are great for guys who are just starting out or are not as serious yet with the sport. The problem with plus tires though is that their sidewalls are not as robust (to save weight ostensibly) and would probably not be as reliable on a DH or Enduro track. This is one reason why you barely see these on the EWS or UCI DH World Cup.

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[safeorigin]

well, it's certainly not for everybody.

but I don't think it's right either to dismiss plus tires for professional racing.

it's a matter of horses for courses, tbh.

I can see it performing great in argentinian stages where the trails are loose, dusty and sandy.

while the sidewalls may in general be thinner

having that larger volume of air nets 8% more snake-bite resistance

So you think plus bikes are just for beginners? - Mtbr.com

and outside of true downhill casings, they're not that much fragile either

http://app.bitingtires.com/App.html#...ding&width=2.8

http://app.bitingtires.com/App.html#...ding&width=2.5

[Verbl Kint]

well, it's certainly not for everybody.

but I don't think it's right either to dismiss plus tires for professional racing.

it's a matter of horses for courses, tbh.

I can see it performing great in argentinian stages where the trails are loose, dusty and sandy.

while the sidewalls may in general be thinner

having that larger volume of air nets 8% more snake-bite resistance

So you think plus bikes are just for beginners? - Mtbr.com

and outside of true downhill casings, they're not that much fragile either

http://app.bitingtires.com/App.html#...ding&width=2.8

http://app.bitingtires.com/App.html#...ding&width=2.5

I wonder how many in the top 20 in the Argentina leg of the EWS ran plus tires?

Also, I agree there is higher volume on the plus tires but the true benefit would be to run them at low pressures, which sort of negates the point. Trust me, the sidewalls are not robust enough at this point in time to run all out on a DH track like Patiis or Danasan unless you pump it with so much air it'll be like riding a bucking horse.

And yes, current plus-sized tires are for riders who need help on technical tracks. Those who can ride the gnar on good old 2.35 to 2.5 tires will probably not jump on to this industry trend just yet. Yup, definitely not for everybody.

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[safeorigin]

I wonder how many in the top 20 in the Argentina leg of the EWS ran plus tires?

Also, I agree there is higher volume on the plus tires but the true benefit would be to run them at low pressures, which sort of negates the point. Trust me, the sidewalls are not robust enough at this point in time to run all out on a DH track like Patiis or Danasan unless you pump it with so much air it'll be like riding a bucking horse.

And yes, current plus-sized tires are for riders who need help on technical tracks. Those who can ride the gnar on good old 2.35 to 2.5 tires will probably not jump on to this industry trend just yet. Yup, definitely not for everybody.

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well, at least not for the regular consumer. Those who have access to the prototype version of the minions and vittoria though from I gather will be 2.6 like old school DH tires thanks to rims getting wider and wider.

but hey, things can change.

people said the same thing about 29ers years ago but Moseley dominates EWS in it despite bigger wheels being inherently "weaker" than 26 and 27.5

but I can live with plus tire. I ride after all to have fun and have a bigger grin than the rest

[safeorigin]

back in the day, nokian gazzaloddi 26 x 3.0 were the bees knees downhill tires.

looks like its second coming is upon us with the advent of surly dirt wizard 27.5 x 3.0...

[safeorigin]

deeeyyyym... I might have found the skinniest enduro tire ever!

[safeorigin]

http://www.mtbonline.co.za/downloads...llustrated.pdf

hmmm, interesting article.

for some reason, wider tires with lower pressures go faster on rough terrain than narrower tires with higher pressures.

I can attest to the findings that I consistently go faster on lower pressures on my Mezcals. but I'm just a scrub.

Nino Schurter, on the other hand, runs 50mm tubulars running relatively lower pressure. almost like cyclocross where low pressure tubs are king. hmmm...

well, I've reconsidered my project build again with your inputs. I'll be running onza citius instead of the nobby nic 2.8 I planned months ago.

remarkably though, I only lose 18% more volume and 2.5mm of overall width(63.5mm vs 66mm) with the swap

lol

so in the end, I end up with a better combination with superior damping, durability, rolling characteristics, and carcass suppleness, and none of the negatives associated with plus tires.

[Verbl Kint]

Take note: Aaron Gwin is an Onza rider but doesn't actually use Onzas during races so you might want to think about that before buying.

Btw, the Nokians were a novelty but they were **** to ride on. Take it from someone who's used it before.

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[safeorigin]

Ah, you mean the blackened out tires that Aaron Gwin uses?



it's actually an "unreleased" Onza tire using GRP40 compound. At least, that's what his personal mechanic says.

but yeah... the tires he uses do look like Maxxis Tires. The Ibex resembles Highrollers while the Citius resembles Minion DHF. The Greina looks like a Shorty. but of course, the similarities don't stop there! they're also manufactured by the same company - Cheng Shin Tire

but I won't be using that compound. I'm more interested with their regular dual compounds in regular 60 TPI in SW version so I can ride it in comfort and not suffer too much from rolling resistance.

[safeorigin]

looks like we'll see plus sized enduro bikes in Megavalanche this year.