Lymph Node question

[JJB]

Agree with dr d that you go to an internist that subspecializes in pulmo or infectious disease first to determine the cause of enlarged lymph nodes. Acute infection, TB, etc can cause enlarged lymph nodes in the neck. The pulmo or infectious specialist will work you up then either treat you or refer to a surgeon, depending on the probable diagnosis.
* You go straight to a surgeon, you get surgery


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draiman,

Ito advise ko hindi western medicine pero malupet itong doctor na ito. I think he is ongpin best kept secret. Dr tan ci shou, a traditional chinese medicine doctor. Grabe sa umaga super pila!!!!! I think around 150people and sinabihan ako security guard eh may times daw sa week na 300-400 a day patient !!!

Try to research muna about him if you are not comfortable sa ganito klase gamutan.

But dito lang ako nakakita na araw-araw pila talo pa st lukes.

Kaya ko sinabi ongpin's best kept secret kasi sa dami ng patients nya eh hindi pa nafefeature sa media. No advertisement, No karatula sa building na may doctor doon, no telephone number, not even a secretary.

Basta any opera na remove body organ eh think 1000times. Saan ko ba nabasa na once naoperahan eh you are never the same.

[kagalingan]

Ito may nagblog na pala kay Dr. Tan Ci Shou way back year 2012

http://muckingaroundmanila.blogspot....nd-manila.html

THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 9, 2012

Jericho took me out one sunny Sunday, as we were both hankering for some vegetarian chow. I also sorely needed to get back to my Naturopathic doctor in Ongpin for a long overdue checkup as well, and he was curious about what the heck a naturopath was and how drinking all that disgusting tea has kept my hypothyroid at bay. He wanted to get checked up, too, so we decided to make a day of it.

After picking me up, we headed for the Manila Adventist's Medical Center for lunch. I know! How weird is it to choose to have lunch at a hospital? Known only to a few omnivores and popular among the local herbivores, the Manila Adventist's Medical Center (formerly Manila Sanitarium) has been home to one of the most affordable vegetarian restaurants around, Healthy Bites Vegetarian Restaurant.

More like a cross between a college lunch room and a hospital cafeteria, walking into the place always gets you a bit excited to see what marvelous things they've whipped up that day using veggie meat. Yes, veggie meat. The set meal of a cup of rice, a choice of vegetable entrée, and a Veggie Meat Meal (P75) is pretty affordable, and the place is also well stocked with Soy Milk (P20) and Jericho's favorite chilled Taho (P25).

Jericho had a veggie meat steak with what I think was chopsuey. I'm not sure, since it disappeared down his gullet pretty fast. That shiz was good!

Before leaving, I stocked up on Veggie Meat (P120 - P150 a tin) as well as Cheese Rolls (P25), which I ended up giving away to friends to try (and so they'd stop giving me that weird look for voluntarily eating at a hospital cafeteria). As for the rest of the cheese rolls, I think Jericho had his slyly squirreled away his own stash. Hmf.

Happily stuffed with soy, we headed for Ongpin to visit Dr. Tan Ci Shou, another Manila secret and one of the best Naturopathic doctors this side of the China Sea. Dr. Tan practices traditional Chinese medicine, which involves unorthodox methods to the Western eye - feeling your pulse, checking your tongue, and asking you a few questions during the examination whilst looking incredibly disinterested with your condition. Oh, he also has a thing about mobile phones. The only way I can best describe it is that he's trained to read your Kirlian aura, and the mobile signals seem to interfere with that, which pisses him off. Don't even pretend you didn't read all the signs that say, "Please turn off your cellphone" and leave it on silent mode 'coz he knows it's still on and he won't see a patient until the stubborn idiot who thinks he can get away with it learns to follow instructions. "Ay, nakalimutan ko! Naka-silent lang pala." ("Oh, I totally forgot I left my phone on silent mode.") Try pulling that **** on him and he, along with the horde of patients at the make-shift clinic, will unceremoniously escort you out by way of Tagalog and Cantonese cursing.

But if you want a second opinion, or have a disease that's taking too long to cure, or whose drugs are detrimental to your health, I strongly recommend him. He's the guy doctors at St. Lukes recommend when they don't know what to do with you anymore. He's the guy the owner of St. Lukes goes to, as well as Mayor Lim and a few other politicians and celebrities. In fact, I was recommended to him by a politician's daughter whose mom regularly goes there, too. I had a really bad hypothyroid when I was constantly stressed working at Groupon Philippines (I think my neck ballooned to that of John Cena's at one point) and he made it behave in five days by making me drink disgusting tea. Disgusting, but super effective. What's that old Chinese proverb about yucky tea?

We parked near Binondo Church and walked to the Fu-Yong Mansion. I had warned J of turning his phone off beforehand, so he was set. The clinic wasn't as packed as it is during the rest of the week, as there were only a couple of people before us. Dr. Tan's son who also practices traditional Chinese medicine came in, and I ended up getting a consult from him. The last time I was there it was his sister who saw me (yes, they are all schooled in traditional Chinese medicine), and after handing him my old prescription of unintelligible Chinese characters, he proceeded to scribble down a new one for me which I think consists of all the same stinky herbs. He was pretty happy I take my medicine in tea form, because it goes straight to your bloodstream and does its magic right away.

Jericho was next, and since it was his first time there and his comprehension for Chinese Tagalog wasn't so good, one of the interpreters had to help him translate the good doctor's Tagalog into real Tagalog. Haha! The younger Dr. Tan proceeded to feel J's pulse, asking him his usual questions, "Ilang taon na ikaw? Ikaw ba ay malakas inom alak? Patingin ng dila mo. Ano pakilamdam mo?" (How old are you? Do you drink a lot of alcohol? Let me see your tongue. What are you feeling?) He had been suffering from an annoying cough and a case of the sniffles, both obstinate to go away after a round of Solmux and her American counterpart, Mucinex. Turns out he has a weak liver, which he should be wary of, as well as weak lungs, which are connected to his sinus, which explains the cough-and-cold double team... or something to that extent. "Ikaw pili tableta o laga?" J chose taking tablets. He knew what he'd be in for if he'd chosen the tea.

The younger Dr. Tan scribbled down his prescription in unintelligible Cantonese and handed J a few pieces of paper on food he can't eat. After saying thank you and paying the P400 consultation fee, we made our way to Ching Tay Chinese Drugstore, the Hogwarts' potion class supplier around the corner. The little Chinese "pharmacy" is a hodge-podge of dried roots, flowers, stems, mushrooms, bark and what have you, all stuffed away in dusty little boxes and glass shelves. I showed J the fierce little Chinese grandma that runs the place, kicking it old school with her abacus and shouting orders at her staff. My prescription was its usual P500 for a five-day supply of tea taken twice a day. Not bad, especially if you think of the more costly alternative. And with this being all tea, the only side effect I have to worry about is going to the bathroom a lot. J's 4-day supply of tablets were a mere P300, and his coughing and sniffling went away soon after.

[dr. d]

draiman,

Ito advise ko hindi western medicine pero malupet itong doctor na ito. I think he is ongpin best kept secret. Dr tan ci shou, a traditional chinese medicine doctor. Grabe sa umaga super pila!!!!! I think around 150people and sinabihan ako security guard eh may times daw sa week na 300-400 a day patient !!!

Try to research muna about him if you are not comfortable sa ganito klase gamutan.

But dito lang ako nakakita na araw-araw pila talo pa st lukes.

Kaya ko sinabi ongpin's best kept secret kasi sa dami ng patients nya eh hindi pa nafefeature sa media. No advertisement, No karatula sa building na may doctor doon, no telephone number, not even a secretary.

Basta any opera na remove body organ eh think 1000times. Saan ko ba nabasa na once naoperahan eh you are never the same.

"and watch the disease advance from stage 1 to stage 3." - old medical school joke.

i'm a western-trained doctor. so if i am asked, my answer is, "i was not trained in that; i don't know if that will work or not."
but my standard advice is always "see a (western-trained) doctor".

btw, many illnesses will just go away on their own, "despite our treatments".
guess who gets the credit.

heh heh.

[shadow]

Kasi patay na mga patients niya Before nila masabi na hind effective yan dr sa ongpin


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If hindi effective si dr tan ci shou eh hindi yan pupuntahan araw-araw na jampacked.

Try going there ng saturday and sunday morning. Walang binatbat hospital sa dami nakapila.

And i saw people na hindi ko akalain pupunta doon.

[dr. d]

If hindi effective si dr tan ci shou eh hindi yan pupuntahan araw-araw na jampacked.

Try going there ng saturday and sunday morning. Walang binatbat hospital sa dami nakapila.

And i saw people na hindi ko akalain pupunta doon.

by the same logic, the horserace betting stations are full of bettors, because a lot of them win.

kags, consider the placebo effect.

also, magkano daw ang singil ni dr. tan ci shou?
because, that might be another factor why many clients go to his establishment.

another reason why patients go to these "un-orthodox centers", is that they believe western medicine has given up on them.

[shadow]

No difference from faith healers, sino pa yun sikat na faith healer nun Time ni Marcos na People from all over the world pinupuntahan siya dito. Patients end up dying in their countries. Dahil walang nangyari pero healed na daw. 🤣


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dokie and shaider

I think mag20years na sya dito pinas. Consultation fee 400pesos and 95% accurate diagnosis by checking both pulse and tongue. Whats good about him eh hindi mo kailangan sabihin ano problem mo eh matatancha nya. Pero syempre hindi perfect you need to tell after macheck pulso and dila. Tell your symptoms. There is something about old school tcm kaya effective. Iba yan sa current tcm na widely popular sa america. I trust the old school.

The herbs is prepared by a chinese drugstore name ching tay. It will cost you depende. Pwede 400 good for 3 days, pwede 800 for 5-7days. Pwede din 1,800 for 7 na araw. It depends sa mixture of herbs.

Why he is so popular? Yes mga inayawan ng hospital eh gumaling sa kanya pero not perfect. He will tell hindi sya diyos. And ang natawa ako yung mga napagaling nya nagvovolunteer secretary sa kanya if super jampacked. There is a lady na may bone cancer dati. 5years na gamutan gumaling. I was told that bone cancer is the most painful among all cancer.

Yung faith healing na sinasabi nyo eh scam yan. Sisikat yan for a year or two but not almost 20years. Pag ganyan na katagal eh legit ka na. And faith healing eh wants attention. Ito si dr tan wala advertisement. Kahit sa tv ayaw magpainterview.

And healing is better with tcm if hindi ka pa nagchemotherapy. Pag nachemo na eh mas matagal gamutan. Too much damage na.

[dr. d]

dokie and shaider

I think mag20years na sya dito pinas. Consultation fee 400pesos and 95% accurate diagnosis by checking both pulse and tongue. Whats good about him eh hindi mo kailangan sabihin ano problem mo eh matatancha nya. Pero syempre hindi perfect you need to tell after macheck pulso and dila. Tell your symptoms. There is something about old school tcm kaya effective. Iba yan sa current tcm na widely popular sa america. I trust the old school.

The herbs is prepared by a chinese drugstore name ching tay. It will cost you depende. Pwede 400 good for 3 days, pwede 800 for 5-7days. Pwede din 1,800 for 7 na araw. It depends sa mixture of herbs.

Why he is so popular? Yes mga inayawan ng hospital eh gumaling sa kanya pero not perfect. He will tell hindi sya diyos. And ang natawa ako yung mga napagaling nya nagvovolunteer secretary sa kanya if super jampacked. There is a lady na may bone cancer dati. 5years na gamutan gumaling. I was told that bone cancer is the most painful among all cancer.

Yung faith healing na sinasabi nyo eh scam yan. Sisikat yan for a year or two but not almost 20years. Pag ganyan na katagal eh legit ka na. And faith healing eh wants attention. Ito si dr tan wala advertisement. Kahit sa tv ayaw magpainterview.

And healing is better with tcm if hindi ka pa nagchemotherapy. Pag nachemo na eh mas matagal gamutan. Too much damage na.

well, i am confident, his patients know what to say about the experience.
95% accuracy? without even a comprehensive interview? "that, i have to see."
but my chinese colleagues who live in the area, have never mentioned him. and when their loved ones get really sick, they consult western physicians. i wonder why.

you and i,
we're outsiders, trying to look in.