Human Cloning Issues

[Cale]

Human Cloning is absolutely illegal here in United States..and the punishment is so harsh, i am not in favor of cloning of any kind, let time take its toll...BUT i do in favor of stem cell research. its just like modifying the DNA sequence of a cell but not the whole human being...its very useful in targeting those who have genetic predisposition to a lot of medical problems like Diabetes type 2, Coronary artery disease as well as Cancers to name a few. if ever successful then we can alter the DNA sequences of future humans making them free from this genetic problems..This stem cell research should not be use for any other kind except for eradicating medical problems that are genetically predisposed...thanks a lot
have a great day and peace out
cale eric

[ghosthunter]

oo nga pala...anong cloning pinag-uusapan? whole body or like tenga lang? :lol:

kita ko kse sa discovery channel one e :mrgreen:

its cloning issue taken as a whole... just a part or whole body, its thrown into the same basket.

[gulliver]

...religious and moral issues, hmmm.

religious, i think this revolves around a Tower of Babel scenario(?). mankind has placed satellites into orbit, and shuttles men to and from other planets; computers are connecting people like never before...but doubt if the world is coming to an end. in short, i doubt if the Lord Almighty (at least in my lifetime) is going to punish us for these accomplishments. he gave us a mind capable of doing many things...man's mind (only a fraction is actually utilized by the average man) is limited only by man's own perceptions of the "limit". despite that, many truly talented people have accomplished more good for mankind, than bad, i think. cloning is now within man's reach, but is yet to realize perfection. how far can we go? i really don't know, and trying to find out has its risks. i believe those risks are acceptable and we should be responsible for them.

man playing God? huh? we think we or others do sometimes, in our own homes with our families, in our communities, in our courts, on our farms, in the labs of our scientists, even on the internet... but seriously, how could we ever be like God? to liken ourselves and our accomplishments to God and His accomplishments, seriously underestimates His being and His power. :lol:

moral issues, do you mean is it right or is it wrong? i think what should be asked is..."what for?" in other words, the intention is the issue. if its for a good cause, then bravo for mankind! but if its to propagate evil agendas, then a way should be found to control if not eliminate those people behind such agendas...but do not destroy the science, and deny a man's destiny.

in short, pro ako. PEACE :wink:

[Karding]

gulliver, yan sana ang reply ko, pero very well said kapatid!!! Yan ang outline ng pang counter ko sa babanat ng 'playing god' issues. thumbs up! 8)

karding, iho,....balik mo na lang sa *** ang topic para meron ****s errrr.... facts pala, para madaling kunan ng source sa pag input

happiman, maya-maya balik tayo sa ganung usapan :mrgreen:

[kiper]

gulliver,

wow..galeng..!!

u said it very well.

clap clap clap..!!

[gretzy]

kiper, ginawa mo na palang sig si ms pharung ah! :twisted:

[Karding]

LEGAL ISSUES:

Why does the US Gov't has to stop the research? It's because of the accompanying RELIGIOUS ISSUES. How about the people who don't believe in GOD? Don't ATHEIST has the RIGHT TO CHOOSE too? Why do US Gov't has to CATER the NEEDS of those SO CALLED CATHOLICS? Does being a CATHOLIC makes them more human than ATHEIST that we have to IGNORE the needs and wants of ATHEIST?

The question about possibility of HUMAN CLONING lies on this arguement. We cannot continue the research if the research itself is stopped.

DANGEROUS RESEARCH ISSUES:

Do you actually think MEDICINE RESEARCH isn't as dangerous as the CLONING RESEARCH? Heck, even SPACE EXPLORATIONS is as dangerous as anything else. If we are concerned about the DANGER of every research, maybe we should stop the MARS Exploration Project where HUMAN BONE DENSITY is the main problem or any further RESEARCH on ANYTHING. Like what gulliver said, everything in life has it's accompanying risks, it is for us to handle and overcome each risks.

Human Organs ONLY and not the WHOLE HUMAN.

Why Human Organs only? Why not go all the way? Did we stopped when the Ford Model T was invented? Or did Cadillac reinvented the ALL NEW STS? If you think HUMAN CLONING is playing GOD, why do you think HUMAN ORGAN CLONING isn't playing GOD? Afterall, when accident happens, CATHOLICS argue that GOD made it happen. The ability of CLONING HUMANS/ORGANS was a given gift from GOD (If you really wanna argue about the Playing GOD issues) Why not be thankful for the GOD GIVEN GIFT to CLONE HUMANS/ORGANS?

[kiper]

oo nga..kung meron talaga GOD..it's HIS will after all..

[Karding]

oo nga..kung meron talaga GOD..it's HIS will after all..

yup!


End of Argument for AGAINST CLONING ppl? :lol:

Thank you very much for all inputs, much appreciated. 8)

[odell]

sa totoo lang ang hirap ng topic na iniwan sa atin ni karding

karding, iho,....balik mo na lang sa *** ang topic

:lol: alryt!

hehehe ok sa reaction a! :lol:

tama.. ibalik nln.. hehehe.. skait ng ulo ko sa kakaicip ng ipopost ko eh :lol: :lol:

[Karding]

c'mon ppl, I need more arguments....help me out :mrgreen:

oi odell, pa clone ka na lang para dami posts mo :lol:

[gulliver]

Karding / Kiper

Glad you liked the post, thank you :D

Karding, you certainly have some valid points there (your post at 12:15 this morning) that can be fleshed out some more. If you can get a better idea of the risks involved, and suggest ways to control/alleviate them, you'll have a more solid defense or position to work from. good luck!

[odell]

c'mon ppl, I need more arguments....help me out :mrgreen:

oi odell, pa clone ka na lang para dami posts mo :lol:

kaya ko toh mag isa.. aya ko ng copycat :evil:

[kiper]

odell,

kaya mo yan!! konti na lang..1,000 na..!!:twisted:

gulliver,

ur welcome!:D

Karding,

so kelan natin papaclone si odell..un na lang ung turuan natin ng tamang off-roading..!!:mrgreen:

[pajerokid]

Cloning.

I dont favor cloning humans. Human parts, ok lang. But not whole humans.....

[Karding]

pajerokid, I need more supporting statement than that :mrgreen:

gulliver, I specially liked your analogy about playing GOD. 8)

kiper, mukhang di umu-ubra si odell sa Off-roading ah :mrgreen:

Ears = You are in favor of this cloning but what makes you think this is by GOD?
Clone Humans = not by GOD?
Double-standard.
It should be BOTH human parts and human beings that you oppose..if you do.

The question of "How should we call a HUMAN CLONE" is just as simple as calling them HUMANS. Maybe the process can be called HUMAN CLONE but as soon as the baby comes out, we can call them HUMAN. Afterall, birth is a miracle made by GOD (according to CATHOLICS) so we all know that, it is GOD's WILL to make this happen. Thus, the argument of RELIGIOUS beliefs fades away...

[mrholyman]

The thing is we will never know how far human cloning could possibly go. I read in an article that even if we were able to clone a human being. The replica would still not be the same person as the original one because the replica will not have the same experiences as the original one. It is said that as we form our memories, and experiences our brains create new connections(synapses?). If a person were to be cloned the replica will need to experience in every detail everything that the original person experienced for them to be the same. It also said that a human brain is almost impossible to clone(don't ask me) (also forgot what article this is)

BUT..... we don't know maybe in the future this problem could be overcome like in the movie 6th day. Remember the two arnolds?? (stupid movie)

I am PRO-cloning because of its implications in medical and scientific research. But if the above paragraph is the case (where when you clone a human, you get a totally different person). Then that means that human cloning will only be done when there is a need for different organs for transplant or stem cells or whatever tissues that will be needed by the original. So if you need a new liver, lets just make a new liver. Cloning, then, will not be done to transfer the "memories" of one person into another. There will also be no need to clone a complete human, just the parts, or organs.

BUT... what if there are organs or cells that could not be created without cloning the entire human. Then this will look like that the clone is just a "thing" to be harvested for its components.

this is a totally different person from the original one.
would you call the clone a person given that it matured without any memories.

theres a lot in my mind... I hope I said the words in a way that makes sense to the tsikoters

[gulliver]

BUT... what if there are organs or cells that could not be created without cloning the entire human. Then this will look like that the clone is just a "thing" to be harvested for its components.

this is a totally different person from the original one.
would you call the clone a person given that it matured without any memories.

this probably sums up what bothers you about the issue. can't deny that this example you gave bothers me too.

[pryoper]

pro po ako sa cloning kasi po we are in environment so we must accept the developments of technologies...

[Haruto]

this probably sums up what bothers you about the issue. can't deny that this example you gave bothers me too.

I believe the cloning the certain parts only of a biological creature was already here or there is a research on it already. I believe its called stem cell research/cloning. I think.. hehhehe.