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    Early ‘lab-grown’ Covid virus found in sample lends weight to Wuhan theory

    An early version of Covid-19 that appears to have been grown in a laboratory has been discovered in samples from a Chinese biotechnology firm.

    The finding lends weight to claims that the virus may have started life as a lab experiment that accidentally leaked out.

    Bioinformatics experts from the University of Veterinary Medicine and Lorand University in Budapest, Hungary, made the discovery by accident while examining genetic data from soil samples collected from Antarctica in late 2018 and early 2019.

    The samples were sent to Sangon Biotech in Shanghai for sequencing in Dec 2019, where they became contaminated with a previously unknown variant of Covid-19.

    The variant has mutations that bridge the gap between bat coronavirus and the earliest Wuhan strain, so it may be an ancestral version of the virus.

    The samples also contain DNA from hamsters and monkeys, suggesting that the early virus may have been grown in animal cell lines.

    Sangon Biotech is frequently used by Chinese scientists for sequencing, including the Wuhan Institute of Virology, which some experts think is the most likely location for a leak.

    The exact date at which the DNA extraction took place is uncertain. However, researchers say that if it took place in December 2019, the virus could be the ancestor of the original human Wuhan strain.

    If it was sequenced in early 2020, it may have been contaminated from experiments carried out by researchers trying to learn more about the emerging virus.

    Dr Jesse Bloom, a virologist from the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Centre in Seattle, re-ran the data and confirmed that the Antarctic samples did contain Covid-19 which had three key mutations which brought bat coronaviruses closer to the first human Wuhan strain, Wuhan-Hu-1.

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    #36042
    ^^^

    leave the lab leak theory to the experts daw

    basta hindi pa confirmed by mainstream media, conspiracy theory lang yan

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    at about the start of covid season,
    i already read that some labs in wuhan were working on legitimate coronavirus research, as a tool for manufacturing vaccines more effectively.
    somewhere along the line, the virus escaped.

    the best medium to grow conspiracy theory in,
    is the medium of hindered information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dr. d View Post
    at about the start of covid season,
    i already read that some labs in wuhan were working on legitimate coronavirus research, as a tool for manufacturing vaccines more effectively.
    somewhere along the line, the virus escaped.

    the best medium to grow conspiracy theory in,
    is the medium of hindered information.
    yes it's legit research -- the goal was to prevent the next SARS-1

    (i didn't say it was for bioweapons or other purpose)

    chinese scientists were collecting samples from bat caves all over china (and perhaps other asian countries) and bringing the samples to labs in wuhan

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    since scientists cannot wait for viruses to evolve to infect humans they needed to accelerate evolution by introducing genes that'll make viruses capable of infecting humans (recombination takes place in nature but takes time so you speed it up in the lab) --> gain of function

    one of those lab created viruses may have escaped -- a staff could have been infected and went home and spread it in the community
    Last edited by uls; February 13th, 2022 at 01:38 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    what if the virus is like airborne HIV

    those who got infected and "recovered" aren't really recovered

    the virus may be depleting immune cells and AIDS-like symptoms will manifest later

    what if that's what china knows kaya zero covid policy sila
    airborne immune-system-destroying-virus




    buy hey i'm no expert

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    Quote Originally Posted by shadow View Post
    Dahil nga sa Omicron but vaccine still can save lives and Hospitalization.


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    Kahit pa sa delta or earlier na surge… walang pilitan…

    Quote Originally Posted by Yatta View Post
    Agree ako na walang pilitan kung ayaw. Pero huwag din sila mag-reklamo if they cannot enjoy the priviledges those vaxxed enjoy.

    No to descrimination ako sa non vax… yung idescrimate yung hindi nga fofollow ng minimum safety protocol…

    Naawa ako sa mga hindi vaccinated pero hindi tinatanggap for hospitalization… covid19 positive with vaxxed or not vax na need ng hospitalization dapat sila ihospital… for what purpose hindi sila ihospital…


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    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    ^^^

    leave the lab leak theory to the experts daw

    basta hindi pa confirmed by mainstream media, conspiracy theory lang yan
    Doubt na din ako sino sa mga experts na nagsasabi ng katotohanan ngayon…

    Expert na taga wuhan mismo or yung expert na wala sa wuhan…


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    Quote Originally Posted by ray_noel View Post
    Kahit pa sa delta or earlier na surge… walang pilitan…



    No to descrimination ako sa non vax… yung idescrimate yung hindi nga fofollow ng minimum safety protocol…

    Naawa ako sa mga hindi vaccinated pero hindi tinatanggap for hospitalization… covid19 positive with vaxxed or not vax na need ng hospitalization dapat sila ihospital… for what purpose hindi sila ihospital…


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    i do not believe the hospital won't admit non-vaxxeds that are infected with covid, if there is need for hospitalization naman...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ray_noel View Post
    Doubt na din ako sino sa mga experts na nagsasabi ng katotohanan ngayon…

    Expert na taga wuhan mismo or yung expert na wala sa wuhan…


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    it's more like sino mga expert na nasa payroll ng Establishment

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    may mga expert takot maglabas ng opinion kontra sa official narrative

    coz they're afraid masira career nila

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    sa panahon na ito even science is politicized

    di mapagkatiwalaan mga experto
    Last edited by uls; February 13th, 2022 at 05:21 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ray_noel View Post
    Naawa ako sa mga hindi vaccinated pero hindi tinatanggap for hospitalization… covid19 positive with vaxxed or not vax na need ng hospitalization dapat sila ihospital… for what purpose hindi sila ihospital…
    to punish them for not subscribing the official line of thinking

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    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    it's more like sino mga expert na nasa payroll ng Establishment

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    may mga expert takot maglabas ng opinion kontra sa official narrative

    coz they're afraid masira career nila

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    sa panahon na ito even science is politicized

    di mapagkatiwalaan mga experto
    Yup,Lahat na yata politicized sa panahon na ito…


    Sana huwag lang bahala si batman… someone should stood and be punished sa nangyaring pandemic na ito…


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    Quote Originally Posted by ray_noel View Post
    Yup,Lahat na yata politicized sa panahon na ito…


    Sana huwag lang bahala si batman… someone should stood and be punished sa nangyaring pandemic na ito…


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    but we should punish the really guilty, and not the convenient scapegoat.
    heh heh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dr. d View Post
    i do not believe the hospital won't admit non-vaxxeds that are infected with covid, if there is need for hospitalization naman...
    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    to punish them for not subscribing the official line of thinking
    Kahit hindi positive, basta hindi vaccinated di sila pwede mag undergo ng major operations (saw some news)….

    Also, if vaxxed ka what makes you superior sa mga hindi vax… why impose discrimination to our fellow humans…


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    Quote Originally Posted by ray_noel View Post
    Yup,Lahat na yata politicized sa panahon na ito…


    Sana huwag lang bahala si batman… someone should stood and be punished sa nangyaring pandemic na ito…


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    who should be punished? china?

    who outsourced coronavirus research to china?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ray_noel View Post
    Kahit pa sa delta or earlier na surge… walang pilitan…



    No to descrimination ako sa non vax… yung idescrimate yung hindi nga fofollow ng minimum safety protocol…

    Naawa ako sa mga hindi vaccinated pero hindi tinatanggap for hospitalization… covid19 positive with vaxxed or not vax na need ng hospitalization dapat sila ihospital… for what purpose hindi sila ihospital…


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    Saan mo nakita ito? My father just underwent a thyroidectomy at PGH. While they know he was vaxxed and boostered they do not have such a policy na "no vax, no admittance". All they asked was a negative Covid test result for at least 48hrs before admittance. I think what you mean is during the surges when all hospitals were becoming overwhelmed when they only admitted the worst/emergency cases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dr. d View Post
    but we should punish the really guilty, and not the convenient scapegoat.
    heh heh.
    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    who should be punished? china?

    who outsourced coronavirus research to china?
    Maglagay ng malaking bounty… world most wanted ang tao na yan…. Hirap hulihin nyan… ang mangyayari nito is magiging part ng history lang ito…


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    Quote Originally Posted by Yatta View Post
    Saan mo nakita ito? My father just underwent a thyroidectomy at PGH. While they know he was vaxxed and boostered they do not have such a policy na "no vax, no admittance". All they asked was a negative Covid test result for at least 48hrs before admittance. I think what you mean is during the surges when all hospitals were becoming overwhelmed when they only admitted the worst/emergency cases.
    Not in PH though….


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    Quote Originally Posted by ray_noel View Post
    Also, if vaxxed ka what makes you superior sa mga hindi vax… why impose discrimination to our fellow humans…


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    governments are doing that intentionally to make life difficult for the unvaxxed

    to force the unvaxxed to obey the official line of thinking -- get vaxxed so you don't infect others

    even if current vaccines don't prevent infection and transmission

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monseratto View Post




    most of those monoclonal antibodies no longer work

    they can't bind to omicron's spike
    Last edited by uls; February 13th, 2022 at 06:49 PM.

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