China Corona Virus Outbreak

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Lockdown is not a permanent solution to this pandemic, alam ng Tao mas lalong alam natin lahat dito.

Ano ba talaga dahilan bakit nag lockdown tayo? Huwag na pagusapan reason ng ibang bansa dahil wala naman tayo doon.

Hinde talaga sustainable na mag lockdown ng mag lockdown obviously dahil hinde naman bobo mga tao dito, alam din natin lahat yan.

Band-Aid solution until siguro bakunahan majority ng population, para hinde ma overwhelm health care system, last year lahat ng quote dito yan ang laman, kaya mag lockdown para hinde umaapaw Healthcare system. Ngayon with the delta variant, hinde na applicable.

Sobrang laki na ba nadagdag sa capacity ng mga hospitals or kahit yun mga quarantine sites? Remember again sa mga quote ko lang nabasa na matagal ang stay sa hospital ng 1 covid patient 14 days and more then kailangan naka isolate pa.

Kung kaya na ng health care system to accommodate the expected surge then don't do a lockdown simple as that.

So ang tanong kaya ba?

It's like meron konting tulo yun bubong ng bahay mo tapos hinde mo muna pa ayos dahil antayin muna na lumakas at kailangan maglagay ng balde bago gawin eh pero meron alam mo meron parating na bagyo, so pabayaan mo na lang or tapalan mo muna before dumating yun bagyo at least to tide you over then saka mo pagawa ng tama or meron talagang tao ang mentality is bahala na kaya pag dating ng bagyo, malakas ulan, binaha na yun bahay saka magmadali umakyat ng bubong para tapalan habang malakas hangin at ulan, kaya hinde na dumikit pantapal at bumaha na sa loob ng bahay saka mag sisi na sana habang ma araw pa tinapa lan na ng vulcaseal.

Parehas yan ng surge ngayon for Healthcare system.

Eh yun nga sinasabi ng govt before dumami mag lockdown na before ma overwhelm ang System.

Simple lang diba?

On the other side. Ayusin implementation kasi for me if you're gonna do it haphazardly as with everything then don't do at all na lang.


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[dr. d]

independent observers have observed that numbers improve, following lockdowns.
is this raison de etre?
i do not know.
i'm not an expert.

[uls]

they did? how many are they?

how many others are the silent majority? what's their vote? do you speak for them also?

nevermind doc

being quite active in this thread i thought you'd pick up the sentiment of people posting here

[uls]

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Alarmist

yan lang nabasa ko

[uls]

independent observers have observed that numbers improve, following lockdowns.
is this raison de etre?
i do not know.
i'm not an expert.

not an expert but numbers improve regardless

the virus spread in India unhindered

all waves come and go

[misseksaherada]

Gusto ko pa naman yang Novovax/Covovax.. Malabo na pala..
Wala na bang polls dito.. Pero feeling ko naman ayaw na ng lahat ng quarantine.. Pero nangingibabaw lang ang takot na magkaroon ng C19 dahil wala pa gamot..
Alam naman ng lahat na kahit vaccinated ka, pwede pa din mahawa at may small possibility pa din na critical pa din kahit vaccinated ang patient.. Ang nakakatakot pa dun, hindi ka kaya iligtas ng pera kahit may budget ka pang-hospital..
Kailangan ng 100% guarantee na mabuhay.. Kahit close lang sa 100% gagawin ang lahat ng paraan makaiwas lang mahawa ng C19.. Kaya ayan quarantine na lang lagi, magpabakuna na kahit hindi pa sigurado ang mga possible na side effects para ma-achieve lang ang close to 100% na makaiwas sa C19..

May iba pa bang choice?

Ang dami kasing kailangan i-adjust.. Kahit ang face mask at face shield mahirap ma-achieve ang 100% compliance..

Ang labo na tuloy ng future..

[uls]

Gusto ko pa naman yang Novovax/Covovax.. Malabo na pala..

nasa PH FDA na ang EUA application ng Novavax pero di pa natin alam kailan ang approval

ang theory ko may special interest group (sa abroad) ayaw ma-approve muna ang Novavax

dahil mataas ang efficacy nito (may laban sa mRNA or better)

di ko alam kung maimpluwensiyahan ng special interest group ang FDA natin na idelay ang approval

again, theory ko lang

[thearsenal1205]

May iba pa bang choice?

Ang dami kasing kailangan i-adjust.. Kahit ang face mask at face shield mahirap ma-achieve ang 100% compliance..

Ang labo na tuloy ng future..

Kung possible sana na tumira sa ibang planeta puede pa eh..

I'm worried din sa future. Mukhang forever na tayong ganito na loophole ng mga lockdowns.

[uls]

we don't even know if this global vaccination effort will produce the desired outcome

it's already being shown that vaccine can only protect against severity

it doesn't prevent transmission

in delta-infected people, swabs from the nose of vaccinated and unvaccinated show the same high viral load (pcr ct value in the 20s)

right now the narrative is unvaccinated people are the problem

question: will the bodies of vaccinated people be a practice gym for the virus to develop mutations?

since vaccine can't prevent transmission, will vaccinated people shed more powerful variants?

if yes, then pharma will be on constant catch-up making boosters for ever more powerful variants

similar to what's happening in the war against bacteria where they have to keep making new antibiotics coz older antibiotics are no longer effective

[dr. d]

we don't even know if this global vaccination effort will produce the desired outcome

it's already being shown that vaccine can only protect against severity

it doesn't prevent transmission

in delta-infected people, swabs from the nose of vaccinated and unvaccinated show the same high viral load (pcr ct value in the 20s)

right now the narrative is unvaccinated people are the problem

question: will the bodies of vaccinated people be a practice gym for the virus to develop mutations?

since vaccine can't prevent transmission, will vaccinated people shed more powerful variants?

if yes, then pharma will be on constant catch-up making boosters for ever more powerful variants

similar to what's happening in the war against bacteria where they have to keep making new antibiotics coz older antibiotics are no longer effective

what is your recommendation?

[uls]

what is your recommendation?

i don't know

1889-1890, 1918-1920 influenza pandemics went away on their own without vaccine

21st century humans are managing this pandemic differently -- with a lot of intervention (lockdowns, monoclonal antibodies, vaccine, antivirals soon)

what if the interventions are prolonging the pandemic?

[kagalingan]

question: will the bodies of vaccinated people be a practice gym for the virus to develop mutations?

since vaccine can't prevent transmission, will vaccinated people shed more powerful variants?

if yes, then pharma will be on constant catch-up making boosters for ever more powerful variants

Last year pa pinaguusapan ng mga homies ko sa international health forum yan. Mas delikadengdeng mutation pag bakunado.

Kaya ako pag makipag date eh tablahin ko na pag flight stewardess. Mga sureball bakunado ng mRNA yan. Mas mahigpit pa airlines sa medical community.

May kachat ako nurse ayaw pavaccine.

[thearsenal1205]

May kachat ako nurse ayaw pavaccine.

why ayaw niyan pavaccine? is she worried to be turned into a zombie when she is vaccinated?

[cast_no_shadow]

why ayaw niyan pavaccine? is she worried to be turned into a zombie when she is vaccinated?

Brainwashed ni Kags [emoji3577]


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[uls]

100+ years ago there was no genome sequencing

humans didn't have to do this



now we're chasing "variants"

walang katapusan ito

the Greek alphabet won't be enough

nasa Delta palang tayo nag lockdown na uli

Question: is technology prolonging this pandemic?

they will not run out of variants to scare us with

[dr. d]

i don't know

1889-1890, 1918-1920 influenza pandemics went away on their own without vaccine

21st century humans are managing this pandemic differently -- with a lot of intervention (lockdowns, monoclonal antibodies, vaccine, antivirals soon)

what if the interventions are prolonging the pandemic?

'tis common knowledge,
"science and technology have largely done away with natural selection."
if i hit the "stay natural" button, i might suddenly disappear from this earth.

[dr. d]

now we're chasing "variants"

walang katapusan ito

the Greek alphabet won't be enough

the arabic number system.
it's infinite.

romans, too.
but it does become cumbersome after a while.

[ale828]

omicron?
that's a "sleazy hotel" in the sta cruz / cuyapo area...

Doc paano niyo alam yun? hehe
Omicron reminds me of the Transformers Planet in the cartoon tv movie. or the ready mix cement supplier.

this "ECQ" isn't as strict as the Mar/Apr/May 2020 ECQ

malayong malayo

as far as me is concerned i can go around the same as before Aug 6

may nagrereklamo nga masyado maluwag ang ECQ na ito

yes, relaxed yung ECQ na ito, i have crossed two cities here in NCR and yet wala pa ako na encounter na check point.
It may just be similar to before that NCR borders is where all the checkpoints and strict implementation are happening.
I did find a lot less cars in EDSA thou still nothing compared to the 1st ECQ in 2020.

[uls]

'tis common knowledge,
"science and technology have largely done away with natural selection."
if i hit the "stay natural" button, i might suddenly disappear from this earth.

human inventions (and interventions) have saved billions of lives that's why there are 7+ billion of us now

we strongly defied nature for the last 100+ years

maybe we have reached peak civilization and what we're experiencing now is nature reasserting itself



a virus that overwhelms the life-prolonging healthcare systems we put up

to reduce our numbers

to reduce our life expectancy

U.S. life expectancy fell by a year in the first half of 22, CDC report finds

As the Covid-19 pandemic took hold, life expectancy in the United States dropped one full year during the first half of 2020, according to a new Centers of Disease Control and Prevention report, with even greater declines seen among Black and Hispanic people.

[uls]

a pandemic that stresses out people all over the world causing socio-economic problems that destabilize governments... cause wars and more deaths

Endgame without Thanos