SAP or ORACLE?

[CoDer]

Guys tanong lang ako kung alin ang mas maganda. SAP or ORACLE?

Here's a backgrounder...

My client would to invest in an ERP technology, and would like me to do the integration that will fit their requirement. Honestly I have no idea about SAP and ORACLE.

What would you suggest SAP or ORACLE? What's the pros and cons of each product?

Thanks.

[mazdamazda]

basically, kung ERP solution lang... they are almost the same.

though I would go for SAP since mas marami ang gumamit nito dito (e.g. Globe, PLDT, San Miguel, Digitel, Shell, Caltex, Petron, Cebu Pacific, etc.) and worldwide (60%+ market share). mas marami ang consultants na available both for implementation & support.

another + for SAP is that their newer versions offers a vast array of solutions... from billing to point-of-sale to RFID... etc.

btw, am a SAP Consultant.

[CoDer]

Sir M2, how does it work? I mean from the system development and design point of view.

I understand that with these product you do integration all the time for system development and programming for report customization.

What SAP flavor best fits for us sir M2? Our intention is to purchase either SAP or ORACLE and build our own system that fits our requirement. So basically its like buying a programming solution to develop a system from scratch for us.

Yes + on SAP for market penetration. As for ORACLE I have been trying to call their office several time but to no avail no one is answering the phone!

Another + on you sir M2 since you are a SAP consultant.

[mazdamazda]

hmmmm... hirap explain over here... you can PM me your landline number and i'll call you up to give you more details about it (or ibigay ko number ng SAP account manager namin - they'll be more than able to explain it rather than me).

for SAP/ORACLE... all the best practice business processes are already built-in and can be customized by the consultants (that's what I do). what's good about ERPs is that the "integration" part is already built-in.

if there are special requirements (like customized forms, reports, interfaces, etc), an ABAP/4 developer is needed. though for the new versions of SAP, programming can be done using Java.

what we are using in the office is just the old "R/3" version. though what's being sold currently is the mySAP 2004 & 2005.

here's a quick run down for a project implementation:

1. design / blueprint
- lay down the to-be business processes
- identy needed reports, interfaces, forms, etc.

2. customize
- configure the system
- programming (if needed)

3. test

4. implement
- transport the changes from the sandbox to the live server
- load the master data (e.g. GL accounts, vendors, etc.)

[CoDer]

Thanks M2. Sent you PM.

[froshie1]

SAP din kung tatanungin mo ako coz you said you want integration. Can't give you the details not an expert, high level lang alam ko sa SAP.

OT ang Oracle ba ERP na I thought database lang sila?

[nicolodeon]

hmmmm... hirap explain over here... you can PM me your landline number and i'll call you up to give you more details about it (or ibigay ko number ng SAP account manager namin - they'll be more than able to explain it rather than me).

for SAP/ORACLE... all the best practice business processes are already built-in and can be customized by the consultants (that's what I do). what's good about ERPs is that the "integration" part is already built-in.

if there are special requirements (like customized forms, reports, interfaces, etc), an ABAP/4 developer is needed. though for the new versions of SAP, programming can be done using Java.

what we are using in the office is just the old "R/3" version. though what's being sold currently is the mySAP 2004 & 2005.

here's a quick run down for a project implementation:

1. design / blueprint
- lay down the to-be business processes
- identy needed reports, interfaces, forms, etc.

2. customize
- configure the system
- programming (if needed)

3. test

4. implement
- transport the changes from the sandbox to the live server
- load the master data (e.g. GL accounts, vendors, etc.)

Biased! :lol:

[JohnM]

Ayoko SAP. German ang table column names

M2 biased +1

[mazdamazda]

oy... hindi German ang table column names! :bleh:

[cardo]

Guys tanong lang ako kung alin ang mas maganda. SAP or ORACLE?

Here's a backgrounder...

My client would to invest in an ERP technology, and would like me to do the integration that will fit their requirement. Honestly I have no idea about SAP and ORACLE.

What would you suggest SAP or ORACLE? What's the pros and cons of each product?

Thanks.

IMO I think both are robust systems... check the features and functionalities of each tool and align it to your overall requirements, priorities and goals in the short and long term periods. i'm not sure if cost, intergration, or supportability are your needs. so try to harden your requirements, and move on from there.

its up to both companies how they will meet the clients need. i think they should be calling you here hehehe bidding for your money not the other way around. and there are a number of consulting companies out there as well who can go in and propose a solution based on your needs. who knows there might be other cheaper more viable solutions

[mazdamazda]

btw, how big is your organization?

if it's a SME, you can also take a look at SAP Business One (aka SAP Lite).

[the_wildthing]

Both have good and bad points.

Mahalaga is to get your businesses processes straight and to get good implementation partners / consultants. This project is millions of pesos in investment its an expensive failure if it does fail.

If you can leverage existing vendor relationship, e.g. you have Oracle products now, might be a good deal to go with Oracle. Of course if you think about best-of-breed ERP, SAP may have the edge now.

Get in touch with some account managers from both, get demos going, and write up a good RFP.

[bender]

Since i work in the IT department for a local snackfood manufacturing firm, i have already evaluated SAP (Business One and mySAP) and Oracle Apps last year. In terms of functionality, they are almost the same except that SAP has packaged solutions that would work for certain industries. In terms of license costs, SAP Business One and Oracle Apps would roughly be in the same area with mySAP costing around twice as much.
If price is no object, the important thing is the implementation partner. SAP and Oracle Apps only sell the licenses. It is the implementation partner that does the actual implementation, configuration, rollout and turnover. Look at their past implementations and conduct due dilligence on them.

[cardo]

coder,

how long do you have before you give your recommendation or do your final presentation?

Sometimes, if there is an immediate irresolvable problem, to have a specialist on-site costs an arm and a leg hehe on other instances it may cost all of your limbs

[the_wildthing]

SAP consultants can charge as much as $400 an hour. Not sure about the current Oracle rates.

You can probably get local consultants for much cheaper.

[nitrox]

Im no expert here but according to my kumander (she's a certified SAP solutions consultant), SAP is now targetting SMEs because full-blown SAP implementations are hard to come by nowadays. It would help if you can specify what industry you're in, what modules you require and I can help refer you to her company's account manager. At least me options ka. I believe their SAP implementations are R/8 compliant.

[CoDer]

Back from the grave.

Nakow dami na palang reply to thread na to. Nawala ako daming kasing pinagagawa, mostly streamlining ng business processes, system implementation and system audit. Dami kasing nakawan na nangyayari sa kumpanya lately.

Anyway medyo kinukulit ako ng presidente ng corporation to fast track the current rollout ng mga projects para maharap ko na ang acquisition ng either SAP Business One or ORACLE.

First on the schedule for it will be our 2 Retail business unit and a Mall. Basically I will be building an integrated Retail Management System and Leasing, next would be the Realstate business unit of the corporation, then the HR, and last would be the Bank.

The intent is to build our own software/system out of this ERP Solutions. I still have two months before I make a decision.

I hope this will push through...

[wowiesy]

Back from the grave.

Nakow dami na palang reply to thread na to. Nawala ako daming kasing pinagagawa, mostly streamlining ng business processes, system implementation and system audit. Dami kasing nakawan na nangyayari sa kumpanya lately.

Anyway medyo kinukulit ako ng presidente ng corporation to fast track the current rollout ng mga projects para maharap ko na ang acquisition ng either SAP Business One or ORACLE.

First on the schedule for it will be our 2 Retail business unit and a Mall. Basically I will be building an integrated Retail Management System and Leasing, next would be the Realstate business unit of the corporation, then the HR, and last would be the Bank.

The intent is to build our own software/system out of this ERP Solutions. I still have two months before I make a decision.

I hope this will push through...

I have an IT background also and I just went through the process of selecting and ERP solution last year. Each company has their own unique experience regarding ERP selection and implementation. There are a lot of angles to look at it from but what you really have to keep in mind is that ERP selection is just the first step, although it is a big step. Gaya ng sabi rin ng isa sa thread na to, selecting the right implementation partner is also crucial.

Also, try to match the needs of the organization vs the ERP solution you select. Hindi lang silang dalawa ang nasa market. And SAP / Oracle may not necessarily fit all scenarios / organizations.

There was this story I heard somewhere, that the IT heads of this big company chose one of these 2 solutions for their organization, not necessarily because it was the best fit for them, but more on how their own CVs are going to look like after the implementation. Just having SAP or Oracle in their CVs was something....