PHL - slowest internet in SE Asia

**12vdc** · April 26th, 2014 12:40 AM

Originally Posted by Manilablock

Meron tayo National Building Code, Electrical Code, etc. These standards are set which requires vendors/suppliers/contractors to follow as minimum value or standard.

Pagdating sa Telcos, meron ba? Gaano ba kahirap na mag set ng standards para sa drop calls, late text at slow internet.

AFAIK only standards made is how many subscribers should these telcos serve in the area of franchise, and its more of the old wired voice telephony service.

The rest - internet, sms, wireless telephony is a free market because these services are considered value added and they are all packet switched that ride in a shared traffic medium, the transmission bandwidth.

If you will notice, wired telephony doesnt get most problems as the wireless because these services are circuit switched rather than packet switched. In packet switched, telcos dictates the quality of service just like what is advertised. For the internet, if they advertise this speed, it doesnt usually says the commited speed rather the burst speed. Burst speed is a shared bandwidth, so the more subscriber, the lesser you get the burst speed. What we really dont know is the CIR Commited Information Rate or the fixed rate these telcos set on the network. Similarly, what actually happens to a delayed sms or dropped calls is due to traffic congestion or network pollution because of so many circuits occupying the shared bandwidth.

Im not really sure tho, but i think NTC has a veery outdated regulations in terms of quality of service esp when it comes to bandwidth usage.

**A121** · April 26th, 2014 06:34 AM

Originally Posted by 12vdc

AFAIK only standards made is how many subscribers should these telcos serve in the area of franchise, and its more of the old wired voice telephony service.

The rest - internet, sms, wireless telephony is a free market because these services are considered value added and they are all packet switched that ride in a shared traffic medium, the transmission bandwidth.

If you will notice, wired telephony doesnt get most problems as the wireless because these services are circuit switched rather than packet switched. In packet switched, telcos dictates the quality of service just like what is advertised. For the internet, if they advertise this speed, it doesnt usually says the commited speed rather the burst speed. Burst speed is a shared bandwidth, so the more subscriber, the lesser you get the burst speed. What we really dont know is the CIR Commited Information Rate or the fixed rate these telcos set on the network. Similarly, what actually happens to a delayed sms or dropped calls is due to traffic congestion or network pollution because of so many circuits occupying the shared bandwidth.

Im not really sure tho, but i think NTC has a veery outdated regulations in terms of quality of service esp when it comes to bandwidth usage.

Telcos have their KPI that they apparently take care off.

But you are right, the NTC does not know anything how these KPIs are computed. You have to rely with the vendor given equations but the NTC does not know how to interpret the variables or equations used. Dapat sumisilip sila sa ITU-T kahit papaano or they should be developing their own standards.

**bfphuket** · April 26th, 2014 08:15 AM

guys don't know if you have read about this, there was this news in a foreign article ive read a year ago. that asean countries will have a cyber backbone of sort will be com[pleted around 16', unfortunately Philippines is not included in the plan...

**12vdc** · April 26th, 2014 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by Dark Lord

Yung china internet speed nakakagulat para sa kin. Bagal na bagal ako dun sa dsl o broadband kesa dito sa pinas. Dito sa atin matagal na tayo may 4G/LTE (kahit pili na lugar) at madami dami na rin 3G. Dun sa china eh 2G/edge lang meron sa china mobile. Yung isang telecom nila na unicom eh eto lang nagsisimula mag 4g. Mas sikat sa pagkakaalam ko si china mobile. Kaya yung intsik na staff namin nung mapunta dito sa pinas eh bilib na bilib sa bilis ng data speed lalo na sa kanyang iphone.

There is an ongoing cold war bet China and Americas. Apparently these chinese supplies equipments to act as drones to steal technology blueprints from US defense contractors and private manufacturers. My guess is, US is watching Chinas traffic at all times. Now imagine if every overhead bytes of information is emedded with spy bits, internet would definitely run slower.
Guess ko lang.. hehe

Originally Posted by bfphuket

guys don't know if you have read about this, there was this news in a foreign article ive read a year ago. that asean countries will have a cyber backbone of sort will be com[pleted around 16', unfortunately Philippines is not included in the plan...

IDK how would that benefit asia when most of the servers still run in US, not unless they decentralize everything in Asian region. Our International traffic still pass on the old spot, one at Subic the other in Batangas. The newly laid landing station is east of Ph cable runs direct to Japan. Its a joint project with Pangilinans and NTT docomo. I think the Ayalas are planning another direct route to the Americas thru Pacific seas.

**boybi** · April 26th, 2014 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by Dark Lord

Yung china internet speed nakakagulat para sa kin. Bagal na bagal ako dun sa dsl o broadband kesa dito sa pinas. Dito sa atin matagal na tayo may 4G/LTE (kahit pili na lugar) at madami dami na rin 3G. Dun sa china eh 2G/edge lang meron sa china mobile. Yung isang telecom nila na unicom eh eto lang nagsisimula mag 4g. Mas sikat sa pagkakaalam ko si china mobile. Kaya yung intsik na staff namin nung mapunta dito sa pinas eh bilib na bilib sa bilis ng data speed lalo na sa kanyang iphone.

Baligtad naman experience ko. I never got a 3G signal when I was in China last year. Hanggang Edge lang ako, but the speed was faster than the 3G speed I'm getting here in the Phils. Dito pag Edge lang, di ka makakapag uplaod ng pic sa FB or IG, dun kahit Edge lang, dami ko na-upload na pics.

**xwangbu** · April 26th, 2014 02:28 PM

it is a sign of a booming economy...heavy traffic - internet traffic. :D

**Dark Lord** · April 26th, 2014 11:32 PM

Same with me sir. Hanggang edge lang pinakamataas. I'm a globe subscriber and I always subscribe for an unlimited data plan whenever I'm in china. I noticed what sir 12vdc said, it feels like everything is getting filtered out when you upload. Sending messages and items like pictures through different apps like whatsapp and even skype takes an eternity to be finished. With my phone, I can't even share a hotspot wifi because it is "prohibited by the network". This is china mobile. Don't know with unicom.

Yung video call nga nakakainis at nakakairita as compared dito sa local networks natin. Mas ok at mas malinaw at mas mabilis parin para sa kin dito sa pinas. Walang facebook pero pag Naka roaming eh nakakasagap minsan ng facebook. Pero pahirapan sa bagal ng upload.

Originally Posted by boybi

Baligtad naman experience ko. I never got a 3G signal when I was in China last year. Hanggang Edge lang ako, but the speed was faster than the 3G speed I'm getting here in the Phils. Dito pag Edge lang, di ka makakapag uplaod ng pic sa FB or IG, dun kahit Edge lang, dami ko na-upload na pics.

**kik0matsing** · April 27th, 2014 01:05 AM

Dito as Saudi 21mbps fiber optic nasa 300sr monthly Mindanao nag promo pa cla nasa 150sr for 6 months multiply mo sa 11.6 mabilis internet...

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**bfphuket** · April 28th, 2014 10:37 AM

from sen. Bam A. fanpage:

**Mguy** · April 28th, 2014 11:36 AM

The carriers know about this and won't do much to improve the speed. I'm pretty sure most Filipinos are happy if they get 3Mbps in their houses.

Since Singapore charges nearly P 1,000.00 for a 12Mbps line, why would the local carriers give that much service eh pwede naman 4 subscribers with 3Mbps still at P 1,000.00 each. So yun 12Mbps dito, P 4,000 pesos ang kita. Its all about the money dito. That goes true rin sa utilities natin.