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February 25th, 2007 04:44 PM #22
I appreciate everyone trying to diagnose the problem. But you have to understand my Intel (then/before) and AMD (now/currently) sysem are essentially share the same every piece of hardware and software installed, save for the CPU and Mobo. No changes were made. Yet, the AMD does have a 3 to 4 seconds of "freeze" once in a while, esp. when I'm throwing it with so many tasks at the same time. Even startup is also slower. The P4 3.0E does not seem to have any of these problem, even when its temp is already 60F - this is the "PressHOT" core, btw.
Yes, there is hard drive activity when the "freeze" occurs bec. it is loading something (ie. program, file, etc...).
Well, I dont know. Lots of people were all praises for the MB I got, for its supposed enthusiast level of usage capabilities.
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Oh well, I hope the shops in Gilmore still sell some Intel P4 CPU in the sub Php 4,500.00 price tag. Here in the Philippines, they move old stocks out quickly and forcing everyone to spend so much money on the latest CPUs. At least, in the US, through newegg, ordering and assembling is a breeze. And most importantly, newegg still carries old stocks, unlike here. Here, even with the number of shops in Gilmore, you'd still be hard-pressed to find anything not mainstream (ie. slightly old stock).
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February 25th, 2007 04:57 PM #23
I just realized that it's a hybrid AGP/PCI-E motherboard........ I normally try to stay away from motherboards that try to bridge the gap between old and new generations.
I stick with old tech until it's time to upgrade and then plunge headlong into the new.
So it could be the hardware, meaning the motherboard, after all.
I really think its the MOBO/chipset, that's abit pokey. I would stay away from the N-force chipsets bec. it never seem to run out of problems plaquing it.
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February 25th, 2007 05:12 PM #24Originally Posted by Jun aka Pekto
I really miss those 486, Pentium, etc. days when an upgrade involves only at the most, a change in CPU and MB. Nowadays, upgrading is like falling domino chips....got to change the cpu. whoopss..got to get a new MB also...whoopsss...I also need to a new set of RAM....what, I also have to buy a new vga....wait!, I also need a new PSU....on so on! This is a vicious cycle that one needs to fulfill otherwise that brand new spanking part will be rendered useless by incompatibility and etc...I'm in that dilemma/bind. If I'm "forced" to settled for the Core Duo (in case the shops here no longer carry any bnew single core P4) I would be forced to shell out around Php 36K+ (for the cpu,mb, new ddr2, pci-e vga, psu) when I only have to spend less than Php 9K for bnew parts (new cpu and mb) to suit my needs. That is life. Or I could shoot myself on the foot and settle for a Celeron D 352. Given my current experience with AMD, I dont even know if the Celeron D will give me a downgrade or an upgrade. Btw, it is based on the 65 nm cedar mill core already.
Originally Posted by Jun aka PektoLast edited by number001; February 25th, 2007 at 05:20 PM.
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February 25th, 2007 05:19 PM #25
its the other way around. you don't need 4gb of ram to fully utilize 64bit cpus. instead, you need 64 bit processors to page more than 4 gigs of ram. what you need to fully utilize a 64bit processor is a native 64bit os with native 64bit programs.
too many people adopted the optys and athlons with the 64bit extensions because of the fact that the k8 architecture offered considerably better performance with 32-bit applications.
its amd's implementation of DCA (Direct Connect Architecture) that made the platform revolutionary. the incorporation of an on-chip memory controller would almost be useless (fsb limited) unless paired with an extremely high performance point to point interconnect (HyperTransport).
peace :butterfly:Last edited by metatron; February 25th, 2007 at 09:43 PM. Reason: OT na pala - sorry mods
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February 25th, 2007 05:30 PM #26
The P4-3.0E is HT-enabled if I'm not mistaken. That should give it an edge over AMD singlecore cpu's in multitasking functions. But, the freezes aren't the norm for AMD cpu's either. So, there's definitely something wrong.
If it is hardware related, I'd suspect the Norbridge/Southbridge duo, especially if it's hard drive i/o issues. I have no experience with the ULi chipsets. So, I'm not much help there. One reason I liked the nForce4 Ultra chipset is the lack of need for separate Northbridge and Southbridge chips. That right there erased a lot of potential hardware issues for me.
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February 25th, 2007 05:47 PM #27
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February 25th, 2007 07:20 PM #28
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February 25th, 2007 07:43 PM #29
Agree with you on that one.
But Asus is not as bulletproof as its used to be (much like the kind of myth perpetuated with Toyota products) . Read user reviews of asus mb from newegg.... Also try "SYSTEM FAILED CPU TEST" on google, this is what my high-end P4P800-E Deluxe wireless ed. got permanently sick with.
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February 25th, 2007 08:52 PM #30
AMD cutting back cache: Supply-and-demand. AMD has a HUGE disadvantage over Intel when it comes to production capacity, not to mention that they're slightly behind in smaller manufacturing processes. Dual cores = less production = more expense. AMD is simply FORCED to cut back cache to save space on their chips. Otherwise, either their chips will be too expensive, or they'll just run out of chips to sell.
Intel not implementing the on-die controller. Two main reasons, I would guess:
a) Technical: Fabrication technology wasn't quite advanced back then. The first Intel P3 and AMD Athlon Classic had the L2 cache off-die for a good reason: the on-die L2 caches were BIG. BIG means EXPENSIVE. Any on-die memory controller would significantly add to the size of the (back then) very large dies, making them very expensive. Another thing is that a memory controller produced to partner SDRAM, would only partner SDRAM. Just like 939 and AM2 processors, which is, for all intents and purposes, the same thing with different memory controllers.
b) Politics. This were the days when Intel was aggressively pushing RDRAM. If RDRAM flopped (as it did), it would be EXTREMELY expensive to switch back due to reasons outlined in A.
P.S. On-die memory controllers are hardly revolutionary, in the same sense that variable valve timing isn't revolutionary. I mean, by World War II lots of gizmos and witchcraft on a modern internal combustion engine were already thought up - it just doesn't make sense to make them. On-die memory controllers are not a new idea, some small companies during the Pentium One days (was Cyrix one of them?) were attempting to implement what was a primitive example of what the A64 has today and then some. i.e. EVERYTHING (cache, memory controller, drive controller, PCI interface, the lot!) on one chip. Not practical (back then) though.
P.P.S. Benchmarks or no benchmarks, the E6600 clobbers the FX-62 on the most important measure of all: price. The performance can go at most a few percent either way depending on the application, but the E6600, at 1/5 the price of the FX-62, would comparatively be a steal. I'd go for the E4300 though. Or just stick with my loud, hot P4 530 (it still works, anyway), and see if Core or K8L or whatever new thing there is in a few months would be attractive.Last edited by Alpha_One; February 25th, 2007 at 09:34 PM.
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