AMD to Intel????

[number001]

Last Sept '06, my Asus P4P800-E (865PE) prematurely conked out. Bec. I didnt have the budget to do an all-out upgrade, I made it a point to reuse parts as much as possible. In other words, I just needed to get a socket 478 motherboard, but at that time the shops in Gilmore no longer carried such boards due to the fast-paced or planned obsolescence. To make it short, I got myself a AMD64 3200+ (venice) and ASrock 939Dual-SATA2 (motherboard). I just sold my now "useless" and "old" P4 3.0E ghz socket 478 cpu.

I noticed the AMD is much cooler and quieter (both by a big margin) than the P4 "PresHOT" cpu that it replaces. And those are the only good I think of, for the AMD. With all things equal (as in the only diffs bet. my AMD and Intel setup are the CPU and MB), I find the AMD so much slower in normal WinXP usage and esp. during multi-tasking (ie. browsing the net (ie and firefox), word, excel, win explorer, and divx running). There would be a few seconds of pause or "freeze", which is really annoying (even a Piii-500mhz/256MB ram will not do that).

So I'm contemplating to move back to Intel by getting either a P4 (65nm "Cedar Mill" core) 631 or 641 cpu and another Asus 865G based mb (P5PE-VM). Although the Core 2 Duo is tempting, it is disregarded bec. its cost is more than the double the budget. So is this a good move or should I just keep the AMD?

[Jun aka Pekto]

Last Sept '06, my Asus P4P800-E (865PE) prematurely conked out. Bec. I didnt have the budget to do an all-out upgrade, I made it a point to reuse parts as much as possible. In other words, I just needed to get a socket 478 motherboard, but at that time the shops in Gilmore no longer carried such boards due to the fast-paced or planned obsolescence. To make it short, I got myself a AMD64 3200+ (venice) and ASrock 939Dual-SATA2 (motherboard). I just sold my now "useless" and "old" P4 3.0E ghz socket 478 cpu.

I noticed the AMD is much cooler and quieter (both by a big margin) than the P4 "PresHOT" cpu that it replaces. And those are the only good I think of, for the AMD. With all things equal (as in the only diffs bet. my AMD and Intel setup are the CPU and MB), I find the AMD so much slower in normal WinXP usage and esp. during multi-tasking (ie. browsing the net (ie and firefox), word, excel, win explorer, and divx running). There would be a few seconds of pause or "freeze", which is really annoying (even a Piii-500mhz/256MB ram will not do that).

So I'm contemplating to move back to Intel by getting either a P4 (65nm "Cedar Mill" core) 631 or 641 cpu and another Asus 865G based mb (P5PE-VM). Although the Core 2 Duo is tempting, it is disregarded bec. its cost is more than the double the budget. So is this a good move or should I just keep the AMD?

I doubt the cpu is directly involved unless its bus setting isn't set right in the bios. Assuming the bus speed is set correctly, I'd take a look at the amount of ram, the video card and which drivers it's using, the virtual memory settings, the size and speed of the hard drive.

Granted, XP flies in this AMD dualcore pc. But, it also flies in my wife's old Athlon XP 1700+/768mb ram/100gb hard drive/30gb hard drive/128mb agp nVidia GF4-Ti4200+. XP is on the 100gb hard drive while the virtual memory is on the 30gb.

I also disabled any unused ports like the serial and parallel ports in the bios.

My next pc will probably be a Core 2 Duo as a replacement for my wife's pc unless AMD drops its prices to make it more attractive.

[mikmik316]

There is no performance gain... the Intel CPU you mentioned is a downgrade from your current AMD... Reason why you feel that Intel is much faster in 2D operations + multitasking is due to the fact that you are using an Intel CPU + Intel chipset + correct Intel drivers for XP

The solution for your AMD CPU + ULI (which is ALi before *gasp*) should be new drivers + new bios updates...

Also, don't plan an upgrade if your not getting a Core Microarchitecture CPU paired with an Intel 965 or Nvidia 6xx or ATI Crossfire 3xxx chipset...

For budget PCs, CPU will be a Core Solo CPU or a Core Duo CPU with lower secondary (L2) cache + a 945 chipset..

If you still want an AMD solution, probably an AM2 Motherboard + the cheapest Athlon X2 that you can buy...

[number001]

Spec of my current setup

Amd64 3200+ venice rev DH-E6 - 2 Ghz (10-multiplier x 200 bus speed) single core.
ASrock 939Dual-SATA2
2 x 1 GB Corsair TwinX DDR 400 - 2 gb
GeCube Ati Radeon 9550 Extreme edition 128mb AGP8x
Coolermaster Centurion 5 w/ Coolermaster 350 Watts PSU
120GB Seagate 7200 PATA
80 GB Seagate 7200 SATA
300 GB Seagate 7200 SATA
NEC 2510A 8x Dvd-/+ r/rw/dvd9

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All things equal with my old Intel cpu/mobo set-up, then and now. Not the latest drivers, but only four months old or less.

I really think its the MOBO/chipset, that's abit pokey. I would stay away from the N-force chipsets bec. it never seem to run out of problems plaquing it.

[boybi]

I find the AMD so much slower in normal WinXP usage and esp. during multi-tasking (ie. browsing the net (ie and firefox), word, excel, win explorer, and divx running). There would be a few seconds of pause or "freeze", which is really annoying

i also have this annoying freeze right now. i'm also using AMD Athlon 64 3200+. i only experienced this 'freeze' the past 2 weeks. and last night, i reinstalled my WinXP OS to WinXP MCE, and the 'freeze' is still there and i haven't installed everything yet. is this a problem with the hardware?

[metatron]

Last Sept '06, my Asus P4P800-E (865PE) prematurely conked out. Bec. I didnt have the budget to do an all-out upgrade, I made it a point to reuse parts as much as possible. In other words, I just needed to get a socket 478 motherboard, but at that time the shops in Gilmore no longer carried such boards due to the fast-paced or planned obsolescence. To make it short, I got myself a AMD64 3200+ (venice) and ASrock 939Dual-SATA2 (motherboard). I just sold my now "useless" and "old" P4 3.0E ghz socket 478 cpu.

I noticed the AMD is much cooler and quieter (both by a big margin) than the P4 "PresHOT" cpu that it replaces. And those are the only good I think of, for the AMD. With all things equal (as in the only diffs bet. my AMD and Intel setup are the CPU and MB), I find the AMD so much slower in normal WinXP usage and esp. during multi-tasking (ie. browsing the net (ie and firefox), word, excel, win explorer, and divx running). There would be a few seconds of pause or "freeze", which is really annoying (even a Piii-500mhz/256MB ram will not do that).

So I'm contemplating to move back to Intel by getting either a P4 (65nm "Cedar Mill" core) 631 or 641 cpu and another Asus 865G based mb (P5PE-VM). Although the Core 2 Duo is tempting, it is disregarded bec. its cost is more than the double the budget. So is this a good move or should I just keep the AMD?

Unless you're moving up to core 2 duo, you're still better off with the amd setup you already have. Also, consider nforce4 motherboards from msi and gigabyte (if you're not into overclocking. dfi if you want to try your hand in the art of processor flambé ) the nforce4 boards from these manufacturers are top notch and almost bulletproof. i have been personally using nforce4 boards from msi (k8n neo4-f) and dfi (lanparty ut ultra d) for almost 2 years now. haven't experienced problems since the first day i set up my amd systems.

unfortunately, you're going to have to purchase a new pcie graphics card if you decide to adopt these nforce4 motherboards. if you plan to take advantage of dx10 in vista within the next few months you could altogether defer upgrading until the midrange g80 models from nvidia and r600 from ati/amd are released sometime this may (hopefully).

for the meantime, you can always tweak virtual mem, defrag your disks (powerdefrag is a great freeware utility), install the latest drivers and make sure your PC's free from malware (try bitdefender8 online scanner - unlike other free online scanning services, bitdefender also removes malware after detection).

and by the way, nag clean install ka ba ng xp since nag-migrate ka from intel to amd o driver patch lang ng existing os?

[number001]

i also have this annoying freeze right now. i'm also using AMD Athlon 64 3200+. i only experienced this 'freeze' the past 2 weeks. and last night, i reinstalled my WinXP OS to WinXP MCE, and the 'freeze' is still there and i haven't installed everything yet. is this a problem with the hardware?

My hunch is that its CPU related, despite what other people may think otherwise. Well for me, this annoying "freeze" occurs during multitasking operations. During this time, the CPU Usage will spike to 100% and normal operations resume only after the CPU Usage goes down. Looks to me, the cpu is choking.

Funny even, when viewing DiVx or Xvid video clips, there is a noticeable slow down, something which never happened in my Intel P4 mobo/cpu.

About three or so years ago, I remember reading about the webmaster of techreport.com commenting that his AMD cpu (which was an Opteron matched with 4GB Ram) on his primary workstation did get bogged down once in while on multitasking operations. In an unrelated comparison, he also mentioned that the P4 w/ hyperthreading he used briefly did not have much problems with multitasking.

Btw, pls post your PC specs so we can compare.

[number001]

Unless you're moving up to core 2 duo, you're still better off with the amd setup you already have. Also, consider nforce4 motherboards from msi and gigabyte (if you're not into overclocking. dfi if you want to try your hand in the art of processor flambé ) the nforce4 boards from these manufacturers are top notch and almost bulletproof. i have been personally using nforce4 boards from msi (k8n neo4-f) and dfi (lanparty ut ultra d) for almost 2 years now. haven't experienced problems since the first day i set up my amd systems.

Although I feel that I should get a N-force4 board now but unfortunately the shops are already not selling this kind of board with socket 939. And imagine if the board conks out in less than a year, the shop will not be able to provide an exact replacement.

unfortunately, you're going to have to purchase a new pcie graphics card if you decide to adopt these nforce4 motherboards. if you plan to take advantage of dx10 in vista within the next few months you could altogether defer upgrading until the midrange g80 models from nvidia and r600 from ati/amd are released sometime this may (hopefully).

Having to buy a new pci-e vga was one of the reasons why I settled for the ASrock and therefore the ULI chipset. Btw, I'm not into 3D games or anything. The most stressful thing my PC does is playing DiVx video clips, burning DVD's, or unzipping large .rar files, which is why I'm contended with the AGP.

and by the way, nag clean install ka ba ng xp since nag-migrate ka from intel to amd o driver patch lang ng existing os?

I always perform a clean install everytime there is a major hardware change such as in this case.

Currently, my drivers are four months old and there is really no major upgrades in these new drivers/bios other than support for new chips.

[boybi]

My hunch is that its CPU related, despite what other people may think otherwise. Well for me, this annoying "freeze" occurs during multitasking operations. During this time, the CPU Usage will spike to 100% and normal operations resume only after the CPU Usage goes down. Looks to me, the cpu is choking.

Funny even, when viewing DiVx or Xvid video clips, there is a noticeable slow down, something which never happened in my Intel P4 mobo/cpu.

About three or so years ago, I remember reading about the webmaster of techreport.com commenting that his AMD cpu (which was an Opteron matched with 4GB Ram) on his primary workstation did get bogged down once in while on multitasking operations. In an unrelated comparison, he also mentioned that the P4 w/ hyperthreading he used briefly did not have much problems with multitasking.

Btw, pls post your PC specs so we can compare.

My PC's specs:

AMD Athlon 64 3200+
1GB RAM
MSI K8N SLI
nVidia GeForce 6800GS 256MB

[Syuryuken]

Intel Pentium - multitasking
AMD Athlon - for gaming

My PC's spec:

P4 3.0
MSI 865PE Neo2-p
512 RAM
MSI FX5500 256MB 128 bit

AMD Athlon 2.8
MSI K7N2 Delta/MSI KT6 Delta
512 RAM
MSI FX5200 128MB 128 bit

Gamit ko sa gaming for 4 years now. No problem so far.

BTW I'm using branded memory and power supply.