Schumacher wins six-car Indy farce

**EL Chicane** · June 20th, 2005 08:39 PM

Originally Posted by theveed

ano ba talaga nangyari ? hehe sorry dont follow F1 anymore since 03...

Check this news story:
http://uk.sports.yahoo.com/050620/2/bo9t.html

**Monseratto** · June 20th, 2005 08:54 PM

Baka this is one way of putting Bernie Ecclestone and Max Mosley in a bad light. Remember the teams that pulled out are the same people who are wants a bigger say on how the earnings from F1 is divided, or they will form their own series called GPWC. And #1 enemy to them is Ferrari. Its a conspiracy thing....

**EL Chicane** · June 20th, 2005 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by Monseratto

Baka this is one way of putting Bernie Ecclestone and Max Mosley in a bad light. Remember the teams that pulled out are the same people who are wants a bigger say on how the earnings from F1 is divided, or they will form their own series called GPWC. And #1 enemy to them is Ferrari. Its a conspiracy thing....

I don't think this Indianapolis incident was part of the conspiracy. If it was, then i don't know how much they paid Ralf Schumacher to burst his Michelin tires that caused his spectacular high-speed crash into the wall in last Friday's practice run.

On another angle, it was really hard for anyone to believe (even the FIA) why Michelin never brought a second set of tires to Indianapolis when they are required to do so. They flew in the 2nd set of tires overnight, but they were tested to be no good also.

**squala** · June 20th, 2005 09:37 PM

It was plain misunderstanding and refusal to compromise which is why the race was like that. The circuit was modified in such a way that Michelin tires cannot handle one of the turns (13 I think). The people concerned proposed the addition of a chicane in the said turn so as for them to be able to run with no problems. The FIA did not accept it, so the 14 cars had to be withdrawn for driver safety.

So who's to blame? I don't think we can point a finger at Ferrari. They (and Bridgestone) did not do anything wrong, so they're not out of their mind not to start the race. Minardi (at least according to Stoddart) also wanted to exclude their cars, but they were forced to race because Jordan also started. As for the yellow team, they obviously wanted points and there's no other way for them to earn them, that was their only chance.

There's nothing to pick up from this race but a lesson. Things have to be made for driver safety, entertainment and retaining the legitimacy of F1. Due to years of Ferrari domination, drastic changes have been made, stupid and dangerous even, just to prevent that streak from going on. In the case of the USGP, circuit changes have to be stated clearly so that the teams (and tyre manufacturers) can prepare accordingly. If a compromise has to be made for the sake of the fans (and the majority of the grid), then it has to be made. The uncompromising FIA sadly brought a much more compromised race featuring Schumacher and the Schmucks.

**mbt** · June 20th, 2005 10:40 PM

wait, why did the Michelin tires fail and pose a driver hazard? because they weren't built tough enough to take the stress of one particularly taxing corner?

**EL Chicane** · June 20th, 2005 10:50 PM

Originally Posted by mbt

wait, why did the Michelin tires fail and pose a driver hazard? because they weren't built tough enough to take the stress of one particularly taxing corner?

Michelin is actually not yet sure what is the problem with their tires. One thing is clear though, in that high-speed turn at Turn 13, tremendous amounts of stress is induced on the rear tires of the car causing them to lose pressure and eventually blow up like what happened to Ralf Shumacher last Friday practice.

Bottomline is, the Michelin tires will not survive 76 laps without changing them. You can extend the life of the Michelin tires if you reduce the stress by slowing down the cars. A proposed chicane on Turn 13 will guarantee that the drivers will slow down. But it was denied.

**scarab** · June 20th, 2005 10:51 PM

....ang kulet pa nung race engineer nung nag-radio to one of the ferrari drivers, "no problem with the tires, it's still good for 100 laps". parang pang-asar sa michelin.

**EL Chicane** · June 20th, 2005 11:03 PM

Ferrari explains its side: Read here:
http://uk.sports.yahoo.com/050620/13/boho.html

**mbt** · June 20th, 2005 11:03 PM

oh... in that case, i think it's only fair that the chicane wasn't enforced. that would have been grossly unfair to bridgestone and the bridgestone teams hehe.

i think the michelin teams should have still run their cars but took it easier in that corner (and retire mid-race when telemetry showed that the tires were close to going, or force a tire change and swallow the penalty). or if the tires were unsafe on any lap, even the first ones, then... well, allow a different set of tires or something? maybe it wouldnt have changed the finishing standing, but it sure beats having 14 cars DNF before the first lap!

or maybe the FIA should just have cancelled the race when the teams pulled out (to heck with technicalities!)

**jds** · June 20th, 2005 11:04 PM

Originally Posted by scarab

....ang kulet pa nung race engineer nung nag-radio to one of the ferrari drivers, "no problem with the tires, it's still good for 100 laps". parang pang-asar sa michelin.

Bobo talaga yang ferrari, siyempre, tatagal yung tires nila kahit 100 laps, eh, they are not pushing the cars very hard. Wala namang kalaban. Yung Jordan at Minardi eh Lap down pa nga eh.

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