Michael Schumacher: what's the secret of his success?

[turk182]

the spa race proved that given the right equipment, kimi can beat ms any given day... his pace on that race was amazing... his fastest lap was 0.4 sec. faster than that of ms and he did this with a slightly damaged car due to a massa assault in the first corner of the race...

he had to contend with a damaged car flooring and transmission down shift problem for the whole race and still won... there is no denying the sheer talent and pace of this kid... there is simply no fear when it comes to his racing...

[brg998uk]

Turk hit the nail on the head, no fear.
A bit like me when young kids try to pass me on a corner in some souped up Honda....(i have to get my fun somewhere).

But seriously, i THINK effone is on the right track.
Apart from "The Package" there seems to be an FIA / Bernie / Max mean streak against Kimi, which has been seen before against other drivers.
Kimi is not a showman, MS is an entertainer, footballer etc. who fills the pockets of the owners (back to money again).
Kimi is not and will never be an entertainer outside the car, his English does seem to be improving though.

At the end of the day, i will enjoy watching Kimi race, not just lead.
If it only lasts a season i will be happy, but i hope it is more.

[luckytruck]

i do not have an opinion about kimi as a driver because i am merely a spectator in F1, and for me, only time will tell if kimi will be mentioned in the same breath as Schumacher and the rest of the F1 legends.

so i will just sit back and enjoy the races, whether it be appreciating the sheer dominance of ferrari, or watching a new team/driver challenge ferrari

andy

[kimpOy]

Kimi is not and will never be an entertainer outside the car, his English does seem to be improving though.

now that you've mention it, atleast medyo naiintindihan ko na siya. pero kailangan ilakas ang volume ng TV he..he

imho, last season pa natin alam na given a reliable car kimi can challenge MS, di ba muntikan na mag champ si Kimi.
by shear talent alone (same car same team, i'd say kimi's talent is on the upside, along side alonso and klein (i like this kid)

[brg998uk]

My tv volume was up so high on Sunday i lost my voice trying to make various drivers hear my shouted advice.

If not for the odd penalty, Kimi would have been champion last year. My opinion anyway!

[brg998uk]

My tv volume was up so high on Sunday i lost my voice trying to make various drivers hear my shouted advice.

If not for the odd penalty, Kimi would have been champion last year. My opinion anyway!

[effone]

maybe we should watch a race in one place just to know each other and for the love of racing. hehehehe.

para "fish tayo" lahat.

a place where giant screen lights the place.

gud or bad idea?

[brg998uk]

All depends if the Red Devils carry guns.........

[skipper]

Originally posted by brg998uk
I guess you missed a few recent races.
The only consistency Trulli has shown is being overtaken while apparently sleeping.

First time i have heard anyone suggest Kimi will be a flash in the pan! Most people recognise pure natural skill when they see it.
1.5 seconds faster than Shumacher in a few corners? Ever see anyone do that before? Don't even think about trying to say Shumacher slowed because even tv cover shows that was not the case. Even Rubens would have passed him if he had slowed.

I agree with you there on Trulli. He seems to have that knack of letting other cars pass him without effort.

But on Kimi vs. MS, the reason why Kimi's been able to leave MS after the safety car dives to the pit is that the bridgestone tires take time to get to its ideal temperature(and the ferraris gambled on hard compound too). Again let me go back to the past discussions that you can't really measure the drivers' pure talent while they're on different machines. I thought that was settled already.

[skipper]

Originally posted by brg998uk
My tv volume was up so high on Sunday i lost my voice trying to make various drivers hear my shouted advice.

If not for the odd penalty, Kimi would have been champion last year. My opinion anyway!

What? How would you explain that then if Kimi bags the title having won on 1 circuit against Schumey's 6?

The current points system sucks. It gives too much reward to losers.

[luckytruck]

very good idea

problema lang i live in gen. santos city

actually, we do that here in Gen. Santos when we have a chance. beer, dinner and a good F1 race. shoot na yan

andy

[brg998uk]

When all goes wrong:
Bridgestones take time to heat up.
Michelin fade after a few laps.
More or less only one lap difference for their tyres.
Equal.
Forget tyres, its back to the driver.

I prefer Dunlop FM901!

[luckytruck]

very good point about the points system.

like on the PGA tour, in the race for the money title, and of course congruently based on each tournament winnings, the winner gets double what the runner up gets. pwede kaya yan sa F1?

andy

[brg998uk]

I completly agree the points system sucks.
Same as re fuelling, one lap qualifying, IRL, Star Sports commentators Steve Slater and Collette Wong etc.

I wonder what MS thinks about Jean Todt have a girlfriend who is better looking than Mrs Pudgy Wudgy?

[empy]

Originally posted by brg998uk
I guess you guys are all in the 20-25 age range?
If so, you would not remember when a young MS won a race against a field that included a few world champions and people instantly began talking about the end of Williams Renault or Senna dominance?

There is no denying Ferrari reliability.
The important fact is that finally a Merc engine held together and the one driver that has enough raw skill to use it, did.

No it is not too much, i am not going to run naked along Edsa but i will bet that anytime Kimi has a reliable car he will beat Shumacher in a head to head. Either of them.
It's the dawn of a new era, and i for one hope that Kimi does not dominate as i hope at least 3 or 4 other drivers will be pushing him every race.

I am very lucky, i have met many drivers including Kimi who has something the others do or did not have. You can sense a absolute single minded purpose that is almost scary.....hopefully he will wait a few years before he has children and does a Mika

no, i remember the times when MS suddenly started holding his own against Senna, Mika et al.

i don't think anyone here is doubting Kimi's talent and potential, but your statement is like claiming young Lebron James is already better than Michael Jordan ever was.

i will bet that anytime Kimi has a reliable car he will beat Shumacher in a head to head

so, by your logic - every time Kimi finishes a race, he will most certainly finish ahead of Schumacher? :D

[edzzz]

basta magaling talaga ang Ferrari at si Schumi, tapos!!!
lets not make things complicated.

but am still shaking my head pag nanalo sila, do you guys agree na boring ang race pag sya ang leading ng mga 10 secs or more.

Am an avid fan ni Mika, ngayon si Kimi
and am happy he won at Spa, reminding the Reds that they are still humans.

[effone]

i wish MS and Kimi to drive for one team and prove themselves how tough they are...

Wish ko lang...

[brg998uk]

M54 - Yes, lets see if my logic is correct!
effone - dream on, i will dream as well because it will never happen. If only, i would pay anything to see it, even if it was just a cart.

Everyone ready for the shumeisters message later today? Is he thanking Ferrari or running away from Kimi???

[aksdman]

M54:

I agree with your analogy on Kimi/Lebron and MS/Jordan. Everyone ata agrees that Kimi is one helluva driver. But I don't think that this is basis enough for anyone to say that Kimi is better than MS.

Hell, even the official F1 Magazine and its counterpart F1 Racing as well as respected F1 writers such as Martin Brundle and Matt Bishop rate MS higher than Kimi. And these are highly credible sources - at least more credible than most of us here.

I don't think it's right on saying that Kimi is better than MS based on two victories. The amount of data/wins/victories are simply not enough to reach such a unanimous conclusion.

Head-to-head comparison? Last year, MS won 6-1 based on race victories. And he didn't even have the best package available to him. BMW had the best engine, Michelin teams had the best tires and Renault had the best launch control. Including this year, its 18-2. And as far as I'm concerned, the evidence of success is based on race victories and not speculation. Actually, if we base it on speculation, then MS should even be further ahead since during the late 1990's, McLaren had the best package in terms of Car and Engine. But Schumacher almost beat them twice even though they clearly had the inferior package ( data coming from Formula 1 archives and my memory ) And if we speculate further, MS was on a roll when he crashed out at Silverstone. Everyone including Ron Dennis agreed that Ferrari was the team to beat that year. Muntik nga nanalo si Eddie Irvine sa Drivers Championship eh.

Also, the fact that Kimi had a .4 second difference in a single lap is misleading since Ferrari stopped developing their car/chassis/engine two races ago. That is public knwoledge. Jean Todt went public with that fact stating that they were now developing their 2005 Car. The only significant development would be tires and a few aerodynamic enhancements. And as they say in Formula 1, staying still is moving backwards. Let's not forget that when Ferrari was still developing their current cars, around 2 races ago, they were a full SECOND quicker than anyone else.

But this does not discount the fact that KIMI is a great driver. I think he's a natural, actually, but saying that a driver with 2 victories is better than a driver with 75 is something too absurd to consider, much less believe.

I think ( take note of the word I, as in me only, as in my own opinion, THINK ) the proper thing to assume is that Kimi is a great driver who has the potential to be the best ever ( time will tell ) but at this time, compared to Michael, he is a step or two below.

My .02 guys!


BTW, for me, ang MAGALING na driver ay si David Coulthard! Pucha, iba-iba yung chicks niya palagi! Once nga, iba yung kasama niya sa qualifying and sa race day! Monaco '98 or '99 ata yun. Lupit ni Dabid!