Whatever you guys might say, fact is Renault is the new champion!

[jeff1101]

Whatever you guys might say, fact is Renault is the new champion!
Alonso beat Raikkonen fair and square...
All hail Alonso!!
All hail Renault!!

WTF happened to M. Shumacher.!!???

[hagiber]

Flavio is that you ?

[hens]

Whatever you guys might say, fact is Renault is the new champion!
Sige na nga!!! :lol:

[theveed]

F1 Stinks hehehe

[BlueBimmer]

so?? boriiiiiing! hehehe

[theveed]

mas exciting horse racing :D

[Isuzoom]

Renault is Nissan, Nissan is Renault

[theveed]

F1 can be raced without drivers, i dont get why they pay the drivers so much when it's the engineers that makes or breaks the season.

[BoyFerrari]

F1 can be raced without drivers, i dont get why they pay the drivers so much when it's the engineers that makes or breaks the season.

Formula One has to add some kind of celebrity status to the sport to attract non-techie fans who know nothing about car engines and stuffs. If a driver is popular with fans, advertisers will pay obscene amounts of money to have their brand and logos printed on his helmet, cap, or t-shirt.

Because engineers are usually the geeks who work inside the factory labs, it's hard to turn them into celebrities in the marketing point of view.

[GlennSter]

errr...ok.

go subaru!!!!!!!!!!





















oops...wrong thread

[theveed]

Boy: That's my point, F1 is becoming a business joke involving fast cars. The drivers' skillset and talents aren't the main concern anymore which is dumb for a racing scenario.

No wonder the fanbase of F1 is dwindling fast the past 5 years.

As most journalist say, "put racing back into the driver's hands damnit"

It's as exciting as watching Kenyan Marathon....

[BoyFerrari]

Boy: That's my point, F1 is becoming a business joke involving fast cars. The drivers' skillset and talents aren't the main concern anymore which is dumb for a racing scenario.

theveed, if you look at it in a balanced perspective, it's a two-way street pa rin. Maintaining a set of competitive F1 cars is EXPENSIVE. You have to partner with SPONSORS so that you can keep the cash flowing to your direction to finance your F1 operation. In order to attract sponsors, your F1 team must be popular with a taste of celebrity. I think that's one difference between AMATEUR racing and PROFESSIONAL racing.

You cannot escape "marketing" in the "professional" world of sports. That's why many will say that the purest of all sports can be found in amateur sports. Once an amateur graduates to become a professional, he is now employed by the advertisers.

If driver celebrity is not your taste, check out the A1 Grand Prix. I think Takuma Sato is headed in that direction next season.

[mazdamazda]

If driver celebrity is not your taste, check out the A1 Grand Prix. I think Takuma Sato is headed in that direction next season.

:bwahaha:

I can just imagine the chaos!!!

Even now... the A1 races are a bit chaotic... drivers spinning... running off to the gravel...

I hope Jacques joins him... hehehe!!!

[ian_rex]

Bernie Ecclestone sucks.

[theveed]

Kakainis, big F1 fan since mid 80s then binaboy from 2001 onwards.

Even Nigel Mansell thinks so...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/3866933.stm

[niky]

That's why we now have the 1-tireset rule, the lower downforce and 1-lap qualifying.

As for drivers not mattering, that's bull. Look at Honda BAR. They should be winning... but who do they have? :lol:

For those of you who missed Japan, sayang, that was the best F1 race I've seen in the last three or four years.

And yay Fernando! yay Kimi! Boo Mclaren! Get better parts! Go Japanese!

[theveed]

The fact that it took you four years to see an exciting race speaks much about the organization's "vision" of racing.

If drivers are bigger factors than their cars in F1, why in the world did a driver that had the most championships in history failed to make more than 2 wins in a season with a seemingly "supreme" car that dominated for 5 years or so?

No matter what angle you look at it, F1 post 2000 sucks compared to what it was before. The fanbase of F1 used to be racing fanatics that are loyal to their cars, now it's mostly about the driver's celebrity status.

Racing without overtaking is not racing per se.

[nicolodeon]

I agree with Theveed. F1 is loosing its fanbase. What kind of race allows a team to order a driver to back-off/slow-down to allow his more illustrious compatriot to win a race? F1 one now is about glamour and getting a ton of money from sponsors to support their moviestar lifestyles.

Don't get me wrong: I'm still an F1 fan but I don't follow it as religiously as before. I like the WRC more. They race in real cars (meaning race versions of street cars) in real roads and arguably perform more skilfull driving moves compared to F1 drivers. Where in F1 do you see a driver hitting a hairpin turn only to see a 10 foot drop in front of him after he hits the turn? Now that's racing.

[BoyFerrari]

I agree with Theveed. F1 is loosing its fanbase.

I think that's a subjective observation. In fact, this 2005 season is the longest season in F1. Many other cities are bidding to be included in the F1 season schedule, including Moscow (Midland F1 is from Russia) and South Africa. They even plan 2 GP races in the Middle East aside from Bahrain. They are even trying to reduce the series venues because the drivers are too stressed already.

Take the United States F1 GP for example also. Even after the gigantic fiasco that took place this year, Indianapolis has confirmed that the F1 United States GP in 2006 will proceed as scheduled and will not be dropped as a result of continued patronage despite the incident that took place this year.

There are also emerging fanbase like China, where people are starting to get into the hype of F1 compared to all other motor sports there.

I guess the "loosing fanbase" you are referring to are the "oldies" and the "racing purists" that have become very meticulous on how motor sports should be run. I may have to agree with you on that.

Where in F1 do you see a driver hitting a hairpin turn only to see a 10 foot drop in front of him after he hits the turn? Now that's racing.

I know what you have in mind. Unfortunately, you used a wrong example. We can't do that on an F1, can we?

[nicolodeon]

I know what you have in mind. Unfortunately, you used a wrong example. We can't do that on an F1, can we?

I was comparing F1 races with WRC races. But I agree with you: there are a number of things that a WRC can do that a F1 car can't do.