Your Thoughts on BIR's Ad Campaign?

[ClaNker]

Bro.,- honestly,- I would like to believe that there are only a few of them, even if my limited exposures are on the big hospitals.

However, realistically,- I think that there's a multitude of them, sadly.

Again,- we should all contribute our fair share in nation building.



22.9K:toma:

I totally agree.

Tsaka nakaka awa naman mga politicians natin, mas malaki pa sana ma bubulsa nila pag lahat tayo ay nag babayad ng tamang buwis.

[cast_no_shadow]

Aba hindi lang basta basta doctor. Head pa ng PMA

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/589594/...ax-evasion-rap


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[macsd]

Aba hindi lang basta basta doctor. Head pa ng PMA

PMA chief Olarte slapped with tax evasion rap | Inquirer News


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They can't beat him on the PRC issue, now it's tax evasion their slapping. Let's see how far this will go as this Olarte is not only a dr but lawyer as well. Sana yung mga naghahabol sa kanya eh may back-up na albolaryo or they'll end up as cadaver the moment they get to be confined in a hospital.

[NiCe2KnowU]

yung Head pa talaga ng PMA ang number one tax evader
ng mga doctor eh noh.. pahiya siguro yang mokong na yan
putak ng putak sa tv yan hindi naman pala nagbabayad ng buwis :hysterical:

[ClaNker]

Sus naman kailangan ba talaga ng BIR mag labas ng malaking pera para sa shame campaign para lang maka pag file ng tax evasion rap. Nuknukan naman tayo sa katangahan nyan.

Ngayon pati Bank Secrecy law gusto ng pakialaman ni Henares, napaka estupido ng taong to. Sa dinami-dami na ng mga pinag-gagawa nya eh ba't di nya magawang linisin ahensya nya.

[kapitan88]

Effective! Dami sapul oh, mga tinamaan ng magaling. Hahaha. Pag ayaw, dami dahilan. San pa b magsisimula yan pag ayos ng gobyerno? Kailangan in 1 click malinis na lahat?

[ClaNker]

^Anong effective?

Naabot naba ng BIR target collection nila dahil dito? Gastos para sa flawed add/shame campaign then gagastos pa sa pag prosecute ng tax evader, effective nga.

Ba't di na lang dumiretso sa pag prosecute para kunti lang ang gagastosin. Effective?

Nalinis na ba kalakaran sa loob ng BIR? "Ayan na ang examiner, may appointment daw po kayo sa opisina pwede pa daw pong pakiusapan. Basta po eto lang ang declare natin sa resibo."

Abay talagang effective nga, kahit walang ginagawa para malinis ang ahensya. :hysterical:

[A121]

^Anong effective?

Naabot naba ng BIR target collection nila dahil dito? Gastos para sa flawed add/shame campaign then gagastos pa sa pag prosecute ng tax evader, effective nga.

Ba't di na lang dumiretso sa pag prosecute para kunti lang ang gagastosin. Effective?

Nalinis na ba kalakaran sa loob ng BIR? "Ayan na ang examiner, may appointment daw po kayo sa opisina pwede pa daw pong pakiusapan. Basta po eto lang ang declare natin sa resibo."

Abay talagang effective nga, kahit walang ginagawa para malinis ang ahensya. :hysterical:

BIR is penalizing good tax payers with their system.

[ClaNker]

BIR is penalizing good tax payers with their system.

Yap, and now Henares want's to know how much you have in your bank so she can tax it as well.

[Manilablock]

Gumastos lang naman ng malaking pera ang BIR for something we already know.



Yan ang BIR. Wala namang effect ang shame campaign na to, they will still have to prosecute.

At para di ka habulin eh areglohin si director, prepare ka ng sobre.

Ung doctor na unang nag react sa shame campain ng BIR kinasuhan na ng tax evation.

ang sagot ni doc, pwede naman pag usapan kung kulang ung naibayad na tax.

ang sagot ni henares, sabi ni doc maghanap ang BIR ng tax evader na doctor at kasuhan kesa gumamit ng shame campain, wish granted, hehehe.

[ClaNker]

Ung doctor na unang nag react sa shame campain ng BIR kinasuhan na ng tax evation.

ang sagot ni doc, pwede naman pag usapan kung kulang ung naibayad na tax.

ang sagot ni henares, sabi ni doc maghanap ang BIR ng tax evader na doctor at kasuhan kesa gumamit ng shame campain, wish granted, hehehe.

Nakow ayan nga ang pinag pipilitan ko dito eh. Pwede mo naman palang kasohan na lang ba't kapa gumastos ng pagka lakilaki para sa walang kwentang shame campaign.

Sus ginoo BIR ka bobo mo.

[confused shoes]

^Hindi naman siguro obobs ang mga taga BIR, pre. Hehe. Kung tayo nga alam natin kung sino ang dapat habulin. Sila pa kaya na ang pag kolekta ng tax ang pinag-aralan?

Siguro alam na rin natin ang obvious pag media ang ginamit.

[kapitan88]

masyado tayo mainipin, hindi yan makukuha sa 1 click. Change sa govt natin is a loooong journey that must start with 1 step. tingnan natin ang result next year. Malaki ang reach ng media, itong propaganda ng bir obviously ay naka abot sa intended persons kaya kung maka react ang iba. so maybe, yung ibang may konsyensya ay will start to issue receipts na at mag bayad din ng konting tax man lang.

duty natin bantayan ang kaban ng bayan at magcontribute sa kaban ng bayan just like a teacher na pumapasan sa ilang doctor.

wish ko lang na madinig din sa news together with the cases filed against some tax evaders, e yung ulo naman nung mga natitira pang buwaya na naka pwesto sa govt offices ay gumulong din.

again hindi dahil meron pang natitirang corrupt sa office ng bir, gamiting reason for some docs to not pay their taxes. pantay pantay ang pasan.

meron din akong pinsan na todo ang tira sa gobyerno ni penoy, kesyo matinding corruption pa din, kesyo student council daw ang gobyerno, at sya daw (si insan) ang pinakamagaling at tama ang kanyang pananaw na dapat gawin ng gobyerno ideas nya; pero si daddy nya di din nag iissue ng receipt sa patients. -kaya pala.

[confused shoes]

^ Issuing an OR is no big deal. Kahit sinong businessman sa atin (BIG or small), alam nila kung paano bilugin ang BIR at BIR din mismo ang nagtuturo sa kanila.

That doctor's issue is only a dot.

[ClaNker]

^ Issuing an OR is no big deal. Kahit sinong businessman sa atin (BIG or small), alam nila kung paano bilugin ang BIR at BIR din mismo ang nagtuturo sa kanila.

That doctor's issue is only a dot.

Mismo, ang areglohan ay nasa loob BIR mismo. Hindi na sapat ngayon na mag declare ka lang ng tama, hahanapan at hahanapan ka ng butas. So ang siste eh makipag areglo na lang.

[ClaNker]

masyado tayo mainipin, hindi yan makukuha sa 1 click. Change sa govt natin is a loooong journey that must start with 1 step. tingnan natin ang result next year. Malaki ang reach ng media, itong propaganda ng bir obviously ay naka abot sa intended persons kaya kung maka react ang iba. so maybe, yung ibang may konsyensya ay will start to issue receipts na at mag bayad din ng konting tax man lang.

duty natin bantayan ang kaban ng bayan at magcontribute sa kaban ng bayan just like a teacher na pumapasan sa ilang doctor.

wish ko lang na madinig din sa news together with the cases filed against some tax evaders, e yung ulo naman nung mga natitira pang buwaya na naka pwesto sa govt offices ay gumulong din.

again hindi dahil meron pang natitirang corrupt sa office ng bir, gamiting reason for some docs to not pay their taxes. pantay pantay ang pasan.

meron din akong pinsan na todo ang tira sa gobyerno ni penoy, kesyo matinding corruption pa din, kesyo student council daw ang gobyerno, at sya daw (si insan) ang pinakamagaling at tama ang kanyang pananaw na dapat gawin ng gobyerno ideas nya; pero si daddy nya di din nag iissue ng receipt sa patients. -kaya pala.

Anak ng tokwa, gagastos ka ng 180M para lang maka abot sa intended persons and gusto mong iparating. Ang dami nyan, tapos gagastos ka ng malaking pera para lang sa Doctor, Online seller, at Accountants.

Lord kunin nyo po sya (Henares) parang awa nyo na. Bank secrecy law nanaman ang pinag iinitan eh, baka gagastos nanaman po ng ilang milyon para sa shame campaign against banks.

[niky]

Ung doctor na unang nag react sa shame campain ng BIR kinasuhan na ng tax evation.

ang sagot ni doc, pwede naman pag usapan kung kulang ung naibayad na tax.

ang sagot ni henares, sabi ni doc maghanap ang BIR ng tax evader na doctor at kasuhan kesa gumamit ng shame campain, wish granted, hehehe.

Wrong.

The doctor said that he cannot comment on it until they send their demand letter to him, which they have not, and that if he truly owes back taxes, he is willing to pay them and the penalty.

The BIR says they gathered the data from the "withholding agents"... ergo... the schools at which he teaches.

Which is strange, because, working at a school, my taxes are automatically withheld (kaya nga withholding agents). So either they didn't withhold taxes, which case, the employer is also liable, or the BIR is trying to hit him with double jeopardy.

This is going to be... interesting.

Walk the talk, BIR. But if it turns out that they have no case, this will be embarrassing.

[kapitan88]

On unang hirit this morning after henares interview; clavio then interviewed olarte, and he did said that he "may have" "some" back taxes that he is willing to pay if proven.

Niky, your case is probably different from olarte. Yes he was teaching, and yes his employer deduct tax from him, BUT, teaching is NOT the only his source of income. If you have more than 1 source, you are required to submit your ITR (consolidated from all sources of income); the usual employer substituted filing is NOT applicable here, becuase the school has no business to know or to track his OTHER sources of income (Doctor; business; . . .)

Wrong.

The doctor said that he cannot comment on it until they send their demand letter to him, which they have not, and that if he truly owes back taxes, he is willing to pay them and the penalty.

The BIR says they gathered the data from the "withholding agents"... ergo... the schools at which he teaches.

Which is strange, because, working at a school, my taxes are automatically withheld (kaya nga withholding agents). So either they didn't withhold taxes, which case, the employer is also liable, or the BIR is trying to hit him with double jeopardy.

This is going to be... interesting.

Walk the talk, BIR. But if it turns out that they have no case, this will be embarrassing.

[kapitan88]

to add: it is also different setup on who has the burden of proof, yes bir comes up with their estimates that you owe them taxes, but it still lies on an individual to prove to bir his income, if you contest their estimate, you have to prove them wrong with documents to show that your computation is more accurate. Hindi pwede pakita sayo ni bir yung mga nilista nilang kinita mo, kasi if they did, alam mo na kung alin yung mga nakalusot, at alin lang yung nakita.

[niky]

if you contest their estimate, you have to prove them wrong with documents to show that your computation is more accurate.

In the end though, 2.9m inaccurate? Feeling ko pinatungan ng pinatungan lang ng fines para magmukhang big fish. If there's anything he owes there, it will be through technicalities and miscalculations. It would not make sense to cheat on taxes for income that is already a matter of public record.

Like I said, we'll see.

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Do note: I fully agree that no one should get a free pass on taxes, and a lot of doctors really don't pay them, but I'm puzzled, really, that the BIR is going via this avenue, through official records of employee compensation, to get at Olarte. That would seem to indicate that they lack a smoking gun and are going after him on technicalities. (Again, though, if they have a smoking gun, good for them!)

All you have to do is gather affidavits from patients who paid and did not get receipts, then present that as a clear violation of the law.

Hard to do. Who would like to admit that they didn't bother to ask for a receipt, merely to get a discount? Remember, the big "come on" for doctors to not give receipts is by telling their patients that they have to charge extra if they issue a receipt (very familiar song and dance). Thus people do things off the books to save money.