Is WWIII inevitable?

[tsupermario]

US intelligence agencies know everything about the US proxy war they created in Ukraine. The fact that they are now pretending not to know what's happening is a strong indicator that the war is going badly for Ukraine.

when was the war ever good for ukraine? [emoji51]

[boybi]

when was the war ever good for ukraine? [emoji51]

When was war ever good for anyone, except the US?

[tsupermario]

When was war ever good for anyone, except the US?

if you meant the US arms industry then russia is too, since they’re just behind the US.

[boybi]

if you meant the US arms industry then russia is too, since they’re just behind the US.

But Russia is being sanctioned, while the US......

[tsupermario]

[uls]

when was the war ever good for ukraine? [emoji51]

of course it's not good for ukraine's people but it's not for them to decide

decisions about the war were made in washington and london

ukraine is only a pawn

zelensky is a puppet of the West

if he doesn't want his people to suffer he can negotiate with putin

but his handlers in DC and London want to use Ukraine to weaken Russia via a long war

to exhaust Russia

that's why zelensky keeps asking for weapons

and he says he won't accept giving up territory, even saying he wants crimea back

that doesn't sound like a leader who doesn't want more death and suffering

he wants more weapons = more fighting = more death and suffering

[uls]

the warmongers in DC and london don't care about ukrainian lives

the warmongers work for the military industrial complex (MIC)

there's no more war in afghanistan and iraq... no more flow of $$$

they need another long war so money keeps flowing to the MIC

[shadow]

of course it's not good for ukraine's people but it's not for them to decide

decisions about the war were made in washington and london

ukraine is only a pawn

zelensky is a puppet of the West

if he doesn't want his people to suffer he can negotiate with putin

but his handlers in DC and London want to use Ukraine to weaken Russia via a long war

to exhaust Russia

that's why zelensky keeps asking for weapons

and he says he won't accept giving up territory, even saying he wants crimea back

that doesn't sound like a leader who doesn't want more death and suffering

he wants more weapons = more fighting = more death and suffering

Hinde ko pa rin maintindihan bakit si Zslwngsky napupunta nanaman ang mali? Bakit hinde si Putin ang dapat magsabi na he will stop the incursion na?

For example kung sabihin ni Putin atras na sila tapusin na yun invasion, hinde pa rin titigil America saka Ukraine?

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[tsupermario]

of course it's not good for ukraine's people but it's not for them to decide

decisions about the war were made in washington and london

ukraine is only a pawn

zelensky is a puppet of the West

if he doesn't want his people to suffer he can negotiate with putin

but his handlers in DC and London want to use Ukraine to weaken Russia via a long war

to exhaust Russia

that's why zelensky keeps asking for weapons

and he says he won't accept giving up territory, even saying he wants crimea back

that doesn't sound like a leader who doesn't want more death and suffering

he wants more weapons = more fighting = more death and suffering

maybe a ukrainian can shed some light, unless he is another alleged US puppet

We Ukrainians want peace more than anyone in the world. For about 100 days, we have been fighting Russian forces on the ground, in the sky, on the sea, and in cyber and information spaces. Defence experts originally gave us little hope of success. They changed their position when we showed our ability to resist. Now we need to demonstrate the strength to hold our course and resist the temptations of a false resolution.

In this existential battle for our future, ostensibly friendly or consoling pundits and politicians persistently suggest we should surrender to achieve peace more quickly. Of course, we do not want a war to take longer than necessary, but we will not get trapped into a bogus deal which will only make things worse.

Among those who advised a quick fix was the former US secretary of state Henry Kissinger, who suggested we should cede territory in exchange for ending the war. His intervention was appalling and, for a well-known strategic thinker, he was amazingly non-strategic. Conceding territory will not end the war. It will reinforce it. Russia has not abandoned its primary objective of getting rid of Ukraine, wiping us off the map. Any concessions would reward and legitimise its strategy. Far from stopping Russia’s pursuit of its broader military goals, it would feel emboldened.

Responding to force with territorial concessions would also have tragic global consequences. It would open the door to similar cases around the world. We do not want to live in a world where brute force decides which country we live in and which regime we belong to. We do not want to live in a world where only large countries can be truly sovereign.

Receiving that suggestion from a renowned expert was very surprising. However, the idea was immediately picked up by the Russians, who cynically blamed Ukraine for a desire to continue an unnecessary war. Some media commentators also started to debate the need for a compromise to secure peace. This is manipulative and wrong.

Imagine the harrowing scenario of your home being invaded by a street gang which then occupied part of your house. What peaceful compromise is possible? None. You would expect the police to deal with it. Suggesting that compromising with a criminal act leads to peace is ridiculous. It is similarly absurd in the case of the Russian invasion.

Many armed conflicts do end with a compromise, but it would be illogical to assume all of them should. The only reason for this invasion was Putin’s obsession with subjugating Ukraine. What compromise is possible when your adversary’s goal is that you should not exist? The unspeakably brutal way in which Russians treat our occupied towns and villages is known throughout the world. True peace can only be secured when the invader leaves our country.

Ukraine is desperate for peace, but we won’t sign up to a bogus Russian deal

Andriy Zagorodnyuk

Andriy Zagorodnyuk is a chairman of the Centre for Defence Strategies, and a former Ukrainian defence minister


Ukraine is desperate for peace, but we won’t sign up to a bogus Russian deal | Andriy Zagorodnyuk | The Guardian

[tsupermario]

the warmongers in DC and london don't care about ukrainian lives

the warmongers work for the military industrial complex (MIC)

there's no more war in afghanistan and iraq... no more flow of $$$

they need another long war so money keeps flowing to the MIC

the MIC does not even need actual wars to make money. the threat of having one is enough…

[Egan101]

Assuming Russia and the Western allies won’t budge, a great leader would always seek the best for his people. Sometimes, facing defeat humbly could save more lives.

For Zelensky, he chose war instead of peace. He alone can stop the suffering of the Ukrainians. His defiance may seem heroic but at the cost of his country’s destruction and the carnage of its citizens. Once Russia leaves and the Western allies stop the flow of weapons, he is left with a country in ruins.


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[shadow]

Ganyan mga sinasabi mo, bakit Ukraine and zelengsky ang lumalabas na may kasalanan at gusto ng giyera where infact isang tao ang ang pwede talagang mag stop nito.

Bakit nawawala nanaman yun kasalanan kay Putin just like sa China during sa early part ng covid when they kept it a secret?


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[uls]

maybe a ukrainian can shed some light, unless he is another alleged US puppet



Ukraine is desperate for peace, but we won’t sign up to a bogus Russian deal

Andriy Zagorodnyuk

Andriy Zagorodnyuk is a chairman of the Centre for Defence Strategies, and a former Ukrainian defence minister


Ukraine is desperate for peace, but we won’t sign up to a bogus Russian deal | Andriy Zagorodnyuk | The Guardian

gimme a break

his being ukrainian is irrelevant

he's part of the Establishment and comfortably far away from the war

it's DC think tank



syempre he wants to prolong the war

the whole DC Establishment wants to prolong the war

[uls]

the MIC does not even need actual wars to make money. the threat of having one is enough…

pinaka siga na nga sila sa mundo

wala kaya lumaban sa kanila

but their defense budget is greater than everyone put together

they justify continuous spending by creating enemies / threats

they are the biggest threat to world peace

a country that needs to be constantly at war

to feed the MIC beast

[Egan101]

Ganyan mga sinasabi mo, bakit Ukraine and zelengsky ang lumalabas na may kasalanan at gusto ng giyera where infact isang tao ang ang pwede talagang mag stop nito.

Bakit nawawala nanaman yun kasalanan kay Putin just like sa China during sa early part ng covid when they kept it a secret?


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Russia is all to blame for this invasion. The Western Allies could have negotiated for peace instead of prolonging the war.

However, Zelensky has all the power and understanding to do what’s best for his people. If accepting defeat means peace and the end of hostilities, I guess it’s the great sacrifice a leader should do. On the other hand, warmongers feed your pride and push you to never accept defeat.


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[uls]

if you believe Zelensky is only a puppet (which i do) then it is not up to Zelensky to decide (ceasefire)

kahit gusto ni Zelensky kung ayaw ng mga boss niya wala siya magagawa

binigyan na siya ng script -- keep asking for weapons, surrender no territory (coz if he surrenders territory it sends a bad signal)

he's an actor playing president of Ukraine

the real decisionmakers are in DC, London, Brussels

[shadow]

Yun exemple nga sa article na meron pumasok sa bahay ninyo and then gusto sa sala na siya titira at sa kanya na yun para walang gulo, papayag ba kayo para matapos na lang gulo?


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[uls]

in other words, the decisionmakers in DC, London, Brussels are will to keep supplying weapons and sacrifice more Ukrainian lives just to send that signal to world

sorry Ukraine di ka pwede mag surrender

may katwiran mga amo mo

Ukraine is being used as an example

sending a signal to China:

"this is what happens if you invade Taiwan"

"it's going to be very costly for you"

[shadow]

in other words, the decisionmakers in DC, London, Brussels are will to keep supplying weapons and sacrifice more Ukrainian lives just to send that signal to world

sorry Ukraine di ka pwede mag surrender

may katwiran mga amo mo

Ukraine is being used as an example

sending a signal to China:

"this is what happens if you invade Taiwan"

"it's going to be very costly for you"

So ganun na lang nga dapat any country na meron mag invade eh mag lay down and die na lang just to keep the peace?

Kunin na lang nila kung ano gusto at anong gusto nila gawin. Ok lang.

Again why at we blaming the victim of the invasion instead na condeming the invader?


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[uls]

Yun exemple nga sa article na meron pumasok sa bahay ninyo and then gusto sa sala na siya titira at sa kanya na yun para walang gulo, papayag ba kayo para matapos na lang gulo?


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yes that's why i said Ukraine doesn't make the decision kahit hirap na sila at gusto na nila mag surrender

kasi bad signal yan

it sends a signal to china that if they invade taiwan and manage to beat taiwan's defenses + western assistance, they can keep taiwan

so hindi pwede mag surrender ang ukraine

the implication is bigger than ukraine so it's not up to ukraine to decide

the war will end when the Empire managers in the West decide it ends