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  1. Join Date
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    Of course not. Of all the candidates he has the most negatives and the least of the positives. For the negatives he has more killings than Erap. Erap has only Edgar Bentain, Dacer and Corbito. Noynoy has Hacienda Luisita (7) and the 8 more after that. The other candidates are not fond of killing their enemies. That is not counting the Mendiola massacre that happened during the administration of St.Cory.
    For the corruption issue, both Villar and Noynoy has the expressways issue. Villar has the C-5, while Noynoy has the SCTex . Villar has been investigated and tried by his peers. Noynoy's SCTex is brewing but the yellow press and ABS-CBN are covering it. They are just investigating C-5.Villar benfited from C-5, but Noynoy built the ScTex to convert the hacienda to an industrial complex with government money. This will deprive the poor farmers of their land that the government of yesteryears planned to give them, but the Cojuangco family doesnt't want to.
    C-5 involved 200 million pesos, but SCTex involved ten times that.
    Erap's corruption issues has been heard and he has been pardoned for them.
    The other candidates have no major corruption issues against them.
    For the positives, Erap showed waht he can do. And they were bad. Villar has been Speaker and Senate President. Gordon has been a mayor (a good one at that), Senator, president of the Red Cross, and was a major factor in the rehab of Subic. Jamby madrigal has been a spoiled senator whose major achievement was claiming riches that her aunt doesn't want to give to her.Perlas is a very good environmentalist and is a good administrator. Gibo has been a congressman and defense secretary and has no issues behind him. Noynoy has been a son of Ninoy and Cory and a brother of Kris. He was the VP of security for Hacienda Luisita and a congressman and senator also.
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    That explains kung bakit maraming baril si Noynoy.

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    this is just like what happened after Marcos was exiled, there was no other choice than cory, so look at what happened during her time. wala. restoration ng democracy! do people want the Philippines to be under naman sa lesser evel na wala alam, but in reality hindi lesser evil. Have heard pa na during the Luisita massacare abnoy was there when it happened inside his car watching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ARB View Post
    this is just like what happened after Marcos was exiled, there was no other choice than cory, so look at what happened during her time. wala. restoration ng democracy! do people want the Philippines to be under naman sa lesser evel na wala alam, but in reality hindi lesser evil. Have heard pa na during the Luisita massacare abnoy was there when it happened inside his car watching.
    You need to revisit your history books regarding choices during the elections that led to People Power and Macoy fleeing the country to live in exile. If you think restoration of democracy is "wala", then you forget one simple principle. You wouldn't have the freedom of speech to post your opinions, even if based on hearsay.

    You sound like one of the pro-Marcos, anti-Cory ads of the era. The one that said "Wala siyang alam." To which she countered, "Oo. Wala akong alam. Wala akong alam sa pagnanakaw, pagpapatay ng taong di sumasang-ayon sa mga utos ko at sa pagbabawali-wala ng mga karapatang pantao." Those were powerful words to mobilize an entire country to vote against the dictator.

    Walang choice? Meron. Si Cory ang pinili di lang ng ordinayong mamamayan, kundi pati ng ibang mga pulitikang may balak sanang tumakbo noon. Read your history books, o kahit wikipedia man lang.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JackFlash View Post
    You need to revisit your history books regarding choices during the elections that led to People Power and Macoy fleeing the country to live in exile. If you think restoration of democracy is "wala", then you forget one simple principle. You wouldn't have the freedom of speech to post your opinions, even if based on hearsay.

    You sound like one of the pro-Marcos, anti-Cory ads of the era. The one that said "Wala siyang alam." To which she countered, "Oo. Wala akong alam. Wala akong alam sa pagnanakaw, pagpapatay ng taong di sumasang-ayon sa mga utos ko at sa pagbabawali-wala ng mga karapatang pantao." Those were powerful words to mobilize an entire country to vote against the dictator.

    Walang choice? Meron. Si Cory ang pinili di lang ng ordinayong mamamayan, kundi pati ng ibang mga pulitikang may balak sanang tumakbo noon. Read your history books, o kahit wikipedia man lang.
    wala nga sya alam sa pagnanakaw ang mga nasa likod nya alam, at hindi ya ma control. yes i think i need to visit my history books since during that time I was still in school and I seem can't find any thing good that cory did for the country except restore democracy, which I guess she was just the beneficiary of it but it was really the 2 guys that saved us from macoy. And if my history is correct macoy was the one who started 13th month pay, masagana 99, LRT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PITIK4259 View Post
    Of course not. Of all the candidates he has the most negatives and the least of the positives. For the negatives he has more killings than Erap. Erap has only Edgar Bentain, Dacer and Corbito. Noynoy has Hacienda Luisita (7) and the 8 more after that. The other candidates are not fond of killing their enemies. That is not counting the Mendiola massacre that happened during the administration of St.Cory.
    For the corruption issue, both Villar and Noynoy has the expressways issue. Villar has the C-5, while Noynoy has the SCTex . Villar has been investigated and tried by his peers. Noynoy's SCTex is brewing but the yellow press and ABS-CBN are covering it. They are just investigating C-5.Villar benfited from C-5, but Noynoy built the ScTex to convert the hacienda to an industrial complex with government money. This will deprive the poor farmers of their land that the government of yesteryears planned to give them, but the Cojuangco family doesnt't want to.
    C-5 involved 200 million pesos, but SCTex involved ten times that.
    Erap's corruption issues has been heard and he has been pardoned for them.
    The other candidates have no major corruption issues against them.
    For the positives, Erap showed waht he can do. And they were bad. Villar has been Speaker and Senate President. Gordon has been a mayor (a good one at that), Senator, president of the Red Cross, and was a major factor in the rehab of Subic. Jamby madrigal has been a spoiled senator whose major achievement was claiming riches that her aunt doesn't want to give to her.Perlas is a very good environmentalist and is a good administrator. Gibo has been a congressman and defense secretary and has no issues behind him. Noynoy has been a son of Ninoy and Cory and a brother of Kris. He was the VP of security for Hacienda Luisita and a congressman and senator also.
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    Since napakalaki ng gastos sa SCTex by the Goverment. How come almost walang budget si Noynoy to run for president. Kung super laki nag supposed to be na kinita nya dito, dapat talo nya pa si villar sa dami ng mga commercials.

    Iyong rally/strike sa luisita, napasok kasi ng KMU. may mga hakot pa. I think alam ng lahat kung gaano ka pursigido ang KMu kung mag rally/strike.

    For me, ang importante ay bumoto tayo para piliin natin ang nararapat na gumanap na pinuno ng bansa. Para sa akin, ang mga hindi bumoto (pero 18 and above naman) ay walang karapatan na magsalita kung sino ang dapat na pinuno. Now king sino naman ang pinili ng nakakarami, sana lahat tayo ay suportahan siya para magawa ang dapat magawa para sa bansa. Iyon lang po.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meledson View Post
    Since napakalaki ng gastos sa SCTex by the Goverment. How come almost walang budget si Noynoy to run for president. Kung super laki nag supposed to be na kinita nya dito, dapat talo nya pa si villar sa dami ng mga commercials.

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    The Aquinos' benfit from SCTEX is not monetary. It is in the increased value of their land because of that very important infrastructure.

    Talk of integrity.

    The Cojuangco ancestors acquired Luisita on the promise of distributing it to farmers later. That didn't happen.

    Sen. Noynoy lobbied for a major expressway to be near their hacienda. Now from a an agricultural land, they plan to turn it into an industrial complex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fourtheboys96 View Post
    The Aquinos' benfit from SCTEX is not monetary. It is in the increased value of their land because of that very important infrastructure.

    Talk of integrity.

    The Cojuangco ancestors acquired Luisita on the promise of distributing it to farmers later. That didn't happen.

    Sen. Noynoy lobbied for a major expressway to be near their hacienda. Now from a an agricultural land, they plan to turn it into an industrial complex.
    The Aquinos do not own Hacianda Luisita. Ang ankan ng mga Cojuancos ang may-ari.

    The NLEX extension was planned way way back before. naantala lang ang plans dahil kay pinatubo. I do not think na politiko na siya that time.

    So kung napakalaki ng ibiyayad para sa right of way, bakit walang budget si Noynoy to run for president?

    Why do you say that:

    The Cojuangco ancestors acquired Luisita on the promise of distributing it to farmers later. That didn't happen.
    If I remember correctly, nabili nila ang lupain na ito sa mga kastila.
    Last edited by meledson; February 16th, 2010 at 10:18 AM.

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    Hindi nabili ng mga Cojuangco ang Hacienda Luisita. The Magsaysay government guaranteed a loan from an American Bank on the condition that the land would be distributed to the farmers after ten years. After ten years the land was not distributed. St. Cory's mom claimed that there were no tenants on the hacienda so there were no tenants to distribute the land to. This showed that the Aquino-Cojuangco families were the earliest cronies.Ninoy and St. Cory had Ramon Magsaysay for thier ninong at their wedding.
    After so many years and St. Cory became president, she had agrarian reform as a major program of her government. She got the lands of other hacienderos distributed to their tenants, but when it came to Luisita, she had it exempted from CARP. What a hypocrite!!!!!! And when the poor farmers had a strike to protest, they were massacred. You claim that they were KMU or from the left, don't you think they are still human beings? No matter what you say, whether they are from the left or right that was still murder. After the massacre, they were still 8 more separate deaths related to Luisita. One of them was an Aglipayan priest and an Aglipayan Bishop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meledson View Post
    Since napakalaki ng gastos sa SCTex by the Goverment. How come almost walang budget si Noynoy to run for president. Kung super laki nag supposed to be na kinita nya dito, dapat talo nya pa si villar sa dami ng mga commercials.
    Appeal to pity lang yan na walang budget, kailangan ng piso-piso para sa kampanya na galing sa masa na bandang huli di naman kinagat ng masa.

    Palabas lang na walang budget dahil si Kris at Boy Abunda ang unang brain sa campaign strategy.

    May paawa effects pa na ibebenta daw ni Boy Abunda ang kanyang isang bahay at ido donate na lang sa kampanya. Nitong nakaraang mga linggo napansin na ng LP na hindi uubra ang paawa effects strategy nila Kris at Boy kaya LP na ang humahawak ng campaign strategy.

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    No way! if tita cory hadn't died, nobody will even think of noynoy being a president, not even one of his ka-partidos thought of that. talaga naman kasing walang nagawa. I'll vote for Villar.

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    ^^^

    kaya nga sabi ko dati pa, Noynoy is being used

    when the LP saw the outpouring of support when Cory died, and the turnout during Cory's funeral,

    they thought "hey, if we make Noynoy run for president, he could win"

    so they convinced Noynoy to run

    eto naman si Noynoy feeling niya destiny niya

    haha

    basta... if Noynoy wins, asahan niyo hindi si Noynoy ang magpapatakbo sa gobyerno

    it will be the people around him

    Noynoy will just be like a spokesman, a marionette

    the decisionmakers (puppetmasters) will be behind the scenes
    Last edited by uls; April 19th, 2010 at 01:00 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    ^^^

    kaya nga sabi ko dati pa, Noynoy is being used

    when the LP saw the outpouring of support when Cory died, and the turnout during Cory's funeral,

    they thought "hey, if we make Noynoy run for president, he could win"

    so they convinced Noynoy to run

    eto naman si Noynoy feeling niya destiny niya

    haha

    basta... if Noynoy wins, asahan niyo hindi si Noynoy ang magpapatakbo sa gobyerno

    it will be the people around him

    Noynoy will just be like a spokesman, a marionette

    the decisionmakers (puppetmasters) will be behind the scenes
    What is your basis in saying that? I know its pure conjecture, and just a product of your fertile imagination.

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    I must also have a wild imagination! I also see Sen. Aquino as a president held on the throat by the old families (those who enriched themselves in this country), the old politicians, the puppet masters of Filipino fate and destiny whose god is money.

    But what I am not imagining is the "bilog" na hugis "itlog" I will mark for my vote will not have "Aquino" as the candidate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tabularasa View Post
    What is your basis in saying that? I know its pure conjecture, and just a product of your fertile imagination.
    baket noong buhay pa si Cory, there was absolutely no sign that Noynoy was gonna run for president?

    as in wala

    no pre-campaign TV commercials... nothing

    Roxas was the LP presidential candidate. He was the one who had pre-campaign TV commercials

    then after Cory died, and after her funeral, things changed

    political maneuverings inside LP resulted in Noynoy becoming the LP presidential candidate and Roxas dropping down to VP

    it doesnt take much imagination to figure out why LP did what they did

    LP saw the overwhelming support for Cory when she died

    the atmosphere was electric

    the funeral was more than a funeral

    it was a political statement

    it was obvious that the funeral was also an anti-GMA, anti-corruption protest

    it was like EDSA 1 without tanks

    LP's leaders saw the turnout and support

    they couldnt let something like that go to waste

    if an election was held at that time, people would have made Kris Aquino or any Aquino offspring president

    LP saw their opportunity

    LP realized a Cory offspring is a better bet than Roxas

    you actually believe in that for-the-greater-good fantasy?

    this is still about self-interest

    if Noynoy wins, everyone in LP benefits

    they're all hitching a ride on Noynoy

    and Noynoy thinks it's his destiny
    Last edited by uls; April 19th, 2010 at 11:11 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    baket noong buhay pa si Cory, there was absolutely no sign that Noynoy was gonna run for president?

    as in wala

    no pre-campaign TV commercials... nothing

    Roxas was the LP presidential candidate. He was the one who had pre-campaign TV commercials

    then after Cory died, and after her funeral, things changed

    political maneuverings inside LP resulted in Noynoy becoming the LP presidential candidate and Roxas dropping down to VP

    it doesnt take much imagination to figure out why LP did what they did

    LP saw the overwhelming support for Cory when she died

    the atmosphere was electric

    the funeral was more than a funeral

    it was a political statement

    it was obvious that the funeral was also an anti-GMA, anti-corruption protest

    it was like EDSA 1 without tanks

    LP's leaders saw the turnout and support

    they couldnt let something like that go to waste

    if an election was held at that time, people would have made Kris Aquino or any Aquino offspring president

    LP saw their opportunity

    LP realized a Cory offspring is a better bet than Roxas

    you actually believe in that for-the-greater-good fantasy?

    this is still about self-interest

    if Noynoy wins, everyone in LP benefits

    they're all hitching a ride on Noynoy

    and Noynoy thinks it's his destiny
    You lost one IMPORTANT THING in your analysis. Who personally made the decision to run as President? O i guess, it's also LP?

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    Definitely NOT!!!!

    -ano ba nagawa ni cory bilang presidente?
    -ano ba nagawa ni abnoy este noynoy bilang senador?
    -nadadala lang mga tao sa emosyon nila ke cory, but the truth is, he's gonna be a puppet!

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    Definitely NOT!!!!

    -ano ba nagawa ni cory bilang presidente?
    -ano ba nagawa ni abnoy este noynoy bilang senador?
    -nadadala lang mga tao sa emosyon nila ke cory, but the truth is, he's gonna be a puppet!

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    -ano ba nagawa ni cory bilang presidente? brownouts & coups

    -ano ba nagawa ni abnoy este noynoy bilang senador? mag-yosi at mag-psp

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    Quote Originally Posted by brye101 View Post
    Definitely NOT!!!!

    -ano ba nagawa ni cory bilang presidente?
    -ano ba nagawa ni abnoy este noynoy bilang senador?
    -nadadala lang mga tao sa emosyon nila ke cory, but the truth is, he's gonna be a puppet!

    tama ka, id rather have a perceived corrupt president but competent,than honest but incompetent,2 presidente na incompetent since marcos ang walang nagawa prone sa destabilisation,mahina ang ekonomiya dahil nga hindi alam ang solusyon umaasa sa economic adviser(mayaman din) na ang sariling kapakanan nama iniisip at iyong sa mga kaibigan.maraming gugutumin ang incompetent we are now in 2010 hindi na 1986,wake up

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