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    SHOCKING

    This is no game. This is for real.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0&feature=player_embedded"]YouTube - Collateral Murder - Wikileaks - Iraq[/ame]

    http://www.collateralmurder.com/

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    that's old na

    wikileaks released that in April this year

    US Army Apache helicopter fired on a group of men including a Reuters photographer

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    Yup, was leaked in April. Pero this hasn't been linked here no?

    The worst civilian harm was done on two small children inside the van. 30mm Apache bullets on hapless kids...

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    political motivation yan kaya nila inilalabas yang mga ganyang videos. yung mga pinagpapatay ng mga al shabab sa somali's na UN aid workers bakit hindi nila ilabas? yung mga operation ng taliban sa afganistan bakit hindi sila mag comments? yung mga drugs cartel sa pakistan? yung mga terrorist training grounds ng tamil tigers sa eritrea? hindi nila inilabas kase walang pera don" hindi sila kikita at hindi sila sisikat di ba mga dude. yung Pinay na namatay sa kabul during taliban attacks sa UN compound last 2009. bakit hindi nila ilabas ang mga videos ? ****ing media business. tama lang na alisin ng Financial institution ang suporta nila sa mga taong yan. kase kung nagagawa nilang mag nakaw ng mga classified information sa mga diplomats at mga higly confidential na tao. magagawa rin nilang magnakaw ng mga information sa mga financial institution.

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    sa mga tinatamad eto story ...

    one day, us apache helicopter saw a group of men .. they thought that they were rebels or whatever and thought that the cameras that they were holding were ak47's and rpg's.

    and so they asked permission to engage/fire. and then, permission was granted .. they fired.

    there were 2 reuter reporters who have been killed. - Namir Noor-Eldeen & Saeed Chmagh.

    Namir, was killed instantly. But saeed, was then trying to escape during the firing. Obviously, the air troops saw him and fired at him and then he was left wounded.

    One family ( a mother and a father with 2 children ) who was in a van saw saeed lying on the ground, crawling and asking for help. And so they stopped and carried him back to the van.

    The troops thought that the people in the family were with the alleged " rebels ", so again they asked permission to fire and they were then again, granted.

    The children were wounded. And I think, the mother and father was killed.

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    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zok8yMxXEwk]Collateral Murder? [/ame]

    Watch the UNEDITED version from the link below...

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c1b_1270800204

    WIKI DECEPTION: Iraq "Collateral Murder" Video Rebuttal: Scenes WikiLeaks Edited Out!!


    This video contains footage NOT SEEN in wikileaks 17 minute version. IF YOU WANT CONTEXT WATCH THIS ONE.

    The video released by Wiki Leaks is EXTREMELY misleading, and propagating it as “murder” is borderline criminal. Their 17 minute version edited out any mention of hostile gunfire on the part of insurgents for the purpose of defaming U.S. Defence Forces. WikiLeak head Julian Assange has since reluctantly admitted to AK-47 and RPGs being present. To their credit, they did release a full 39 minute version, but for “research” purposes only. Their edited version tells a very different story.

    0:26 The “Black van” dropping off possible insurgents.

    0:46 “We got a target fifteen coming at you, it’s a guy with a weapon.”

    1:05 “One of them has a weapon.”

    1:27 Guy carrying AK-47, and other with RPG (no way it a tripod) that had previously fired on U.S. Troops. WikiLeak video distracts you with letter box about a camera Bag).

    3:53 “Roger, be advised, there were some guys popping out with the AKs behind that dirt pile. Break.”

    4:25 “Uh, location, I have about 12 to 15 dead bodies. Where else were you taking fire from?”

    4:34 They had AK-47s and were to our East. So, where we were taking small arms fire, over.

    4:59 “I also wanted to make sure you knew that we had a guy with an RPG crouching around the corner, Getting ready to fire on your location. That’s why we requested permission to engage.”

    5:17 (IMPORTANT) “Six this is four, I got one individual looks like he’s got an RPG round laying underneath him. Break.” (Note: Four was at the scene of the shooting and found an RPG, of course wikileaks left that out).

    5:43 “ I can hear small arms fire from your engagement area…”

    6:10 “Right about where we engaged? Yeah, one of them with that RPG or whatever.”

    6:19 “He’s got a weapon. Got an RP–, uh AK-47.”

    6:34 “Roger, we have another individual with a weapon.”

    The WikiLeaks transcription is poor in areas, as well. For instance, one part in their version they claim one guy said “F—-ing Prick”. It was not “prick, it was “break”. Not sure the word before it, sounded cut off.

    USE OF CAMERAS: Should also note that a tactic used in battle is to take pictures using high powered lenses to gather intel on troop location, size, and armament. Photos would then be shared with the RPG carrier for more precise target acquisition. Not saying this was the case here, but that does happen. Tragic as it is, one should know better than to aim what looks like a weapon at ground troops with surveilling Apache Copters overhead, especially when standing next to insurgents carrying an RPG and AK-47s.
    Last edited by Monseratto; December 17th, 2010 at 07:34 PM.

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    For the full 39-min version

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is9sxRfU-ik"]YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.[/ame]

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    ...and if you want the version from a US soldier's perspective who was there, this guy's the one who actually carried the two Iraqi children shot down

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kelmEZe8whI"]YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.[/ame]

    http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010...om-the-ground/

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    The father of the children was at fault for putting them in harms way. Granted that this was the daily life of Iraqis back then but, seriously, who here would go into a scene of recent battle with his children?

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    ^ What harms way?

    That's the excuse of the Apache shooters. The shooters didn't have any justifiable reason on why they have to shoot the van and the rescuers as there was no visible weapon.

    Hindi naman parang battlefield iyong situation wherein opposing combatants are visibly shooting at each other.

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