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    Why Japanese carmakers are threatening to leave Philippines
    By Rosemarie Francisco, Reuters
    Posted at 08/21/2014 9:14 AM | Updated as of 08/21/2014 9:29 AM

    MANILA - Top Japanese automakers in the Philippines are threatening to shift production to cheaper Southeast Asian countries as the government drags its feet on a plan to rebuild its shrinking car manufacturing industry.

    The potential pullout of production lines by Toyota Motor Corp and Mitsubishi Motors, which have a combined 50,000 vehicle annual capacity in the country, would mean the Philippines could lose more than 1,000 jobs and millions of dollars worth of planned and existing investments.

    Time is running out, industry officials say, because there's less than two years left in the term of President Benigno Aquino, who has been backing the plan.

    "I believe that if this does not get approved this quarter and signed by the president by the end of the year and even in the first quarter next year, then let's forget about it because nothing will happen anymore," said Ferdinand Raquelsantos, head of the motor vehicle parts industry group MVPMAP.

    The original government plan includes tax incentives to help rebuild the country's tiny auto industry and turn it into a major manufacturing hub.

    But two years of government and industry debates, revisions and disagreements over how best to grow the auto sector have carmakers saying they may move to cheaper countries like Malaysia and Indonesia.

    The reforms have also been delayed because Manila wants the industry to ramp up production first to produce 40,000 units of a single car model annually before they can use the incentives. Industry insiders say only Toyota could meet that requirement with no incentives.

    The carmakers had hoped to capitalise on the government roadmap to boost local production after car sales hit record highs for several months this year on robust consumer spending, and vehicle ownership remains the lowest among Southeast Asia's five biggest economies at just around 35 per 1,000 people.

    "We have been telling the government, please issue the roadmap so there will be a clear policy direction and basis for Toyota's investments in the Philippines," Rommel Gutierrez, spokesman of Toyota Philippines, told Reuters. Gutierrez also serves as president of the auto industry group CAMPI.

    "The mother company in Japan has many options, Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia...As early as now, it is already scouting (for locations)," Gutierrez said, adding it's debating whether to continue production of Vios compact and Innova in the Philippines in the absence of clear policy direction.

    The Philippine unit of Mitsubishi Motors, which has been planning to more than triple its existing capacity after purchasing a former Ford Motors plant earlier this year, hasn't decided on starting local production of new models.

    "Without the EO (executive order), I am not so sure if we will launch a new car or not," Hikosaburo Shibata, president and chief executive of Mitsubishi Philippines, told Reuters.

    RUNNING OUT OF TIME

    Government officials declined to comment on a target date for the roadmap, but automakers say based on discussions with the government the plan will likely be released this year.

    "We have to balance. It's always a cost-benefit trade-off," said Trade Secretary Gregory Domingo, adding the government is continuing consultations with industry and state agencies.

    Carmakers are hoping the plan will include adequate fiscal and non-fiscal incentives such as tax credits and common testing facilities for auto parts makers to ease manufacturing disadvantages. It costs around $1,800 to $2,000 more to produce a locally assembled car than it is to import a complete vehicle, according to industry estimates.

    The Philippines ceased being a car exporter after Ford closed local production in 2012 partly due to increasing imports of pre-owned cars, most of them smuggled, and tariff relaxation after trade deals.
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    It's cheaper to import because of treaty bound lower tariffs than manufacture here because of wishy washy tariff rules and other red tape...

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    is it true that new zealand does not manufacture a single automobile? how is its economy?
    of course, NZ has more cows than humans..

    what are the pros and cons of a car manufacturing ability in our country, vis a vis full importation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dr. d View Post
    is it true that new zealand does not manufacture a single automobile? how is its economy?
    of course, NZ has more cows than humans..

    what are the pros and cons of a car manufacturing ability in our country, vis a vis full importation?
    a country's ability to manufacture cars doesn't necessarily equate to prosperity. There are various goods and services to attain prosperity.

    car manufacturing, however, requires a mature industrial base and cheap enough resources such as electricity, gas, etc. Workers must be skilled and experienced.

    obviously, manufacturing cars in the Philippines is an expensive endeavor. We have relatively expensive(and mutinous) labor that have to be replaced often. We have expensive electricity and ****-load of red tape.

    contrary to what most people believe, it is actually a good thing that manufacturers are leaving because they don't have to sell their products at a steeper price. What is bad, however, is that the government keeps on repeating the same mistakes believing it will solve the problem when it's actually making it worse...
    Damn, son! Where'd you find this?

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    I hope maayos din ng goverment yan
    kung no, Millions of people will lose their job and the Philippines economy
    will go down

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    Quote Originally Posted by dr. d View Post
    is it true that new zealand does not manufacture a single automobile? how is its economy?
    of course, NZ has more cows than humans..

    what are the pros and cons of a car manufacturing ability in our country, vis a vis full importation?
    True. All manufacturing is across the ditch, AUS. Import cars from Japan, Singapore etc. abound and are cheap compared to PHL prices, since the only duty levied is GST.

    Btt, difficulty in doing business in the PHL is one reason why we have been overtaken by our ASEAN neighbors. We missed the Japan boat before to Thailand and Indonesia and more manufacturers are eyeing our neighbors' shores for operations. It is a policy issue government has to address asap.

    Full importation would not be feasible, as this would hike up car prices as the PHL has heaps of taxes left and right.

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    I agree. Cost-wise, car manufacturing is not a viable industry here. Pasukan lang yan ng unyon, tapos ang negosyo. Look at what happened to Kimberly Clark, Firestone and Temic Telefunken and Colgate, to name a few.

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    Quote Originally Posted by machinepistol View Post
    I agree. Cost-wise, car manufacturing is not a viable industry here. Pasukan lang yan ng unyon, tapos ang negosyo. Look at what happened to Kimberly Clark, Firestone and Temic Telefunken and Colgate, to name a few.
    would-be strikers should talk first to the ex-employees of these companies that closed down because of labor problems. they may find out that they were actually being treated much better than what the law allows..
    ang daming nag-sisisi dahil naniwala sila sa mga strike-inciters na hindi naman pala empleyado ng kumpanya...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dr. d View Post
    would-be strikers should talk first to the ex-employees of these companies that closed down because of labor problems. they may find out that they were actually being treated much better than what the law allows..
    ang daming nag-sisisi dahil naniwala sila sa mga strike-inciters na hindi naman pala empleyado ng kumpanya...
    Which also led to contractualization.

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    Quote Originally Posted by falken View Post
    Which also led to contractualization.

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    Ang lakas kasi ng left-leaning forces. Ito naman mga sulsul na kelangan may union, kelangan welga sa konting suliranin lamang. Lugi negosyo sa dami ng welgista. Unions here are tributaries of the left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by funkeemunkee View Post
    Ang lakas kasi ng left-leaning forces. Ito naman mga sulsul na kelangan may union, kelangan welga sa konting suliranin lamang. Lugi negosyo sa dami ng welgista. Unions here are tributaries of the left.
    So many workers with comprehensive health care, educational benefits, free groceries and even housing benefits... for blue collar jobs... left jobless after the KMU had their way down south.

    The goal, really, was not workers' rights per se. It was to make sure the "foreigners" didn't have their way in the Philippines.

    Ang pagbalik ng comeback...

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    Pwede maging friendly ang pinas sa car manufacturing sector pero dapat bawat car manufacturer gagawa ng isa economy car na yearly production. (ex. L300) Ibalik ang ek civic at big body corolla.

    Sa civic ek wala ako gaano gastos. The usual oil change and every 8 to 10 years palit timing belt, water pump..etc Sa big body corolla friend ko same din daw matibay.

    Pero kailangan baguhin ang body ng ek at E100 dahil kalawang body. Ang ayaw ko lang sa ek eh lagi magleak power steering fluid.

    Pero pag icompare mo sa mga bagong kotse ngayon grabe presyo pag nasira eps. (electronic power steering)

    Pag dating sa kotse kuripot talaga ako. I just want a car na tibay engine, malamig aircon, radio fm / am. Hindi ako racer boy, feeling schumy market na madami modification. Ang gusto ko sa kotse mapaabot ko 1,000,000 miles na hindi pa overhaul. Gusto ko parang irv gordon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chookchakchenes View Post
    Pwede maging friendly ang pinas sa car manufacturing sector pero dapat bawat car manufacturer gagawa ng isa economy car na yearly production. (ex. L300) Ibalik ang ek civic at big body corolla.

    Sa civic ek wala ako gaano gastos. The usual oil change and every 8 to 10 years palit timing belt, water pump..etc Sa big body corolla friend ko same din daw matibay.

    Pero kailangan baguhin ang body ng ek at E100 dahil kalawang body. Ang ayaw ko lang sa ek eh lagi magleak power steering fluid.

    Pero pag icompare mo sa mga bagong kotse ngayon grabe presyo pag nasira eps. (electronic power steering)

    Pag dating sa kotse kuripot talaga ako. I just want a car na tibay engine, malamig aircon, radio fm / am. Hindi ako racer boy, feeling schumy market na madami modification. Ang gusto ko sa kotse mapaabot ko 1,000,000 miles na hindi pa overhaul. Gusto ko parang irv gordon.
    use only honda power steering fluid para hindi masira ang oem seals ng ps pump....pag gumamit ka ng ibang brand 100% mag lleak yan.

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    threatening to leave the country? well what's been stopping them from leaving after all the times they've been slapped with bureaucratic demands

    chery, jac motors, lifan, dongfeng ...

    ^those guys are expanding globally

    anyways, we will always have sarao











    to blame something on

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    Car manufacturing has knock-on benefits, if the government can lower attendant costs. There's employment and business opportunities for suppliers, for service providers who cater to the employees of manufacturers and suppliers, and etcetera.

    And it can be profitable enough to make it worth the while of the manufacturers, if enough units are produced.

    New Zealand is screwed because they're a tiny market that's too far away from anyone to act as a manufacturing hub.

    The Philippines is a big potential market in the middle of the fastest growing economic powers of the century. To not have any car manufacturing capacity locally would be a crime.

    The big problem with the proposed stimulus package is the ludicrous 40,000 unit requirement. What the **** were they smoking when they came up with that number? Who the **** expects any manufacturer to sell 40,000 of a single model in a year when the entire market is less than 250,000 units?

    They have to invest in the eggs first before expecting chickens. I say, give full benefits to any car that's locall produced... even if the production run is one unit. Hell... every completed unit should retroactively qualify the manufacturer to a 100% discount on taxes for imported raw materials and components.
    Last edited by niky; August 21st, 2014 at 08:46 PM.

    Ang pagbalik ng comeback...

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    Quote Originally Posted by niky View Post

    The big problem with the proposed stimulus package is the ludicrous 40,000 unit requirement. What the **** were they smoking when they came up with that number? Who the **** expects any manufacturer to sell 40,000 of a single model in a year when the entire market is less than 250,000 units?
    That's what got me scratching my head. Shows you how idiots in our government work. Just come up with a number without any comprehensive study.

    "Gawin nating 40,000 units puwede na yan."

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    I just read in the newspaper that Toyota is expanding its manufacturing here.


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    Toyota to upgrade Innova

    MANILA, Philippines – Toyota Motor Philippines (TMP) Corporation is investing more than P2 billion ($45.6 million*) for the full model change of the Innova, the company's most successful multipurpose vehicle assembled in its Sta. Rosa, Laguna plant.

    The investment will go to increased localization of automotive parts for the Innova, said TMP president Michinobu Sugata during an interview on the sidelines of the celebration of the company's 26th anniversary.

    According to Sugata, the Innova is up for an upgrade because its model life has exceeded more than 10 years. A model usually has a life of 5 to 7 years.

    More than P1 billion ($22.8 million*) of the investment will be spent for the production in the country of pressed parts, which TMP currently imports from Thailand.

    "Preparations for the investments already started. We will modify the existing Innova and we will secure more parts from the Philippines. It's quite a big investment," Sugata said.

    The investment is being made by TMP amid the government's failure to release the automotive roadmap that sets the direction for the industry.

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    ung mga factory nagsasara dahil hindi kumikita.

    ung mga skilled workers nag abroad dahil wala ng opportunity to earn localy.

    win-win ang gov sa solution na ito.

    1. dahil nag close ang factory no need for a new power plant.
    2. dahil import ang goods, madali magpalusot sa customs, kumikitang kabuhayan, less tax to pay ang mga importers.
    3. ung pa medical ng mga workers since asa abroad, hindi mababawas sa pondo ng philhealth, magagamit ung extra funds para sa squaters para sa next election.
    4. ang taas ng peso vs dollar, kaya ipagyayabang ng gov. na umuunlad ang economy.

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    If they are just spending P2B then basically they're not really expanding but just retooling for a new model to be introduced.

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