Suffrage plus democracy equals POVERTY!

**artpogi** · March 9th, 2007 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by uls

Know what the masses lack? EDUCATION. i dont mean going thru all those years of school just to get a diploma. i mean being educated about the way of things.

Like being able to understand the world around u... ung hindi ka mang mang... di ka maloloko... di ka magugulangan...

[SIZE="6"]Sadly, the masses are ignorant and gullible[/SIZE]. It's easy to figure them out. it's easy to make them do what u want.

the media, advertisers, product/service marketers, politicians know that all too well.

If only the masses are able to discern trickery from truth, discern opportunists from people who sincerely want to serve... mas gaganda ang situation dito sa Pinas. People who dont deserve to get elected wont be elected.

Diba wala maloloko kung wala magpapaloko?

this is very true!

**oldblue** · March 10th, 2007 05:27 PM

kaya dapat seryosohin ang pag-aaral para hinde maloko.

politicians/businessman/p.r. practitioners/media love the present setup of the Philippines. the IGNORANT MASSES = BIG BUSINESS

**GasJunkie** · March 10th, 2007 08:55 PM

Aren't we part of the masses???

*shrugs*

**redorange** · March 11th, 2007 02:58 AM

Not all cultures have the ability to function under a democracy, and the west mainly the US needs to understand this fact. This is the main reason why the US is now stuck in Iraq attemting to convert it into a democracy. The Philippines was the Iraq of the US in the early 1900's(Philippine-American war) after it was liberated from Spain. Now more than 100 years later it still hasn't learned how to function as a true democracy.

Is it the fault of the Spanish, the government, the church, the elite, the masses? Everyone is at fault. The masses because the government is a reflection of the people it governs, the corruption of the rank and file government employees is a direct reflection of the masses. The church because a true democracy has separation of church and state which the church has not allowed since it landed in the Philippines. The Philippines is an example of why it took the US until 1960 to elect a Catholic President, there was fear that the church would influence government decisions. The church was not created to govern and it should stop being the largest lobbyist in the government. The Spanish because they introduced the "padrino" system to the culture which in turn the elite has used to manipulate the government and the masses. The Philippines now isn't a true democracy but a modified or hybrid form of a democracy and oligarchy. People vote but the power is only in the hands of a elite few. The one other factor that gets blame also is the US. They attempted to create another country in its image without considering the ability of that culture to function as a democracy. The US needs to stop influencing how other countries govern themselves, it needs to realize that it is unique in that it is able to function as a democracy even with the race, culture, etc. differences of it's people. Now that the blame has been passed how do you solve the problem?

Change the type of government as some have proposed? It could work but you'd still have the same people run for office. How about the suggestion of Altis6453? It's a start and I would add auditing all government department managers up to the President and if they aren't able to account for their wealth they get the death penalty. When that's done move down to the rank and file employees. Also add anyone caught bribing a government employee gets the death penalty regardless of the amount. Hopefully that should put a dent in the graft and corruption.

Just my .02

**ogpro** · March 11th, 2007 03:26 AM

Bottom line, Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

In this supposed democracy that we have, the absolute power was given, and remains, in the hands of the sitting politicians who can manipulate the democracy in their favor. They are addicted to the power and will not relinquish without a fight. GMA is a prime example.

What are your choices? Without a personal commitment from EACH citizen, nothing will happen. NOTHING. Everybody else who are not in power are too busy trying to feed their families to care about changing the status quo.

What now?

**GasJunkie** · March 11th, 2007 08:11 AM

^^^^^^^^^

all of this

:fly:

**oliver1013** · March 11th, 2007 12:01 PM

Our society is no different with pre french revolution France. Where Landlords rule most of the rural areas with the majority of peasants working hard under their control.

**artpogi** · March 11th, 2007 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by GasJunkie

Aren't we part of the masses???

*shrugs*

yes we are but we are not part of the ignorant and gullible, at least I know I'm not.

Unfortunately, it's the ignorant and gullible who are the majority of the voting population.

**metatron** · March 11th, 2007 12:58 PM

the politicians have to keep the masses poor and dumb.

para di makialam sa pamamalakad ng gobyerno.
para may constituency silang mababaw ang kaligayahan.
para may boboto sa kanila sa eleksyon kahit wala silang alam sa governance -ang importante magaling silang sumayaw at kumanta.

kung lahat ng tao nag-iisip, walang papayag na maging sunudsunuran sa tanga.

dapat democracy plus vile politicians equals poverty

**uls** · March 11th, 2007 04:14 PM

Yes, the powers-that-be are happy with the status quo.

as long as the masses are mang-mang, easy to please, and easy to manipulate, the powers-that-be will remain in power.