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    With the recent call for a "new government" by some of the leaders of the Catholic Church, what's your take?
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    From the Philippine Daily Inquirer website

    Strongest condemnation yet by bishops

    Lagdameo: Arroyo corrupt, people are hungry
    By Dona Pazzibugan
    Philippine Daily Inquirer
    First Posted 05:43am (Mla time) 10/29/2008

    MANILA, Philippines—The president of the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines (CBCP) has disputed the Arroyo administration’s claim of economic progress and condemned corruption in government.

    “Twenty million hungry Filipinos will disagree with the proclaimed “ramdam ang kaunlaran (progress is felt)” with their own experience: “Ramdam ang kahirapan, ramdam ang gutom (Poverty is felt, hunger is felt),” Jaro Archbishop Angel Lagdameo said Tuesday.

    “The benefits of the much-proclaimed economic growth are not felt by the masses,” the CBCP president said in a statement which he issued jointly with three other bishops and vocal administration critic, Lingayen-Dagupan Archbishop Oscar Cruz.

    Asked by reporters later if he thought that President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo was corrupt, Lagdameo unhesitatingly said “yes.”

    Asked if the President deserved to be removed from power, he said “the answer should come from the people who see what’s happening in our country.”

    Lagdameo told a press conference that the statement, which called for “immediate reforms,” was the product of “communal discernment” with Cruz, Masbate Bishop Joel Baylon, Banga-Bataan Bishop Socrates Villegas and Legazpi Bishop Emeritus Jose Sorra.

    Social and moral cancer

    “In the past few years up to today, we have watched how corruption has become endemic, massive, systemic and rampant in our politics. Corruption is a social and moral cancer,” said Lagdameo, who clarified that he was making the statement as the archbishop of Jaro and not as the CBCP president.

    “In response to the global economic crisis and the pitiful state of our country, the time to rebuild our country economically, socially, politically is now,” Lagdameo said.

    New government

    “The time to start radical reforms is now. The time for moral regeneration is now. The time to conquer complacency, cynicism and apathy and to prove that we have matured from our political disappointments is now.

    “The time to prepare a new government is now,” he said.

    Villegas stressed that they were not calling for another mass revolt.

    “We are making this statement because we believe that if we had been less corrupt we would be better prepared to face the impending global crisis. The problem of the Philippines is not population, the problem is corruption,” Villegas said.

    Soul troublemakers

    “We are not social troublemakers, we are soul troublemakers. We want to disturb consciences… then the change that we want in government and society will really come from within us,” he said.

    Cruz said it was the “strongest statement” that Lagdameo had made so far during his incumbency, “the most straight language written, as straight as it could be.”

    The CBCP has been divided over directly challenging Ms Arroyo over allegations of corruption.

    In February at the height of the scandal over the aborted $329-million National Broadband Network deal with China’s ZTE Corp., the CBCP called a special plenary meeting but did not ask for the President’s resignation.

    The CBCP instead “strongly condemned the culture of corruption from the top to the bottom of our social and political order.”

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    4 bishops do not make the CBCP. More or less the current hierachy doesn't have the same influence as the late Cardinal Sin. The population is more concerned with daily survival than being pawns to the politicians and the clergy. Can these bishops play politics in 2010 na lang?

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    Namumulitika lang yang mga iyan. Mga homily nila tungkol sa gobyerno di na based sa gospel. Gusto nila na sila ang mamuno sa Pilipinas.

    Kaya walang asenso dito, lahat gusto sila ang maghari. "Clashing of egos" lang ang nakikita natin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monseratto View Post
    4 bishops do not make the CBCP. More or less the current hierachy doesn't have the same influence as the late Cardinal Sin. The population is more concerned with daily survival than being pawns to the politicians and the clergy. Can these bishops play politics in 2010 na lang?
    Thanks for the clarification! Edited my question on my first post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by city_hunter View Post
    Namumulitika lang yang mga iyan. Mga homily nila tungkol sa gobyerno di na based sa gospel. Gusto nila na sila ang mamuno sa Pilipinas.

    Kaya walang asenso dito, lahat gusto sila ang maghari. "Clashing of egos" lang ang nakikita natin.
    well for starters, that's the main reason why church and state should remain separated

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    Ok yan ginawa nila.

    At least there are brave people willing to risk their necks denouncing these people in the government including PGMA for letting her people rob our country dry.......

    Anyway, it is still the Pinoys who will decide if its time for this government to go....

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    Quote Originally Posted by True Faith View Post

    Anyway, it is still the Pinoys who will decide if its time for this government to go....

    Preferably this happens in a constitutional manner in 2010... hope they can pick someone who can unite the country, not some ex-convict populist actor with a vengeful agenda. And hope we will have a mature and responsible electorate. Vote for change!

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    Quote Originally Posted by True Faith View Post
    Ok yan ginawa nila.

    At least there are brave people willing to risk their necks denouncing these people in the government including PGMA for letting her people rob our country dry.......
    Maybe more brave people should also denounce the Church hierarchy for its less-than-decisive handling of certain issues, such as ***ual abuse by members of the clergy, since those are not any less relevant than issues of corruption and plunder.
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    In my honest opinion with politics here, clergy should focus their time to their congregation with a more decisive and mature way of choosing their leaders; rather than going public with their opinions on government.

    Remember that during the Spanish times, our country has a so-called government under the Spanish Crown, but really, the clergy at that time were the real rulers. With that brought abuse to power. We are all reminded of what happened for more than 300 years of Spanish occupation though the lessons taught everyday during History classes in both Elementary and High Schools in the Philippines.
    Last edited by russpogi; October 30th, 2008 at 03:52 AM.

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