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    gusto ko marinig si luli na magsasabi na sinungaling si lozada gaya ng pagsabi nya na sinungaling si Joey De Venecia...kung sinabing nya na nagda-drugs si Joey...ano naman kaya ang masasabi nya kay Lozada? malamang nagsa-shabu

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syuryuken View Post
    isa din yang si Razon ipinagpipilitan pang humingi ng escort si Lozada samantalang si Lozada na mismo ang nagsabing hindi siya humingi ng escort kahit kanino
    meron pa isa

    from: abs-cbn news

    There was no abduction, say Palace allies

    Key allies of President Arroyo denied Thursday allegations that police abducted potential witness Rodolfo Jun Lozada Jr. at the country's main international airport to stop him from testifying in an investigation on the $329-million national broadband network deal between government and China's ZTE Corp.

    Environment Secretary Lito Atienza said he asked national police chief Avelino Razon to provide security for Lozada after the latter called him from Hong Kong and expressed apprehension about the pending arrest warrant issued by the Senate for his arrest. Atienza also denied sending his own men to secure Lozada.

    "I told him to hide for a while and prepare his defense. I also called General Razon and asked him to provide security for Lozada when he arrives," he said in a press conference in Malacañang.

    Razon said he waited for a formal request for protection before instructing police officers to secure Lozada upon his arrival at the Ninoy Aquino International Airport on Tuesday. He added that he received two requests for Lozada's protection -- one from Lozada's sister and another from Lozada himself. He said Lozada gave the handwritten request for police protection upon his arrival.

    "There was no abduction. He was escorted out of the airport by police officers," he said.

    He added that the team led by a certain Senior Supt. Paul Mascarinas escorted Lozada to La Salle Green Hills.

    Lozada on Thursday said he was supposed to meet his family upon his arrival from Hong Kong Tuesday afternoon when he was "fetched" by some people and was driven around Laguna province and Metro Manila.

    "I was taken from the tube. I was not prepared for that. I did not know who took me. I texted my brother that someone already took me from the tube. I had to go with them. It was a miscommunication. They drove me around. Towards the end of the night, they felt that there was so much noise that they had to bring me back to my family," he said in a hastily called press conference in La Salle Greenhills.

    Lozada revealed that he was forced into signing some documents while in the custody of the police.

    He earlier substantiated allegations regarding the roles of First Gentleman Jose Miguel "Mike" Arroyo and former elections chief Benjamin Abalos Sr. in the scrapped NBN project of the government.

    Lozada said he first heard Mr. Arroyo’s name when Abalos insisted that the project be funded by a loan. He said Abalos later invited him and businessman Joey de Venecia for a dinner with the presidential spouse at a restaurant at the Makati Shangri-La hotel in Makati City.

    He said Commission on Higher Education chairman Romulo Neri, then National Economic Development Authority head, tasked him to study a proposal for the project between the groups led by de Venecia and Abalos.

    "I proposed a structure for the two proponents where both of them can achieve both of their objectives since Joey suggested we do a BOT with government, which was completely aboveboard," said Lozada.

    "And Chairman Abalos's objective was do a loan basis, so the project structure that I proposed was Joey's project becomes the lead contacting party to government because it's on a BOT basis anyway, and Abalos achieved his objective of supplying to Joey's project," he added.

    Lozada, who has been missing since Tuesday afternoon, said Abalos wanted the project to push through with loans.

    When he refused to agree to Abalos's wishes, Lozada said that the former elections chairman said that they should just forget about the project altogether.

    Lozada said that at the time the NBN deal was being planned, the price tag was $262 million and Abalos wanted $130 million in kickbacks. The project eventually ballooned to $329 million.

    "The trouble started when Chairman Abalos wanted to protect his $130 million commission on the project," said Lozada.

    Lozada said Abalos threatened to have him killed when things did not turn out as expected, specifically, with his wish to fund the NBN project with a loan from China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syuryuken View Post
    isa din yang si Razon ipinagpipilitan pang humingi ng escort si Lozada samantalang si Lozada na mismo ang nagsabing hindi siya humingi ng escort kahit kanino
    nyahahaha! pano kaya lulusutan to ni mamang pulis!

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    mga kawatan!!!

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    Sabi ni Bunye, yung ginagawa raw ng Senate ngayon, is not in aid of legislation kundi, in aid of grandstanding.


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    ansarap sungalngalin mga sinungaling na to

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    from: gma news


    Transcript of Lozada’s exposé: ‘Halika tawagan natin si FG’
    02/07/2008 | 01:12 PM
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    I’d like to start by thanking a lot of people who expressed their sincere sympathy for the family. I’d like to thank them first, so many of them. And in Tagalog, nagpapasalamt po ako sa lahat ng nagpahayag ng pag-aalala sa akin at sa sampu ng aking pamilya.

    Ako po’y nagtawag sa pagpupulong na ito upang mabigayn ng liwanag. Madami kasing mga katanungan ang bayan ukol sa proyekto ng NBN-ZTE na ito. At upang huwag na sanang mapilitan pa yung iba, marami nang mabubuting taong napilitan pang magsinungaling dahil sa akin. Hindi naman sila kasama rito, napipilitan pa silang magsinungaling. Ayokong maging dahilan na magkasala sa Diyos at sa bayan kahit sinoman. Ayoko ho iyon.

    Mabigat po sa aking damdamin ito at isipan, ang aking gagawin. Ngunit kailangan kong gawin ito para sa kaunawaan, para maliwanag na ang isipan ng bayan, tungkol sa mga bayan na ito na lubhang makaka-apekto doon sa kinabukasan nila.

    Ang aking ilalahad na mga salaysay ngayon tungkol sa ZTE-NBN ay yung mga bagay na ako’y may personal na ginampanan, the things that I’m involved with. And I’m going to say this with malice to no one.

    Wala ho akong malisya kahit kanino man. Ang sasabihin ko ay kung ano lang ginawa namin, at kung ano ang nangyari.

    Introduced to Abalos

    To my recollection of events, I’ll start off the first time I was introduced to this project by Secretary Neri, monitored action to Chairman Ben Abalos. I guess if it was not late September, early October I was introduced by Secretary Neri to Chairman Ben Abalos in Wack-Wack together with his entourage sina Ruben Reyes…and the ZTE president Yu Yong and Fan Yang. We had lunch in Wack-Wack wherein we talked about the NBN-ZTE.

    I remember that the Secretary told Chairman Abalos to course his project proposal to the proper channel. NEDA received the first copy sometime in October…prepared by…All questions were referred back to Asec Formoso.

    When the Secretary gave me a copy for me to review, the first three that really caught my attention, when I was reviewing the financial cost, the financial projection were based on… September 20, 2006 issue wherein they were quoting how much government was spending for telecom expenses…

    …So, I told the Abalos group, through their guy Leo San Miguel, that they should revise their proposal. They should fix it and try to avoid the education part of it, because there’s already a cyber-education project.

    Abalos wanted $130 million

    Sometime in November, that was the time that I also met Joey de Venecia, to see the presentation on a similar project but on a BOT basis. And at that time, the Secretary asked me if the project was appropriate for NBN.

    Until we presented the project proposal for the NBN, And the Secretary asked If I think it was appropriate and I said yes, so he encouraged Joey to push through the project development further.

    And when the Secretary asked me if there was a synergy between the two projects I said, yes. But both of them were pitching for the same project. The Secretary told me to reconcile the two proponents. And at that point, it was really a good project.

    At that point, when the Secretary told me to reconcile the two proponents, I immediately went to work and proposed one tool for the two proponents wherein both of them can achieve both of their objectives. Joey’s objective was to do a BOT with government, which was completely above board, and then Chairman Abalos’s objective was to do a loan, a project on a loan basis.

    So the project structure that I proposed was that Joey becomes the lead contracting party to the government, it’s on a BOT basis anyway. And that Abalos, to achieve his objective of supplying, becomes supplier to Joey’s project.

    I thought at that point it was already a win-win situation for everyone involved. The government gets its NBN project, Joey gets his BOT project, and then Abalos gets his supply comes up.

    So, at one point I got them already to do their own thing. It’s finished. But I guess the trouble started when Chairman Abalos wanted to protect his $130-million… how shall I put this…commission on the project. So dapat daw proteksyonan ‘yong $130 million, and we agree that Joey become the main proponent.

    'Bubukol po ito'

    At that point, I just felt that…it might be a little too big, in the vernacular sabi ko bubukol po ito, sabi ko siguro kalahati pupuwede. But nonetheless I relayed the information to Joey, because it’s going to be Joey because it’s going to be Joey’s project anyway.

    And Joey’s reaction was really like ballistic, parang he was worried, saan n’ya kukunin itong $130 million na ‘to, because the project cost is $262 million, and Abalos wanted $130 million na komisyon. So sabi ko sa kanila, hindi ko problema ‘yan, that’s your problem.

    So at that point, I don’t know if the listener can realize how much money all of these are na pinag-uusapan…$130 million…At that point, I was telling them na problema n’yo na ito basta you make sure you’ll get this thing together because we don’t want another Atong Ang or Chavit Singson scandal to rock this country. I also made it very clear...na basta maayos lang.

    Advances to Abalos

    Sometime in December, the ZTE rep, si Yu Yong at saka si Fan Yang, who get quite close to me, along the progress of the work, were already getting frantic and talking to me about developments in the project, because they’d already gave enough advances daw to Chairman Abalos. So, sabi ko sa kanila, the project is moving along, they should not be alarmed.

    So, it was also at this point because of Joey’s hesitance to agree on the $130-million commission, that Chairman Abalos started considering doing the project on his own, derecho na siya.

    Ang sabi ko ho sa kanya na hindi ho puwedeng de-deretcho kayo, kasi ang kabilin-bilinan ni Secretray Neri, na yun din ata ang utos ng Presidente, na this project can only be done through a BOT basis, hindi puwedeng utang.

    Let’s call FG

    So I was standing firm on that, na hindi talaga pupuwede. At that point, that was the time that Chairman Abalos said, halika, tawagan natin si FG. So, sabi niya, nung tinawagan niya, pare nandito yung taga NEDA sa tabi ko, hindi raw puwedeng i-utang yung project ko.

    I cannot hear the voice from the other end, pero sabi n’ya, kung ganyan kayong kausap, and the Chairman continues, kung ganyan kayong kausap, ang hirap n’yo palang kausap, kalimutan n’yo na lang ang usapan natin.

    I don’t know what that meant. But the following day, totoo nga, a letter from the Chinese ambassador came addressed to the government, and… with Mike, stating that this is already December.

    'Moderate their greed'

    You can check this with the records. I’m just doing this through my own recollection. But if you can check sometime December, a letter addressed to Mike yata, came in from the Chinese ambassador saying that there is now money available for a loan, for the NBN project, independent of the cyber-education project.

    Kasi yung cyber-education yun ang napag-agree-han na ilo-loan na. Ngayon there’s another loan na naman na puwede na rin yung NBN i-loan, it was sometime early December.

    So, I told the Secretary about it, Secretary Neri. And his instruction to me was very clear, sabi nya, Jun, you moderate their greed. I was naive to accept that order. I do not know what moderating greed means, but I followed Secretary Neri.

    'Pare, okay na kami sa NEDA'

    And due to the insistence naman nitong mga taga ZTE that the project gets going, Chairman Abalos invited us sometime on the third week of December, I’m pretty sure of the timing, over dinner in Makati Shang-rila. He asked to invite Joey as well, kasi si FG will be there with us.

    Actually the First Gentlemen did not say much, except that Chairman Abalos told him na pare okay na kami nina Joey, ok na kami sa NEDA. (and the FG answered) Ah, ganon, mabuti naman, okay na , okay na.

    So, I’m just narrating to you with no malice intended. Whatever that means, kayo na po ang bahalang umano.

    And on their trip to China, I did not join them anymore, and I guess Joey can speak omn what happened in China.

    Like the North Rail

    Sometime in early January naman, Secretray Neri again invited us for lunch with Abalos in Edsa, in Makati-Shangrila in a Chinese restaurant together with Yu Yong and Fan Yang, the ZTE, and the Chinese commercial councilor. At that point, the Chairman again was making the impression that the project is already a go. May be there was parallel trust…because…(but) it was not yet a go.

    So there was some negative reaction from the ZTE person, and the Secretary noticed some awkward moments there, and then he immediately ask a leave, and said that he had to go, and asked me to stay behind.

    Chairman Abalos and the ZTE guy were in curious exchange of words, because the ZTE people were like demanding from Chairman Abalos that he promised that the ZTE deal will be done on a loan project under the North Rail. I don’t know why they speak about the North Rail. I don’t know why they speak about the North Rail. They keep on mentioning ala North Rail terms loan agreement.
    Last edited by explorer; February 7th, 2008 at 01:59 PM.

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    continuation ofr gma news....

    'Alam mo bang…?'

    So, that was last meeting I had with the Chairman. And on January 18, I remember the date very well. This is the only date that I can remember because this was the date I said bye to the project.

    I was then in Dumaguete in Negros, together with Henry Teves, when Chairman Abalos called me up, to some like early evening, and asked me questions like, “Alam ba ni Neri yung ginagawa mo, (I said) Opo. Alam ba ni Neri yung ginawa mo. Opo. Alam mo bang malapit ako sa military. Opo. Alam mong malapit ako sa intelligence. Opo. Alam mo namang malapit ako…And then he started cursing. Mura siya nang mura in Tagalog, lahat-lahat. At ang sabi niya, nandito sa akin yung CD lahat ng phone conversations ninyo nina Joey, mga hayop kayo, tina-traydor n’yo ko.

    I don’t know what gave him that impression..but the fact, that they said I know the week 17 in ISAPF can do that, which Chairman Abalos and Ruben Reyes are …close to, I was not surprised.

    So, I just took with a grain, and then Chairman Abalos ended up…his words with, “Huwag kang magpapakita sa aking hayop ka sa Wack –Wack o sa Mandaluyong at ipapapatay kita."

    From $262M to $329M

    That’s when all my troubles started. So, I quit the project. I told the Secretary that I don;lt think this project is worth risking my life for. All I did was trying to help the Secretary understand it.

    So on February 2007, the executive order was issued. So this is now my personal participation ended and where it ended for the project concept.

    In February 2007, an EO was issued by the Office of the President, transferring the telos, the implementing agency to DOTC. And on April, the project… the NBN was approved…at $329 million.

    When I quit the project, the project cost was $262 million. So it was approved. I don’t know what happened then. I’m not imputing anything now. But when it was approved, it was already approved at $329 million. And the day after it was approved, the President together with PagCor officials, went to China to witness the signing of the agreement.

    This project for me is one transactional example of a dysfunctional government procurement, a systemic dysfunction on how we procure projects. There are other more that have escaped scrutiny, but ganun din ang sistema. And I have agonized over this decision...

    Ang dasal ko lang sana maintindihan n’yo yung dusang dinananas ng pamilya ko ngayon. Ang dasal ko lang sana matutunan na natin after nito na ang salitang Pilpino ay hindi lang tumutkoy sa isang pamilya. Ang salitang Pilipino ay tumutukoy sa isang bansa, ang bansang Pilipino. And sometimes, it’s worth taking a risk for this country.

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    buti may transcript si explorer up^

    this is history! turning point na ito konting udyok pa and movements sa mga various sectors and this could result in a volatile situation---talagang bomba yun pinasabog and it just confirms mga statements ni jdv jr. nun una duda talaga ako sa mga pinagsasabi ni jdv jr pero ngayon this is a good man with nothing to gain and evrything to lose. sucide yun ginawa nya. magkaron lng ng withrawal of support kay gma delikado na sunod sunod na yan.

    hindi ako nakatulog madaling araw kapapakinig sa radyo live pa nun.
    obvious na ang sinungaling dito mga parekoy grabe garapal! tignan nyo yun mga bata ng palasyo ang titigas ng mukha mag sinungaling. they say things with a straight face as if totoo yun mga sinasabi nila eh puro contradictory naman yun mga salita nila sa mga kasama nila wala man lng nagkoreograp sa sasabihin ng mga gunggung pinaikot ikot lng ang publiko. ganun pala itsura nila pag nagsisinungaling grabe!

    maraming magagandang statements na binitawan si lozada maiyak iyak pa sya nun kanina umaga sabi nya yun nga wala syang gain dito kundi talo sya pero dahil sa pagmamahal nya sa konsepto ng "pamilya" --tinutukoy nya dito ay ang extension ng mga pamilya natin kasama ang pamilya ng iba at eventually buong bayan. it is about time gawin ito para ipakita ang kabulukan ng sistema sa gobyerno lalo na yan procurement system na yan---na talaga kng tutuusin ay para narin tayo binenta sa mga dayuhan dahil tayo magbabayad nyan.

    ito yun dati ko pa tinutukoy na tigilan na natin ang pagnanakaw alang alang sa sariling pamilya natin. itrato sana natin na kapamilya sana ang ibang tao ksi if we just care enough about each other uunlad tayong lahat eh.

    sabi pa nya ako ay isa lamang probinsyanong intsik if i remember it correctly hindi daw sya katulad ni jdv jr na kahit ilan taon di magtrabaho ay ok lng at inilagay na nya pamilya nya sa delikadong sitwasyon pero alang alang sa bayan magsasalita na sya dahil hindi na nya masikmura ang nangyari! ang sasabihin lng nya ay abot ng kanyang makakaya at partisipasyon sa scam na ito. nun ikinwento nya yun mabubuo mo ang istorya it is an account of what happened at hindi yun istorya na pinpiont si ganun pinpoint si ganyan---kaya nga nya sinabi na kayo na bahala bumuo ng istorya from his account of the events. yun bang para kang soco or puzzle mabubuo ang istorya pakingan ang lahat ng panig at obvious talaga mga peeps kng sino sinungaling! ang tindi pala nyan ni abalos...
    as you can see up ^ transcript maganda yun pagkakakwento nya ng istorya detalyado with dates talagang maiintindihan mo kahit hindi mo pa alam kng anu yan zte na yan.

    saludo ako sayo pre ang tapang mo grabe!
    para kang si king leonidaz tinaya mo lahat outnumbered na at lahat against the massive army of scumbags by the palace. suicide grabe. buti hindi ka niligpit. sana di ka magbago ng sasabihin. salamat!
    Last edited by boydapa; February 7th, 2008 at 02:41 PM.

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    paano kaya nila nasisikmura ang pangungurakot sa gobyerno.........

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