Sogie bill

[shadow]

What I don't understand is:

1. Was the trans denied the use of the CR altogether or merely prevented from using the ladies' CR? IMHO, denying the trans the use of a CR , not necessarily the ladies' CR is discrimination.

2. Why is there an assumption by the LGBT community that using the men's CR by any trans will result in harrassment or harm? What if a business in QC designated the men's room as the CR for LGBT? Paparusahan pa rin?

3. Why do women who identify as men insist on using the ladies' CR as well?

We were all taught (at least in my generation) that your genitals determine your s3x and that is the basis for the classification of who gets to use the CR. That classification is BASED on science and not preference. Unless the trans has undergone s3x change surgery.

Sorry but I'm with shadow. Masyado pinapalaki ang issue. It's not as if the janitress threw the person out of the premises for being a trans.

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He was told he should be using the male restroom. Kaso nga babae na daw siya kaya dapat sa female restroom siya umihi.


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[chronicle]

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Eto ang iniiwasan na mangyari ni janetress sa farmers.
Mga rougue trans.


Palitan nyo na lang ung asterisk ng word na s3x. Filtered message.
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[Little Missy]

I may sound liberal but my Christian upbringing makes me lean more to the conservative thinking and belief. With gender issues, marriage and abortion. I don't think I'm a feminist. My issue is how the janitress and the security staff handled it. Unnecessary yung mga panlalait at panghahampas niya.

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[ninjababez]

I may sound liberal but my Christian upbringing makes me lean more to the conservative thinking and belief. With gender issues, marriage and abortion. I don't think I'm a feminist. My issue is how the janitress and the security staff handled it. Unnecessary yung mga panlalait at panghahampas niya.

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defense mechanism nila yun LM. they felt slighted DIN when the trans started the live feed. magkamali sila ng paghandle sa paningin natin, pero tulad ng sinabi mo di sila na eduated tungkol doon.
naalala nyo yun nagbasa ng verse si pacquiao sa bible re: kabaklaan. ang sinasagot ko sa mga friends ko na tomboy, na offend kayo? di ba naratangahan nga kayo sa kanya? bakit nyo papatulan ang sinabi ng tao na sa tingin ninyo na mangmang? obviously di alam ni pacquiao sinabi nya or mali pagkakasabi nya. ayun na gets din nila. pero syempre may mag rereact parin ng negative about it. depende sa.tatanggap ng message.

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[Little Missy]

Not an excuse ninj.
Bakit pag issue ng kabaklaan biglang naiintindihan natin ang poor at uneducated.

Ang dds lang kasi ng thinking na tama lang mangyari sa kanya yun kasi ganito ganyan naman siya. Okay lang mapatay ang mga addict at kriminal. Bahala na ang mga vendors sa buhay nila tutal salot sila sa daan. Okay lang nangyari sa trans yun kasi nakakabwisit sila.

Anyway I've shared my piece i'll shut up na. [emoji111]

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[yebo]

My take,

Sans the existence of a separate cr for them, sans a law prescribing which cr to use, BIOLOGY RULES. So dapat she (or he) should have gone to the male cr because she (he) still has that apendage that defines her as "male". Madami reasons e. One is that the females of the species are not yet comfortable to them going inside the female cr. Baka nga naman bi, e di ba half male pa din yun. Ngayon pag nagpa xex change na ok na kasi yun talagang 100% (psychologically speaking) female na talaga ang tingin nya sa sarili (assuming the psychiatrists are correct that when a homoxexual man opts to undergo a xex change he (she) really is in his (her) mind a female.

So in addition to the sogie bill and divorce bill need pa pala ng xex change bill, to define those who have decided to go through the final phase of becoming a member of the opposite (or correct) xex.

[ninjababez]

Not an excuse ninj.
Bakit pag issue ng kabaklaan biglang naiintindihan natin ang poor at uneducated.

Ang dds lang kasi ng thinking na tama lang mangyari sa kanya yun kasi ganito ganyan naman siya. Okay lang mapatay ang mga addict at kriminal. Bahala na ang mga vendors sa buhay nila tutal salot sila sa daan. Okay lang nangyari sa trans yun kasi nakakabwisit sila.

Anyway I've shared my piece i'll shut up na. [emoji111]

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hahaha mukhang na pacquiao din ako, di yun ibig sabihin ng post ko LM
vendors di salot sa lipunan; sidewalk and street vendors ofcourse salot.
bakla, i have so many gay friends who i think love me (nasa BPO ako); i do all the manly stuff for them. i treat them as ladies din, except that i call them bakla (ito direct translation ng gay IMO).

[ray_noel]

Agree... kung anong current gender ng tao, dun sila dapat pupunta na cr... why make things complicated...

I have this feeling pag pinagbigyan ang ganyan, may susunod pa yan...


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[dr. d]

what do i know!

in post #9, over a year ago, the CR question was already raised.

so, does anyone know, if this current person still has the hanging appendage, or pinutol na?

[yebo]

what do i know!

in post #9, over a year ago, the CR question was already raised.

so, does anyone know, if this current person still has the hanging appendage, or pinutol na?

Doc, there points the necessity of a xex change law. A trans who undergoes the operation also has all his/her identification reflect the change. So when asked all she/he needs to do is produce an ID.

[dr. d]

Doc, there points the necessity of a xex change law. A trans who undergoes the operation also has all his/her identification reflect the change. So when asked all she/he needs to do is produce an ID.

now, that proposition is funny. changing the legal kasarian, when every somatic cell in the body can shout the real biologic kasarian, given the proper stimulus.
and potentially troublesome.

many years ago, the senior decided to play a practical joke on the junior.
they asked him to see a patient with a "unique illness".
after a few minutes, the junior comes a'runnin'.
"sir! i have a case report! the patient you asked me to see... she has an illness seen exclusively in men!"
after a good laugh, the seniors explained to junior, that the patient is actually an ex-man.

[istan]

Doc, there points the necessity of a xex change law. A trans who undergoes the operation also has all his/her identification reflect the change. So when asked all she/he needs to do is produce an ID.

Can anyone here change the gender in his ID? Assuming that, to get that ID, one needs to present birth cert.
I doubt.
Looks girl, pero paglabas ng ID, guy.
Now if that ex-lady that complained in the news, namukhaan na ngang lalaki e, despite the "changes". Magaling si Janitress. Dapat talaga pumunta sya sa Male, gumamit ng cubicle. Tapos usapan, bilis pa pila.

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[yebo]

Can anyone here change the gender in his ID? Assuming that, to get that ID, one needs to present birth cert.
I doubt.
Looks girl, pero paglabas ng ID, guy.
Now if that ex-lady that complained in the news, namukhaan na ngang lalaki e, despite the "changes". Magaling si Janitress. Dapat talaga pumunta sya sa Male, gumamit ng cubicle. Tapos usapan, bilis pa pila.

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I think it has been done in other countries where the birth xex is changed after a person undergoes xex change surgery. But they have laws to make it happen.

It's kind of like adoption. The adoption law here in the Philippines is that when a person gets adopted the original birth certificate is expunged from the records and the new birth certificate reflecting the adoptive parents as the true parents are substituted. Kaya nga mahirap mag-trace ng biological parents yung mga na-adopt sa pinas kasi inaalis na sa records yung old b.c. So ganun din ang gagawin pag nagkaron ng xex change law, a new b.c. will be issued, although maybe the old b.c. recording the biological xex may not be erased. Grounds naman kasi yan for annulment later pag di sinabi nung trans na boy pala siya dati dun sa prospective husband niya. So since andun pa din sa records yung old b.c. makikita yung birth xex niya.

[vinrem]

Depende din siguro sa bading on how they act, meron kasing bading na bastos din on how they act in public, meron din kasi na medyo class din, it's how they carry themselves in public place, respectable or not.

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[shadow]

Depende din siguro sa bading on how they act, meron kasing bading na bastos din on how they act in public, meron din kasi na medyo class din, it's how they carry themselves in public place, respectable or not.

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Hinde naman about how they carry themselves in public eh. Kahit na meron class pero uncomfortable pa rin kasama mo mag CR. Ang issue is kung saan ba dapat sila mag restroom? Kung ano sa PWD na lang sila. At least existing na and solo nila.


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[MR_BIG18]

Thats not the only issue...international powerlifing fed...also has problems, men transitioning to girls and breaking world records...unfair sa mga truly women competitors..

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[dr. d]

i wonder...
the olympics...
how's their kasarian-re-assignment policy working so far?

[MR_BIG18]

well... the olympics has rules... i can only imagine what will happen...
but i imagine, their policy is simple.
XX kah! babae ka.
XY ka! lalake kah.
if you don't agree, umuwi kah!

Its not the olympics im talking about..scary thing is...bka umabot sa ganon

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[dr. d]

Its not the olympics im talking about..scary thing is...bka umabot sa ganon

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mr big,
i changed my post. kindly see above. that is pre-2004 policy.
olympics has a kasarian-re-assignment policy, since 2004.
i'm wondering, how it's holding up.
this is one issue, where the olympics insists on actual hormonal therapy.

[MR_BIG18]

mr big,
i changed my post. kindly see above.
i'm thinking about the olympics.
olympics has a kasarian-re-assignment policy, since 2004.
i'm wondering, how it's holding up.

Ok doc...its a fact men will be faster, stronger and have faster response times than women...even if one transitions, yung bones at connective tissues are still stronger, case in point...most of the guys here, give it a few months of training, can out lift hidilyn diaz on some basic lifts..btw...im not that big anymore pala...is there anyway to change my name here?

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