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  1. Join Date
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    Hindi ba taxpayers naman talaga ang nag fufund ng eleksiyon? Saan ba galing pera ng mga pulitiko?

    Taxpayers should fund the country’s political parties instead of rich campaign donors so that politicians would not be beholden to vested interest groups, a senator said on Saturday.

    Sen. Edgardo Angara again called on his colleagues to pass his version of the House bill seeking to strengthen the political party system, saying that its provision on a multimillion-peso state subsidy for national political parties would make elections fairer and more equitable.

    Angara’s Senate Bill No. 3214 proposes, among other things, the creation of a P350-million state subsidy fund which accredited national political parties could use for their poll campaigns and other operations like civic education, research and policy development, recruitment and training for members.

    “On one hand, the fund can be used to professionalize and enhance the operations of political parties. On the other, it empowers them to truly represent the interests of their constituents rather than remain beholden to private contributors,” Angara said in a statement.

    “The underlying principle there is that a country’s politics can be developed and made more equitable if the state supports political organizations with their campaigns and finances,” he said.

    Angara said that by providing funds to political parties as a neutral third party, “the state provides baseline support to political parties and eases their need to turn to moneyed personalities for funding.

    Both the House and Senate versions of the political party reform bill also penalize political turncoats or those who defect from one political party to another by banning them from running in the next election.

    The House of Representatives has passed its version of the bill on third and final reading. The Senate version, on the other hand, has been the subject of a committee report sponsored in the plenary by Angara in August.

    Senate Bill No. 3214 is authored by Angara and Senators Miriam Defensor-Santiago, Franklin Drilon and Jinggoy Estrada.

    Angara, who prides himself on being the longest-serving senator in the post-Edsa years, said government funding for political parties were common features in many countries with mature democracies like Canada, Germany, Australia, France, the United Kingdom and the United States.

    “In 2008, the United States government allotted $16.3 million for its political parties, while the United Kingdom grants £2 million annually,” Angara said.

    Under the Senate version, the subsidy will be shared proportionately among accredited national parties based on three broad criteria: Political representation, organizational strength and mobilization capability, and performance and track record of the party.

    http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/301092/...fund-elections
    Last edited by Bin Diesel; November 7th, 2012 at 11:39 AM.

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    Eh kung tanggalin na lang kaya ang mga ito para makatipid tayo?
    1. Vice Pres - hinihintay mamatay or madethrone si Pres
    2. Senate - palitan ng mga Governors
    3. Congress - napakadami ng batas, we don't need more.. Governors should do the job (legislatively and executively)
    4. Vice Mayor - hinihintay mamatay or madethrone si Mayor
    5. Councilors - ginugulo lang mga batas, gumagawa ng Ordinances na contrary sa National Law.

    Pera naman talaga ng taongbayan nagpapatakbo ng Eleksyon at Pilipinas. Pakigising nga yang Senador na yan, tulog ata sa pansitan.

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    lahat naman ng tulong meron kapalit, ang dapat gawin ni Angara gumawa ng batas na ung mga account ng campaign donors ay tignan ng maigi ng BIR at ng Supreme Court.

    Ano ba ang pakinabang ng mga campaign donors pag nanalo ang pulitiko nila?

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    350M for subsidy ng nationalmpolitical parties? Annually? Or one time? Ilang parties ba tyo now? 7? So 50m each? Across how many elective positions? A few thousand? So magkano per elective position?

    Lalabas kulang... Then next ijustify na taasan... May pork barrel na, may state subsidy pa...

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    tiba-tiba mga dynasty dito. "bunso, sumali ka na sa party at kumandidato tulad namin ng kuya at tatay mo, ilang milyon din yung magiging parte mo dun."

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    Quote Originally Posted by stickers View Post
    Eh kung tanggalin na lang kaya ang mga ito para makatipid tayo?
    1. Vice Pres - hinihintay mamatay or madethrone si Pres
    2. Senate - palitan ng mga Governors
    3. Congress - napakadami ng batas, we don't need more.. Governors should do the job (legislatively and executively)
    4. Vice Mayor - hinihintay mamatay or madethrone si Mayor
    5. Councilors - ginugulo lang mga batas, gumagawa ng Ordinances na contrary sa National Law.

    Pera naman talaga ng taongbayan nagpapatakbo ng Eleksyon at Pilipinas. Pakigising nga yang Senador na yan, tulog ata sa pansitan.
    parang Parliamentary form of government

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    Quote Originally Posted by redvin View Post
    As long as only the tax payers can vote then why not mawawala bayarang botante ng mga politiko (maybe not all but majority of them). No offense meant
    Yan din matagal ko na naisip eh, those who pay taxes should be the only ones allowed to vote. Why? Because its your money the government is using to fund their projects and salaries.

    Quote Originally Posted by dfopiso View Post
    parang Parliamentary form of government
    Maybe its time for a political reform. The Constitution is as old as Great Grand Father - Dead.

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    Hanapbuhay ng ilang tao, ang tumakbo tuwing election para makakuha ng campaign funds from the political party tapos ibubulsa lang.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stickers View Post
    Eh kung tanggalin na lang kaya ang mga ito para makatipid tayo?
    1. Vice Pres - hinihintay mamatay or madethrone si Pres
    2. Senate - palitan ng mga Governors
    3. Congress - napakadami ng batas, we don't need more.. Governors should do the job (legislatively and executively)
    4. Vice Mayor - hinihintay mamatay or madethrone si Mayor
    5. Councilors - ginugulo lang mga batas, gumagawa ng Ordinances na contrary sa National Law.

    Pera naman talaga ng taongbayan nagpapatakbo ng Eleksyon at Pilipinas. Pakigising nga yang Senador na yan, tulog ata sa pansitan.
    for VP, quite critical, what if the President dies or becomes incapacitated to perform his functions.
    Senate and Congress, pwedeng pagisahin na lang. They do the same job anyway. Unicameral legislature.
    Vice Mayor, same as VP.
    Councilors, pwede sigurong bawasan. We need local laws and regulations also. mahirap magpatakbo ng local government kung centralized.
    Ang pwedeng tangalin is barangay and barangay councilors and move their responsibilities to the local government unit.

    what we can do is to do a con-con to change the form of government to parliamentary. at least, in a parliamentary form of government, if the PM is not performing, we do not need to go to a costly and long impeachment process. ang problem lang sa parliamentary is pano kung puro kaalyado ni PM ang mga MPs? Hindi matatangal yan... And kung matangal man dahil hindi nya kaalyado ang mga MPs, walang continuity sa mga programs, which results in the country going to a dead-end.

    another option is also going federalism.. wherein the governor has full control on his local government including budget, local regulations, etc. (same as in the US). ang problema, pano kung kurakot ang governor? pano din kung may political dynasty sa local government level?

    kasama kasi ang kultura ng pilipino dyan, if i consider nila yan.

    so going back to the topic, kalokohan ni angara yan.... baka kinakapos na ng pondo at tatakbo sya sa 2016.
    Last edited by 1D4LV; November 8th, 2012 at 06:54 PM.

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    As long as only the tax payers can vote then why not mawawala bayarang botante ng mga politiko (maybe not all but majority of them). No offense meant

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    so hindi pa man nauupo sa pwesto e may kurakot na. tantado din itong angara na ito.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redvin View Post
    As long as only the tax payers can vote then why not mawawala bayarang botante ng mga politiko (maybe not all but majority of them). No offense meant
    or electoral votes parang sa US

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    Hello???!!!

    Pero, taxpayers lang ang makakaboto?

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    wala ng maisip kaya kung anu-ano na lang napagdidiskitahan.

Senator Angara: Taxpayers should fund elections