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    #31
    Quote Originally Posted by vito corleone View Post
    actually, some of the interviewed people in the hacienda would rather have the status quo since they will lose some of the benefits that they are enjoying, like 13th-month pay, christmas bonus, etc
    sala sa init sala sa lamig. di mo talaga alam kung ano gusto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vito corleone View Post
    actually, some of the interviewed people in the hacienda would rather have the status quo since they will lose some of the benefits that they are enjoying, like 13th-month pay, christmas bonus, etc
    Aren't the leftists also lurking around at the sidelines?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vito corleone View Post
    actually, some of the interviewed people in the hacienda would rather have the status quo since they will lose some of the benefits that they are enjoying, like 13th-month pay, christmas bonus, etc
    Actualy may mga nag complain na. Sana yung share na lang daw... may 13th month pay na may bonus pa.

    Then young iba naman, gusto mag form sila ng group ng hahawak ng lahat ng land title. Kung di ba naman sila ulol.

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    #34
    Quote Originally Posted by CoDer View Post
    Actualy may mga nag complain na. Sana yung share na lang daw... may 13th month pay na may bonus pa.

    Then young iba naman, gusto mag form sila ng group ng hahawak ng lahat ng land title. Kung di ba naman sila ulol.
    mga ulol nga....

    ngayong andyan na yung final decision ng SC, parang ayaw naman nila.
    samantalang noon, panay ang rally, panay ang protests nila. ngawa ng ngawa.

    at itong si casino (akbayan) ume-epal..... ibigay na lang daw ng libre yung lupain ng luisita.

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    #35
    Quote Originally Posted by chua_riwap View Post
    mga ulol nga....

    ngayong andyan na yung final decision ng SC, parang ayaw naman nila.
    samantalang noon, panay ang rally, panay ang protests nila. ngawa ng ngawa.

    at itong si casino (akbayan) ume-epal..... ibigay na lang daw ng libre yung lupain ng luisita.
    Yan pang epal na yan!

    Libre na lang daw?!?

    Ano sila swerte.


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    #36
    Pang-gulo lang kasi yang leftist para may maging bala sila sa rally nila. :hysterical:

    As stated before, the farmera will lose in the end kasi less than 1 hectare lang makukuha nila tapos ilan sila sa family nila? Bayad utang lang mangyayari dyan eh. Not sustainable. Akala nila mas magiging ok, malas nila naniwala sila sa mga leftist na yan.

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    #37
    Ala kasing edukasyon, mga mangmang..gusto puro hingi galing sa mga taong kaya yumaman dahil sa diskarte at kaalaman.

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    #38
    The proposition that the land be given to them for free may be hard. First, can the government afford it? Because the government cannot just get it from the Cojuangcos without paying them. That is confiscatory. Second most important, does it have legal ground so as not to violate the equal protection of the law on the ground that the proposed measure does not substantially distinguish the beneficiaries vis-a-vis the rest of the landless Filipinos?

    On the issue of sustainability, there is a need to fund the process of production. The good thing is, our government has more than ample funds, just remember the fertilizer scam. The funds intended to subsidize the activities of the farmer went into their large pockets because our farmers don't know that there is such allocation. The cooperative that the CARP Law has provided is aimed at helping those farmers fund farming itself. Cooperatives have personality to accept grants or contract loans, so easier for the government to funnel the funds and with this, the cycle of production is hoped to be sustained. Well, these are ideals, not necessarily the truth.

    We don't really know, and we have no gauge to know it, but let's just give these beneficiaries the chance to chart their own destiny. I just hope that land ownership transcends the issue of the beneficiaries' entitlement but may the sense of ownership would push them to increase their production and bring their lives to greater heights. May every Filipino's self-reliant character contribute to our nation's treasury....and my list goes on...and on....

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    #39
    Quote Originally Posted by chua_riwap View Post
    mga ulol nga....

    ngayong andyan na yung final decision ng SC, parang ayaw naman nila.
    samantalang noon, panay ang rally, panay ang protests nila. ngawa ng ngawa.

    at itong si casino (akbayan) ume-epal..... ibigay na lang daw ng libre yung lupain ng luisita.
    Si Casino kaya magbigay ng lupa sa kanila. Gaaad i hate the Party List system. Useless.

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    Eto na: Farmers 'take over' Luisita - The Philippine Star » News » Headlines

    Farmers 'take over' Luisita
    By Ding Cervantes (The Philippine Star) Updated December 01, 2011 12:00 AM Comments (23)

    SAN FERNANDO, Pampanga, Philippines – Hacienda Luisita farmers yesterday marked Bonifacio Day by officially declaring their “takeover” of the hacienda and ordering the Cojuangco-Aquino family to “vacate” the estate.

    In a statement jointly issued by their unions, the farmers also demanded the family to pay P1.33 billion earned from the sale of some 200 hectares of hacienda lands in 1996 and the sale of another 80 hectares for the Subic-Clark-Tarlac expressway (SCTEX) project, as well as income from the Luisita Industrial Park in Tarlac City.

    Describing themselves as the “real owners” of the hacienda, the farmers also told the military within the estate to leave Luisita.

    The Unyon ng mga Manggagawa sa Agrikultura (UMA), the mother federation of Alyansa ng mga Manggagawang Bukid sa Asyenda Luisita (Ambala) and United Luisita Workers Union (ULWU), made the demands in a statement issued on behalf of “the original 6,296 farm worker-beneficiaries” of land reform in the property that the Supreme Court recently ordered distributed to them.

    “The farmers are taking over the sprawling 6,453 hectares from the family of President Benigno Simeon Aquino III,” said UMA secretary-general Rodel Mesa.

    Mesa said the P1.33-billion share of the farmers from hacienda lands sold by the Cojuangco-Aquino family, as well as income from the Luisita Industrial Park, would be used as “productive capital and to procure farm equipment and other support infrastructures so the farm workers can improve agricultural production inside Luisita.”

    “The distribution of Hacienda Luisita to farm worker-beneficiaries should be under the mode of free land distribution and no just compensation should be given to the family of President Aquino to complete the delivery of long-deserved social justice to sugar workers inside the hacienda,” Mesa said.

    The statement also junked proposals to compensate the Cojuangco-Aquino family. “There is no such thing as just compensation for a long-running crime of social injustice, feudal exploitation, land reform denials and massacre of peasant lives,” the statement said.



    Mesa said compensation was “ridiculous” amid the so-called Hacienda Luisita massacre on Nov. 16, 2004 and the “illegal and immoral acquisition” of the estate by the Cojuangco-Aquino family in 1957.

    The Cojuangcos obtained a loan from the Government Service Insurance System (GSIS) to acquire the property in 1957, but under the condition that the lands would be distributed to the farmers 10 years later, or in 1967.

    The statement also said that some P2 billion in debt of the Hacienda Luisita Inc. (HLI) to San Miguel Corp. should not be passed on to the farmers.

    “The farm workers have nothing to do with the P2-billion debt incurred by the controlling Cojuangco-Aquino camp in 2004,” said the UMA statement.

    “The 67 percent controlling interest of the family of President Aquino in HLI gained P2.7 billion from the sale of 200 hectares of land in 1995, the sale of Luisita Industrial Park and from the sale of 80 hectares for the Subic-Clark-Tarlac Expressway (SCTEX),” the statement said.

    UMA noted “the entire proceeds from the sale could reach as much as P4.030 billion, with P2.67 billion going to the pockets of the Cojuangcos.”

    UMA asserted the HLI management “is now using the P2-billion debt to San Miguel as convenient excuse to pave the way for Danding and SMC’s takeover of Hacienda Luisita.”
    I wonder how much different would it have been had that Hacienda not been purchased or controlled by the Cojuancos. They would have been millionaire hacienderos by now?

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