Sabah Standoff Issues

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meron daw 10,000 Tausugs on the way to Sabah

patay lahat yan... si robin padilla ba hinde sasama?

[Altis6453]

meron daw 10,000 Tausugs on the way to Sabah

Sorry to sound insensitive, but if they're going there "ready to die", I hope its with the knowledge that the real beneficiaries of their "martyrdom" are all in Manila, twiddling their thumbs and talking tough to the media. Probably waiting for the government to do the negotiating over higher rental payments from Malaysia. Probably not one cent of that cash will go to the families of those who died because the rent is paid to the Sultanate.

Something's really wrong here.

I heard an expert on Islamic affairs from U.P. say that the government's tack on this was wrong from the start and that it should have supported the Sultanate's claim to Sabah the way past PH Presidents did. What is skewed about this is that issuing statements of support by the government now, in light of what the "Royal Army" did in doing an armed incursion to Sabah would be tantamount to condoning aggression over a territorial dispute --- something the PH is trying to get support over from the international community for its territorial claims in the Spratlys and the South China Sea.

Another "expert" on geopolitics, U.P. Professor Clarita Carlos, went live on radio to say that "eh kung magalit man ang Malaysia, eh ano? Unahin mo muna ang damdamin ng Pilipino!" --- shooting from the hip, as it were. It's also skewed because she tries to call on sympathy for the plight of the Sultanate and the sentiments of the Tausugs because of their "warrior" tradition. The elephant in the room would be: So, it's perfectly ok for Tausugs to arm themselves, call themselves a "Royal Army" and completely disregard the consequences of their acts of going to Sabah like an invading force. Nevermind that the country that presently administers or governs Sabah can retailiate against Filipinos who are in that country legally, just trying to earn a living for their families back home.

Also, it would seem from these experts' statements that it's perfectly alright for the Sultan and his kin to disregard and ignore Philippine laws considering that their historical claims to Sabah trumps whatever legalities or processes that are in place for pursuing their claims.

Given that PNoy probably should've reined his previous statements in and not threatened the Kirams with prosecution to convince their followers to come home, nothing and absolutely nothing gives justification for what the Kirams are doing. Sadly, even these so-called U.P. "experts" are condoning them.

Now, any cultural minority group can just take up arms, occupy territory, and ask that government and the people of the world be "SENSITIVE" to them. Wait till some minority group lays claim to Manila and sends an armed group to city hall to do it.

What rubbish!

Something is very wrong indeed.

[Boy Bastos]

meron daw 10,000 Tausugs on the way to Sabah

Wow! Saan daanan yan? Di ba may naval blockage? Baka naman press-release lang or intimidation? If ever na true ito then sasakit na talaga ang ulo ng Malaysian govt.

Sa 100 na "royal soldiers" eh gumamit na ng F-16 at artillery. Tapos sumagot pa sa media na ok pa sila at walang nakitang dead bodies ang Malaysian Army yun pa kayang 10,000. Laban na ito. :D

[Monseratto]

Dapat sumama si Nur sa mga tauhan niya. Para mabawas naman mga sira ulo sa pilipinas...

[Ry_Tower]

"daw" meron "daw" 10,000. Wala yan.

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Sorry to sound insensitive, but if they're going there "ready to die", I hope its with the knowledge that the real beneficiaries of their "martyrdom" are all in Manila, twiddling their thumbs and talking tough to the media. Probably waiting for the government to do the negotiating over higher rental payments from Malaysia. Probably not one cent of that cash will go to the families of those who died because the rent is paid to the Sultanate.

Something's really wrong here.

I heard an expert on Islamic affairs from U.P. say that the government's tack on this was wrong from the start and that it should have supported the Sultanate's claim to Sabah the way past PH Presidents did. What is skewed about this is that issuing statements of support by the government now, in light of what the "Royal Army" did in doing an armed incursion to Sabah would be tantamount to condoning aggression over a territorial dispute --- something the PH is trying to get support over from the international community for its territorial claims in the Spratlys and the South China Sea.

Another "expert" on geopolitics, U.P. Professor Clarita Carlos, went live on radio to say that "eh kung magalit man ang Malaysia, eh ano? Unahin mo muna ang damdamin ng Pilipino!" --- shooting from the hip, as it were. It's also skewed because she tries to call on sympathy for the plight of the Sultanate and the sentiments of the Tausugs because of their "warrior" tradition. The elephant in the room would be: So, it's perfectly ok for Tausugs to arm themselves, call themselves a "Royal Army" and completely disregard the consequences of their acts of going to Sabah like an invading force. Nevermind that the country that presently administers or governs Sabah can retailiate against Filipinos who are in that country legally, just trying to earn a living for their families back home.

Also, it would seem from these experts' statements that it's perfectly alright for the Sultan and his kin to disregard and ignore Philippine laws considering that their historical claims to Sabah trumps whatever legalities or processes that are in place for pursuing their claims.

Given that PNoy probably should've reined his previous statements in and not threatened the Kirams with prosecution to convince their followers to come home, nothing and absolutely nothing gives justification for what the Kirams are doing. Sadly, even these so-called U.P. "experts" are condoning them.

Now, any cultural minority group can just take up arms, occupy territory, and ask that government and the people of the world be "SENSITIVE" to them. Wait till some minority group lays claim to Manila and sends an armed group to city hall to do it.

What rubbish!

Something is very wrong indeed.

totally agree! simple lang naman sinabi sa kanila, bumalik kayo dito then we will talk and we are dropping claims sa sabah...tigas ulo lang, akala nila wimpy boy si Pnoy, hinde nila alam mas matigas ulo ni Pnoy...

spoiled brat na kung spolied brat ugali ni Pnoy but kung hinde ganyan katigas ulo ni Pnoy, sasagasaan lang siya ng mga taong epal

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Dapat sumama si Nur sa mga tauhan niya. Para mabawas naman mga sir ulo sa pilipinas...

pati na rin si Robin padillla. in fact mag petition tayo pumunta na doon si Robin

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10,000 Tausugs to sail to Sabah | Free Malaysia Today

ZAMBOANGA CITY: Thousands of Tausug from Basilan, Sulu and Tawi-Tawi have sailed to Sabah to reinforce members of the so-called royal army of the sultanate of Sulu who are fighting it out with Malaysian security forces, a Moro National Liberation Front official said Tuesday.

“We can no longer prevent our people. We are hurt and many of our people, even the non-combatants, are going to Sabah to help the sultanate,” Habib Hashim Mudjahab, chair of the MNLF’s Islamic Council Committee, told the Philippine Daily Inquirer by phone.

Mudjahab said at least 10,000 Tausug from Basilan, Sulu, Tawi-Tawi and Zamboanga on Monday night started to reinforce the followers of Sultan Jamalul Kiram III now holed up in a coastal village in Sabah via the Philippines’ so-called “southern backdoor,” a route regular traders are familiar with.

He said the reinforcements “sailed in small numbers so they can easily penetrate Sabah unnoticed.”

‘It is about pride and honor, and our people are ready to sacrifice.’

“The naval blockade is of no use; our military should have known that. We did that before at the height of Marcos regime. We can easily go to Sabah and blend with the people there,” he added.

He was referring to a naval blockade thrown up by the Philippine Navy and Coast Guard to ensure armed sympathizers do not joined the beleaguered men in Sabah as reinforcements.

Days ago, Mudjahab said, he advised several MNLF commanders against going to Sabah to help a group of about 200 men who landed in a coastal village in Lahad Datu on Feb 9 to assert the sultanate’s claim to Sabah.

“I told them to hold on to their ranks and avoid getting emotionally affected with the situation. But our President Noynoy (President Benigno Aquino III) kept issuing statements favoring the Malaysians, which made our people agitated. The President must realize that for the Tausugs, being pushed to the wall, fighting for a cause, is dying with victory,” he said.

He said with three old heirs of the Sultanate, “who have no history of rebellion, living quietly on their own, now leading the cause in Sabah, is something great for the Tausugs.”

“It is about pride and honor, and our people are ready to sacrifice,” Mudjahab said.

Ajil Jaffar, 50, an oil palm plantation worker in Kota Kinabalu and who was among those repatriated to the country on Sunday, said he wanted to return to Sabah.
“I want to help them. It’s our honor to be with the sultan so that this deportation and abuses will stop,” he said.

A retired educator in Tawi-Tawi, who asked not to be identified by name, said the sultanate of Sulu represents an extension of their rich heritage. “They are the first Filipinos. The sultanate of Sulu was already there even before Philippines existed,” he said.

Amirah Lidasan of the non governmental group Suara Bangsamoro said the status of the sultanate of Sulu was unfinished business that “keeps on nagging us.”

“We have a bloody history of Moro people getting killed while defending the homeland. It also speaks of the Philippine government’s giving in to the interest of foreigners instead of its citizens,” Lidasan said.

[vinj]

Dapat sumama si Nur sa mga tauhan niya. Para mabawas naman mga sira ulo sa pilipinas...

Sama na rin nila sila Binay sa invading force. MAg-aambag pa ako para sa piso fare nila.

[Altis6453]

Sama na rin nila sila Binay sa invading force. MAg-aambag pa ako para sa piso fare nila.

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Hati tayo, Vinj! Bigyan ko pa ng pang in-flight meal. Hehe!

[vinj]

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Hati tayo, Vinj! Bigyan ko pa ng pang in-flight meal. Hehe!

Sige... kahit pang excess baggage pa, sagutin na rin natin. :D

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Malaysia hunts missing invaders as more fighters join - Channel NewsAsia

FELDA SAHABAT, Malaysia: Malaysian forces searched house-to-house on Wednesday after armed Filipino invaders apparently escaped a military assault, as a Philippine guerrilla warned more fighters had arrived.

Malaysia on Tuesday launched an attack with jet fighters and soldiers on up to 300 Filipino invaders in a bid to end a bloody three-week standoff in which 27 people had already been reported killed, including eight policemen.

Prime Minister Najib Razak had declared the operation was "weeding out" the holed-up followers of a self-styled sultan from the Philippines, who had come to assert a long-dormant claim to the Malaysian state of Sabah.

But authorities later indicated the militants had escaped into surrounding farmland in the remote region of Borneo island, where residents were already on edge over reports of roaming gunmen and two bloody shootouts.

"Follow-up action and house-to-house searches are being carried out carefully to ensure the safety of the policemen and soldiers," state news agency Bernama quoted police as saying.

A leader of the Moro National Liberation Front (MNLF), which waged an insurgency against the Philippine government until 1996, said hardened fighters from his group had arrived to support the militants.

"Many have slipped through the security forces," Muhajab Hashim told AFP in Manila.

"They know the area like the back of their hands because they trained there in the past," he said, referring to long-standing allegations that Malaysia helped trained MNLF leaders in their insurgency against the Philippines.

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Sige... kahit pang excess baggage pa, sagutin na rin natin. :D

Makabawas ng epal. Where to donate?

[CoDer]

Sugod na dapat ang lahat ng MNLF, MILF, Abu Sayaf, at NPA sa Malaysia para maubos sila dun. Laking pasalamat pa natin.

[Manilablock]

What if???

1. Matalo ang Royal Sultanate Army - would their claim to Sabah will now stop?

2. Kung manalo ang Royal Sultanate Army - Magkakaroon ba ng separate government ang Sabah or Philippine Government will be set up? Alam naman natin na noon pa na meron mga grupo sa mindanao na gusto humiwalay sa Pinas.


Hmmmmm.,

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I think they are now just living off from their warrior ancestors image, the true warriors...mga "warriors" ngayon wala na rin...yun nag all out war nga si ERAP eh takbuhan lahat...camp abu bakar nakuha ng military...

nakakapatay na lang sila pag pa traydor...pero pag harapan wala na rin...

puro propaganda na lang dito sa manila mga leaders.

yun mga sumugod doon pag tinago ng mga civilians tinulungan pati sila pasabugin na rin mga malaysian military

[vinj]

What if???

2. Kung manalo ang Royal Sultanate Army - Magkakaroon ba ng separate government ang Sabah or Philippine Government will be set up? Alam naman natin na noon pa na meron mga grupo sa mindanao na gusto humiwalay sa Pinas.


Hmmmmm.,

Expect this thing called greed to step in. I'm sure magkakapower struggle yan. AFAIK, kahit yung title na Sultan of Sulo there are several claimants to that.

[hein]

What if???

1. Matalo ang Royal Sultanate Army - would their claim to Sabah will now stop?

2. Kung manalo ang Royal Sultanate Army - Magkakaroon ba ng separate government ang Sabah or Philippine Government will be set up? Alam naman natin na noon pa na meron mga grupo sa mindanao na gusto humiwalay sa Pinas.
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Only No. 1 will happen.

[uls]

Malaysia now has a Mindanao problem hehe

[vinj]

^Pinoy pride... hehehe. Our people are the best exports of this country indeed.

Seriously though, they should have first resorted to resolution through diplomatic or international judicial means (or something like that) before coming in, guns blazing. It's just so... backward and will never get any good results for either side.