Sabah Standoff Issues

[Altis6453]

corek! si makoy ang nagbigay ng order na patayin yung mga merdeka commandos sa corregidor. si ninoy ang nag-expose ng jabidah massacre.

propaganda yata ng mga marcoses yung fb page na yun e. sad lang na ang daming naniniwala, puro mga bata pa. yan mahirap sa internet, dami tanga na may konting information lang o kung ano ang unang mabasa e yun ang ang truth sa kanila. ang daming t*nga na pilipino.

QFT! Daming nag papadala sa jinggoism ng mga kiram at sympathizers nila. Trying oh so very hard to inflame other people.

[hein]

The PH will never get Sabah back, because the Malaysians are willing to go to War for it.

The PH is not.

[Monseratto]

The Malaysian are dead serious in using force. Besides protesting in front of the Malaysian embassy, those kulang sa pansin na militants can do little else... just like BS Aquino.

[ryanwilder]

If those clanmen can wreak havoc in sabah for years to come, then we can prove to the world that we are not pushover. Imagine a guerilla group can match a country military. That will send China a message.

But the double-edge sword of this is, if they retook Sabah with defiance to our government, then these invaders don't respect our government too. And they too will bite the hand that feeds 'em.

If the allegations were true that through the years, the Muslim seccessionist movement was financed by Malaysia, then that is there karma. They too will face what they brought upon to that southern part of the Philippines.

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The thing is we shouldn't really concern ourselves with events in the south. Just consider sabah as another sulu, where lawlessness prevail. That sabah isssue is pre-meditated, it's pre-planned. If those invaders die, then i'm sure it won't stop there. It's classic text book rebellion.

ganyan na talaga mangyari sa mundo na tin, as more and more people are born to the earth. Limited resources. China is maybe 3-4 Billion now, that's why they are trying to conquer as near as 200km of our land, the Muslims are expanding too, dumdami din population nila and maybe they ran their own numbers, and Mindanao wont cut it, they need more land, and thst maybe Sabah.

And then here in Luzon the so-called new intelligent middle class, they are always quick to blame the Catholics for population woes. But those invaders, I have mentioned they dont even answer to our bishops and the pope himself, and yet they too are experiencing population booms that maybe even faster than us, that's why they resort drastic measures in the quest for securing resources.

[Monseratto]

LAHAD DATU: Operations still on-going - Latest - New Straits Times

LAHAD DATU: Home Minister Datuk Seri Hishamuddin Hussein today announced there were no casualties among Malaysian security forces involved in this morning’s operation.

However, he said casualties among the enemies would only be confirmed later as the operation is still on-going.

“The report will be given by Inspector-General of Police, Tan Sri Ismail Omar.

“To us, what is important is that we are also looking into the welfare of Kampung Tanduo villagers and we will provide assistance to them through the National Security Council,” he said.

He added that it is also important to note that the cooperation from all quarters is to ensure safety and avoid bloodshed. The operation was carried out by the army and police.

Defence Minister Datuk Seri Zahid Hamidi who was also present at the press conference said the army had utilised three F/A-18D fighter bombers and five Hawk 208 fighter jets in this morning's operation.

“I have been asked to return to Kuala Lumpur and we managed to meet Philippine officials and we discussed certain matters,” he said.

[Ry_Tower]

When Macoy said that the Phil will not pursue claim to Sabah, that is when things went from bad to worse for us.

Malaysi is rising, we are well, here pa rin. If once the ICJ denied our petition for arbitration, mas malabo na ngayon at very established na malaysian gov't doon. Mahihirapan na tayo, yun ang totoo.

[hein]

If those clanmen can wreak havoc in sabah for years to come, then we can prove to the world that we are not pushover. Imagine a guerilla group can match a country military. .

Wishful Thinking. Mahina ang PH military.

Malaysia finished off their insurgengy in 3 years. Tayo 50 years hindi pa tapos.

Plus, the Sabah people favor the Malysians over the Pinoys. In a documentary by ABS-CBN, even the Filipinos who live there say Malaysia manages things better than PH.

[donbuggy]

Malaysian forces launch all-out attack against intruders

The Star/Asia News Network, NST
Tuesday, Mar 05, 2013

LAHAD DATU - Dawn attacks to flush out the remaining group of armed Sulu gunmen is on.

Early Tuesday morning, fighter jets began screaming low over the armed group cornered at the village since Feb 9.

Continuous explosions are being heard as the police and army move in against the gunmen who are reportedly firing back.

The situation around Tanjung Labian, about 7km away from Tanduo village in Felda Village 17 was tense as more than 300 villagers huddled in a community hall kept hearing the explosions.

The ground battle is believed to be on in Tanduo village now.

[Altis6453]

From Philstar.com

Impending defeat can end Jamalul loyalty control
by: Jairus Bondoc

Sulu Sultan Jamalul Kiram III has started a fight he can never hope to win. For detailing too long in Tanduao village, Lahad Datu, Sabah, his ragtag band of Tausug loyalists, Malaysia had to eject them by force. Resisting with a few long arms, they slew two Malaysian policemen, but themselves suffered ten dead and ten captured. Elsewhere in Sabah in the next days they in turn killed five Malaysian soldiers and took hostage four. It only worsened their situation. Provoked, Malaysia naturally is using everything in its arsenal, including fighter-bombers and mortars, to contain them. They will be wiped out, by bullet if not by deprivation.

Violence, hatred, suspicion are now feeding themselves. A retired but armed Moro rebel reportedly rounded up Sabahan neighbors, but was mobbed. Malaysian forces mowed down Jamalul sympathizers, including two imams (Muslim prayer leaders) and sons. Hundreds of their fellow-Tausugs were deported from Sabah Sunday, with more to follow for illegal stays. Dozens of others, legally employed, have been fired by Malaysian employers. Many of the 800,000 Filipinos in Sabah, mostly Tausugs, reportedly are in fear of reprisals.

Jamalul had miscalculated. Taking for Malaysian weakness four deferments of any assault, he had his brother Raja Muda (Crown Prince) Agbi-muddin and the loyalists dig in at Tanduao. The ensuing massacre is akin to what happened to Tausugs in Jolo, Sulu, this week 107 years ago, in the (First) Battle of Bud Daho.

The Sulu Sultan was on the side of the American massacrers in 1906, though. The most diehard Tausug resisters of American rule had holed up in the forested crater of the dormant volcano. The colonial army balked at attacking. For, sustaining heavy casualties would point up the near impregnability of the mountain stronghold. The rebels, 800 to 1,000 including women and children, misjudged as softness the American hesitance. They raided lowland villages for food, angering the datus. Rejected was a last-ditch try by the Sultan to make them disband. American ground and naval artillery were called in, followed by mounted and foot soldiers. The rebels resisted with mere swords, spears, and improvised grenades. Only six of them came out alive.

Jamalul seems to not have learned from that lesson. This puts in question not only his generalship but also his royalty claim. Followers naturally desert a defeated leader. There are ten other claimants to the Sultan’s throne, largely symbolic as it may be.

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It takes two hands to clap. Jamalul rebukes Malacañang for vagueness about its stand on his Sabah claims. Yet he and Agbimuddin appear to not be upfront as well about their intents. That is Malacañang’s explanation for the crafting of its statements on the standoff and ensuing armed clashes.

Malacañang cites three instances of doubletalk by Jamalul and Agbimuddin: (1) in their bearing of arms in Sabah, (2) in their appeals for support, (3) in their denial of Palace efforts to help resolve their dilemma.

Of 180 to 235 loyalists who went to Sabah, 30 allegedly were armed with rifles and pistols only to secure Agbimuddin. They intended no aggression; thus the presence of 30 women. Reports are sketchy if they indeed had fired first in Tanduao, at a patrol car that was enforcing a distant perimeter. But the instant retaliations in Sem****a, two-and-a-half hours’ drive away, shows that the arming was more than for just bodyguard, Malacañang says.

Jamalul and Agbimuddin also would not say if the help they seek is in pressing their proprietary claim, that is, higher annual rent. They lament that the Sultanate receives a mere 5,300 ringgit a year, which when divvied up redounds to at most P2.50 per adult heir. The President refuses to talk about the claim unless Jamalul and Agbimuddin stand down first. Yet three Cabinet men have assured that the government has not abandoned the sovereignty right. The Sultanate is saying that what it is doing in Sabah will benefit the Filipino nation.

From the start, Malacañang had sent Presidential Political Adviser Ronald Llamas and National Security Adviser Cesar Garcia to help save the lives of Jamalul’s men. They apparently disagreed, so Malacañang dispatched two Muslims by birth: Muslim Autonomous Region Gov. Mujiv Hataman, who is half-Tausug and speaks the language, and police general Cipriano Querol Jr. They acceded to Jamalul’s request for non-publicizing of their talks. That’s why, Malacañang says, it was surprised when the latter accused them of refusing to talk.

Even the hour-long sea crossing from Simunol, Tawi-Tawi, to Tanduao is suspect, Malacañang adds a fourth item. If Jamalul and Agbimuddin are bent on dramatizing their claim, why in March? Summer, in May-June, would have seen calmer seas, not treacherous habagat (southwest trade winds). Was it timed for the simultaneous election campaigns in the Philippines and Malaysia?

Indeed election contenders in both countries are now politicizing the issue. In the Philippines, the opposition is bashing the party in power for mishandling the standoff-turned-massacre. Former bitter foes are coming together in what Malacañang in turn calls provocateur-financiers of the Sulu Sultanate’s “royal guards.”

In Malaysia, the ruling party is accusing the opposition of collusion with the Tausug intruders. A plot is in the offing to blackmail Agbimuddin’s remnants to implicate certain political figures.

The screeching from both sides — to invade Sabah or deport all 800,000 Filipinos, jail all political foes or muzzle the press — do not help to dissipate the conflict.

[vinj]

That was one ill-advised and ill-mannered adventure into Sabah if you ask me. There is a better way to push one's claims and going forth into war is not the way to do it today.

Likewise, we already have enough problems in Mindanao so adding on Sabah at this point in a forceful manner will just stretch our meager resources even more. I agree with the observation of Yebo and Uls where we can't even properly convert and use the resources we have, and for sure there will be a select few who will pursue Sabah for their own vested interests rather than the good of the state.

[Manilablock]

What if???

1. Matalo ang Royal Sultanate Army - would their claim to Sabah will now stop?

2. Kung manalo ang Royal Sultanate Army - Magkakaroon ba ng separate government ang Sabah or Philippine Government will be set up? Alam naman natin na noon pa na meron mga grupo sa mindanao na gusto humiwalay sa Pinas.


Hmmmmm.,

[vinj]

What if???

2. Kung manalo ang Royal Sultanate Army - Magkakaroon ba ng separate government ang Sabah or Philippine Government will be set up? Alam naman natin na noon pa na meron mga grupo sa mindanao na gusto humiwalay sa Pinas.


Hmmmmm.,

Expect this thing called greed to step in. I'm sure magkakapower struggle yan. AFAIK, kahit yung title na Sultan of Sulo there are several claimants to that.

[hein]

What if???

1. Matalo ang Royal Sultanate Army - would their claim to Sabah will now stop?

2. Kung manalo ang Royal Sultanate Army - Magkakaroon ba ng separate government ang Sabah or Philippine Government will be set up? Alam naman natin na noon pa na meron mga grupo sa mindanao na gusto humiwalay sa Pinas.
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Only No. 1 will happen.

[uls]

Malaysia now has a Mindanao problem hehe

[vinj]

^Pinoy pride... hehehe. Our people are the best exports of this country indeed.

Seriously though, they should have first resorted to resolution through diplomatic or international judicial means (or something like that) before coming in, guns blazing. It's just so... backward and will never get any good results for either side.

[Monseratto]

Unless the Kirams would step up and start commiting terrorist style bombings in Kuala Lumpur, this is still a isolated act of desperation... We're givng too much credit to Kiram's followers.

[Boy Bastos]

Only No. 1 will happen.

It's hard to totally defeat them. Erap bombed and captured MILF-HQ. After a few years, they re-regroup and re-armed again. The fighting resumes.

[hein]

It's hard to totally defeat them. Erap bombed and captured MILF-HQ. After a few years, they re-regroup and re-armed again. The fighting resumes.

Iba yung Malaysia sa Pilipinas.

They finished off their insurgency in 3 years. PH 50 years, hindi pa tapos.

[Boy Bastos]

Iba yung Malaysia sa Pilipinas.

They finished off their insurgency in 3 years. PH 50 years, hindi pa tapos.

ok. Any idea to resolve Mindanao insurgency? Malaysia solved its communist insurgency. Mindanao has a different one.

[Boy Bastos]

Iba yung Malaysia sa Pilipinas.

They finished off their insurgency in 3 years. PH 50 years, hindi pa tapos.

BTW, what kind of Malaysian insurgency are you pertaining that was solved in 3 years?