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    Quote Originally Posted by Juan Martinez View Post
    MRs rise is very negligible. his rise, if we can call it at that, is brought about by GP and Digong's declining numbers. only a little of these numbers have strayed on MRs camp. i think it is for the latter's interest that this electoral exercise is a four-way fight rather than two-- MR vs. JB; otherwise, the result will just be a forgone conclusion. i don't think GP and Digong's bases will altogether transfer to MR overnight. JB is always the man to beat in this election. CD outnumbers AB.
    Early survey is nothing really. It's the last stretch of the campaign next year that will determine the winner.

    And that's when candidate with resources will have an advantage.


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    Quote Originally Posted by shadow View Post
    Early survey is nothing really. It's the last stretch of the campaign next year that will determine the winner.

    And that's when candidate with resources will have an advantage.


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    survey result is but a reflection of the collective sentiment or mood of a particular group of persons at a given time. one cannot just take it in stride taking it merely as numbers or statistics because it has the tendency to sway public opinion to one's side or to rally support to somebody else.

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    Poe failed citizenship, residency requirements, but didn’t intend to mislead voters

    Thursday, December 24, 2015 12:17PM

    By ROSE-AN JESSICA DIOQUINO,GMA News

    Commission on Elections chair Andres Bautista was a dissenting vote in both en banc resolutions which junked Sen. Grace Poe's appeals to reverse division rulings cancelling her certificate of candidacy for president.

    Bautista, the lone member of the en banc who is not part of either division, said he did not believe Poe had a deliberate intent to mislead the public by declaring in her COC that she is a natural-born Filipino and that she meets the 10-year residency requirement.

    This runs contrary to the opinion of the majority of the en banc, who voted to say the senator had such intent.

    Five commissioners in both cases voted to grant a total of four petitions that seek to take Poe out of the 2016 presidential race on the grounds of citizenship and residency.

    While he voted in dissent, Bautista, however, agreed with the commissioners in saying that the senator does not meet either requirement.

    Bautista wrote two separate opinions for the rulings -- a three-page concurring and dissenting opinion on the First Division ruling, and a 53-page opinion on the Second Division's.

    'No deliberate intent to mislead'

    The poll body chief said Poe did not commit material misrepresentation on either citizenship or residency.

    He voiced disagreement with the Second Division ruling, which granted the petition of lawyer Estrella Elamparo on the basis of Poe's misrepresentation about her citizenship in her COC for president.

    "A perusal of the Resolution shows that the Second Division failed to discuss the import of a deliberate attempt to mislead, misinform, or hide a fact which would otherwise render a candidate ineligible," he said.

    After citing several election cases on the matter, in particular those of Romualdez-Marcos and Coquilla, Bautista said that while he believes Poe's declaration of 10 years and 11 months in her COC for president is false, he accepts her explanation that her previous declaration in her COC for senator was an honest mistake.

    "I am satisfied with Respondent's explanation... that her 'false' statement in her 2013 COC was just due to an honest mistake which was supposedly caused by the ambiguity in the said COC," he wrote.

    Bautista said he agreed with the Second Division, which ruled that Poe did not commit material misrepresentation on declaring she is a natural-born Filipino.

    "I agree with the findings of the Second Division that she could not have committed material misrepresentation as regards her citizenship, considering that the issue on whether or not foundlings found in the Philippines are considered natural-born Filipino citizenships has not yet been definitively resolved and settled by the Supreme Court," he wrote.

    He added: "As a foundling who grew up in the Philippines immersed in its culture, language and traditions, it was but natural for Respondent to think of herself as a Filipino."

    'Not natural-born'

    However, Bautista was one with the commissioners in saying Poe is not a natural-born citizen.

    He pointed out that the provision of the 1935 Constitution -- which applied when Poe was born in 1968 -- did not include foundlings in its enumeration of who are considered natural-born.

    He added that since jus sanguinis, or citizenship determined by blood relationship, applies in the Philippines, ruling that foundlings are included "by the fact that they are found in the Philippines... will necessarily run against the Constitution."

    Bautista said Poe "so far failed to show" a direct blood relationship to a Filipino parent, and claiming that she is "probably born of Filipino parents is also insufficient to prove" that she is.

    The senator is likewise "not covered by two recognized exceptions" on the matter, he pointed out: She cannot elect Filipino citizenship upon attaining the age of majority because her biological mother is unknown, and repatriation does not grant her the said status.

    He added that Poe's adoption by Filipino parents "does not grant her" their citizenship.

    Further, he said she also "cannot anchor her case on international law" since the Constitution is the primary rule, and Poe "has failed to sufficiently establish" that those she cited were customary international laws.

    'Did not reacquire natural-born status'

    In his opinion on the First Division's ruling -- which granted collectively the petitions filed by former Sen. Francisco Tatad, political science professor Antonio Contreras, and former University of the East Law dean Amado Valdez -- Bautista expounded on the issue regarding the status of former Filipinos who reacquire their Philippine citizenship under Republic Act No. 9225.

    He said that as per the 1987 Constitution, natural-born citizens are those who are citizens from birth "without having to perform any act to acquire or perfect their Philippine citizenship."

    Those who reacquire their citizenship per R.A. 9225 have "to perform an act" to do so, he added. Hence, a former Filipino who reacquires Philippine citizenship, as in Poe's case, "should be deemed to be a naturalized Filipino citizen."

    However, as he pointed out in his other separate opinion, Bautista thinks Poe could not have restored her natural-born status since she was not one to begin with. — RSJ, GMA News

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juan Martinez View Post

    He said that as per the 1987 Constitution, natural-born citizens are those who are citizens from birth "without having to perform any act to acquire or perfect their Philippine citizenship."

    Those who reacquire their citizenship per R.A. 9225 have "to perform an act" to do so, he added. Hence, a former Filipino who reacquires Philippine citizenship, as in Poe's case, "should be deemed to be a naturalized Filipino citizen."

    this! kaya kung may balak kang tumakbo bilang senador, bise presidente o presidente, di ka dapat maging citizen ng ibang bansa.

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    Y So given those presumptions. Pwede ba sya madisqualify now as a Senator?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jiggs View Post
    Y So given those presumptions. Pwede ba sya madisqualify now as a Senator?
    If the Supreme Court says she is not a natural-born Filipino

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    Quote Originally Posted by anonemus View Post
    If the Supreme Court says she is not a natural-born Filipino
    Ahhh ok so waiting for final ruling ng SC. Well kung interpret clearly based on that 1987 Const... Clearly she will fall under Naturalized Filipino. Kahit pa ma established kung sino ang biological parents Nya. Malamng tapos nadin tenure nya as a Senator bago maresolve yun, pero pede din maexpedite kase me political Push! Kabang abang ang mga susunod na kabanata👀

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    Ang totoong Pilipino kaya magluto ng tuyo sa loob ng American -inhabited condo

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    Yan talaga ang mahirap at nagpa uto sya Kay chiz(major opportunist IMHO) , after that win or lose, disqualified or not chiz will reap the benefit of Grace candidacy.

    If she wins sure na sya Bilang vp but if she is disqualified , still chiz can benefit the sympathy vote Kaya sure win na rin sya.

    Kung Minsan kasi dapat magisip isip din dapt sya muna kasi Kung pumayg Lang Sayn na vp sure na Walng lalabas na dq cases against her, Medyo maaga ng nasilaw sa kaway ng power e.

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    Mainit init pa

    SC stops Comelec from cancelling Poe COC
    SC stops Comelec from cancelling Poe COC

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    Quote Originally Posted by jodski View Post
    Mainit init pa

    SC stops Comelec from cancelling Poe COC
    SC stops Comelec from cancelling Poe COC

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    Hindi pa tapos ang boksing.

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    Lesson for the Comelec: Next time, huwag na nila bigyan kahit 1 day si Grace Poe na makahingi ng TRO sa SC. Dapat nung nilabas nila yung decision, last Dec. 23, they should have given Grace only 4 days to make it executory. 4 days na holidays lahat para wala talagang magawa kahit ano si Poe dahil walang bukas ang gobyerno. Nahiya pa kasi eh. Di pa sinagad pang-gigipit

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    While nagka-TRO si GP, eto namang si garfield, may balitang inilaglaglag na si Poe.

    Mar-chiz na raw ang pino-promote nya.
    Laglagan na!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chua_riwap View Post
    While nagka-TRO si GP, eto namang si garfield, may balitang inilaglaglag na si Poe.

    Mar-chiz na raw ang pino-promote nya.
    Laglagan na!
    He's a lawyer and already knows the outcome of the DQ case when SC resumes next year.
    sadly, another candidate from bicol would be pushed aside with his action[emoji30]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gumusut_Amige View Post
    He's a lawyer and already knows the outcome of the DQ case when SC resumes next year.
    sadly, another candidate from bicol would be pushed aside with his action[emoji30]

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    If Grace Poe wins in May, the SC will not dare disqualify her.

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    Ang talagang nagpapagulo dito sa pilipinas ay SC. Walang mga alam puro ante order-TRO. Masyado nakikialam mga bwisit na justices yan

    Simple lang SC pero epal


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    Grace Poe regains top spot in presidential poll – Pulse Asia Grace Poe regains top spot in presidential poll ? Pulse Asia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juan Martinez View Post
    Grace Poe regains top spot in presidential poll – Pulse Asia Grace Poe regains top spot in presidential poll ? Pulse Asia
    Pwede na rin basta huwag lang si Negro. Anyone just not that nigger crook will do for me. Kung GP pwede pa maging 52nd state ang Pinas

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    Quote Originally Posted by macsd View Post
    Pwede na rin basta huwag lang si Negro. Anyone just not that nigger crook will do for me. Kung GP pwede pa maging 52nd state ang Pinas
    san miguel beer and tanduay are poor second to...? kaya 52nd state lang tayo...?

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