Reproductive Health Bill 5043 [MERGED]

[uls]

^^^

and Dolphy...

[ZENMasterTYL]

Malapit na yatang mag-vote, sabi sa news kagabi. Kaya pati pangalan ni Kris, sama sa news ... kung nag-contraceptive daw si Cory walang Kris ngayon

pano naman nalaman ni bacani na hindi nag contraceptive si tita cory?

[basti08]

10 simplified facts about the RH Bill

COMMENTARY: 10 facts about the RH Bill - InterAksyon.com

by Sen. Pia Cayetano

[Monseratto]

News reports that Congress will vote on the RH bill TODAY, not tomorrow as first thought. This after PNoy met with LP congressmen at Malacanang earlier. I think they have the numbers to push ahead the RH law, good luck to them!

House moves crucial RH bill vote to Monday
BY ANDREO CALONZO, GMA NEWS August 6, 2012 3:01pm


The House of Representatives will take a crucial vote on whether or not to continue debates on the controversial reproductive health (RH) bill on Monday afternoon, House Majority Leader Neptali Gonzales II said.

The decision was arrived at after 160 lawmakers met with President Benigno Aquino III in Malacañang at Monday lunch time.

The House was originally supposed to take the vote on Tuesday, August 7. — DVM, GMA News

[ZENMasterTYL]

^ nang magkaalaman na

[ZENMasterTYL]

marathon na naman to sa anc

[Monseratto]

Pagkatapos Divorce bill naman!

[greenlyt]

naguumpisa na botohan?
goodluck

[basti08]

Pagkatapos Divorce bill naman!

Nyeta! mapapalaban ata ang simbahang katoliko ng todo pag nagkataon ng sunod sunod. hahahah :bwahaha:

[Monseratto]

Aquino's House allies to end RH debates today

Aquino's House allies to end RH debates today
BY CARMELA FONBUENA
Posted on 08/06/2012 2:08 PM | Updated 08/06/2012 3:37 PM

MANILA, Philippines - Administration allies in the House of Representatives have agreed to vote in favor of terminating the debate on House Bill 4244 or the proposed "Responsible Parenthood, Reproductive Health and Population and Development Act of 2011," according to two lawmakers present in the caucus that President Aquino called on Monday, August 6.

This means the bill now has a chance of being passed within the current 15th Congress. But this does not mean congressmen will eventually approve the RH bill, the two lawmakers clarified.

"Next battle is (the) period of amendments," said one informed source.

Members of the House will vote later today, August 6. The House was originally scheduled to vote tomorrow, Tuesday.

PNoy's 'appeal'

They said the administration allies -- both supporters and critics of the RH bill -- reached a "consensus" after President Aquino "appealed" to them Monday morning to vote in favor of terminating debates.

About 180 district and party list representatives trooped to Malacañang to attend the caucus.

The vote is whether or not they will end the debates on the RH bill so they can proceed to the more crucial stage of the legislative process -- the period of amendments. This is the stage where representatives can change contentious provisions in HB 4244 until they come up with a version that House members will agree to pass.

Critics of the RH bill originally wanted to prolong the debates. This could have jeopardized the bill itself, given that there is less than a year left in the current 15th Congress.

Continuing debates could have meant the death of the bill.

'Not a marching order'

Was President Aquino's "appeal" equivalent to a marching order?

Liberal Party secretary-general and Cavite Rep. Joseph Emilio Abaya said it was not. "No one is ordered to march. Pakiusap is to vote to terminate debates so that people can vote on the issue," he told Rappler.

"Appeal only to terminate debate...Pakiusap because maraming against," said the high ranking House official in an SMS message. (It was an appeal because there are many against.)

"He (President Aquino) expressly stated his position that he strongly believes we need responsible parenthood. But he will not impose. He appeals for all to dig into their consciece," said another lawmaker, coming from a different political party.

Supporters and critics of the RH bill had a discussion during the caucus.

The bill has been pending in the House of plenary -- under the period of debates stage -- for one year and 6 months.

The Catholic church earlier claimed there are 140 lawmakers against the RH bill. The RH bill advocates questioned the survey. - Rappler.com

[Quint]

More than an economic issue, it is a moral issue. Once you promote the use of contraceptives, and the government starts to fund it, it creates a culture of promiscuity. And once you have a promiscuous nation, an abortion culture is born. Now, tell me, is killing a child permissible for all of you? It promotes selfishness because people start thinking about their own happiness, and they avoid building families because it becomes inconvenient and burdensome. What's next? Divorce?

Penultimately, it is a matter of sin. Sin is sin, and we expect the Catholic Church to condone it? If God says "Thou shall not kill," why will the Church say yes to it? Even you argue that you are pro-choice, at the end of the day, you choose your selfish motives over a life. You choose to kill a life. An innocent life. And that is something the Church will not allow.

For me, if the Philippines passes this bill, it clearly shows that our morality has gone the way of the West---down the drain.

The UN approves it because the proponent countries are the ones who have gone down this path. But look at the morality of these countries today, most, if not all of them have abandoned their Christian roots.

Take the US. If you look at their history, you can see that they started with very strong Christian values. The people who wrote their Constitution, Bill of Rights, were mostly Christians. They were the ones who put God first in their laws, in their money, and recognized the importance of freedom as God commanded. However, they have used the same freedom, abused it, and made it serve their selfish motives. They allowed for the ***ual revolution to take place in the 60s, passed the bill on abortion in the 70s, and started and went onto a moral decline henceforth. Today, they don't even want to hear the word God in their schools, and want to take out His name from their currency. But look at them today. Where is America heading with all its PAST success? Down, down, down... Its a moral wake-up call.

Who are the countries who went down this path and succeeded but now are dying countries? Western Europe. Look at them, read about them, read economic data, population data especially. With all their seeming successes, their countries are dying because population has a negative growth rate. Take Finland, Germany, etc. They need migrants to keep their nation in existence, or in a few decades or so, they will be all gone. Who will benefit from their so-called success then? There are already a great multitude from different countries, mostly Middle Eastern who are taking over their nations---that is why Islam is also growing there, and Christian churches being abandoned. But what kind of morality does Islam bring? What kind of discipline does Islam bring? What kind of society or nation does Islam build?

We take Christianity and its values for granted, but we forget that the values of freedom (especially individual freedom) came from Christianity. And now, we want to abandon it because we want our selfish desires to take precedence over its values.

When we go down this path, the gift of freedom that the Lord has given to us will become a curse. The freedom to choose not to have children will give birth to promiscuity, to promiscuity, abortion, and to abortion, a selfishness that is focused on personal happiness. No one would want to commit to responsibility anymore except for their own happiness. Divorce, therefore, is not far away then...

So what will become of us then? A selfish, and self-serving society and nation?

Its all written in history ---and some of them fairly recent history too. But we never learn our lessons well. Never. And so armed with our selfish motives, we move on and expect a different result? If only we follow God's Wisdom, God's plans, and trust His will...

Who is the enemy, therefore? Is it really the Catholic Church? Is it the church who stands by and defends God's values? The enemy is not the Church, it is us, and our own selfish desires, but we don't even want to admit it. We want to give up on God, and just give in to our desires...

As Bishop Villegas said, let government persist in its fight against corruption. Let government go the path of education, not population elimination. Education will make people understand the implications of having children without taking responsibility. Education will strengthen the work base of a nation. Education will increase the opportunity for success, if that's what we want. Even now, with our not-so-sterling level of education, we manage to export our talent, and with great appreciation by our host nations too.

There are other ways to economic success, and this is not it. Many nations may have experience some success, but it proves to us that it is not sustainable either. Worse, we come out morally bankrupt.

But as God would have it, its our choice. Let us read from Deuteronomy 30 what is ahead of our choice:

1 When all these blessings and curses I have set before you come on you and you take them to heart wherever the Lord your God disperses you among the nations, 2 and when you and your children return to the Lord your God and obey him with all your heart and with all your soul according to everything I command you today, 3 then the Lord your God will restore your fortunes and have compassion on you and gather you again from all the nations where he scattered you. 4 Even if you have been banished to the most distant land under the heavens, from there the Lord your God will gather you and bring you back. 5 He will bring you to the land that belonged to your ancestors, and you will take possession of it. He will make you more prosperous and numerous than your ancestors. 6 The Lord your God will circumcise your hearts and the hearts of your descendants, so that you may love him with all your heart and with all your soul, and live. 7 The Lord your God will put all these curses on your enemies who hate and persecute you. 8 You will again obey the Lord and follow all his commands I am giving you today. 9 Then the Lord your God will make you most prosperous in all the work of your hands and in the fruit of your womb, the young of your livestock and the crops of your land. The Lord will again delight in you and make you prosperous, just as he delighted in your ancestors, 10 if you obey the Lord your God and keep his commands and decrees that are written in this Book of the Law and turn to the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

The Offer of Life or Death

11 Now what I am commanding you today is not too difficult for you or beyond your reach. 12 It is not up in heaven, so that you have to ask, "Who will ascend into heaven to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?" 13 Nor is it beyond the sea, so that you have to ask, "Who will cross the sea to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?" 14 No, the word is very near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart so you may obey it.

15 See, I set before you today life and prosperity, death and destruction. 16 For I command you today to love the Lord your God, to walk in obedience to him, and to keep his commands, decrees and laws; then you will live and increase, and the Lord your God will bless you in the land you are entering to possess.

17 But if your heart turns away and you are not obedient, and if you are drawn away to bow down to other gods and worship them, 18 I declare to you this day that you will certainly be destroyed. You will not live long in the land you are crossing the Jordan to enter and possess.

19 This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live 20 and that you may love the Lord your God, listen to his voice, and hold fast to him. For the Lord is your life, and he will give you many years in the land he swore to give to your fathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

[uls]

^^^

well that's called depravity

happens to all civilizations before they collapse hehe

[explorer]

More than an economic issue, it is a moral issue.

majority of preachers (priests and bishops) don't believe in this. 7 out of 10 priests and bishops i personally knew have kids which is against their vow and very immoral to the eyes of God and man.

[basti08]

Indeed more than an economic but a moral issue. How about the immorality that arises from over population? If you'd think this is all about money, think again. There are really bigger issues indeed.

Scenario: Those (A) parents that had to leave the country to give their (12) dozen of youngsters ample food to eat, decent clothes and shelter.

Mom- Who went abroad is at jeopardy for abuse and resulting depression, maybe tempted to abandon responsibility of offsprings, is at risk for infidelity
Dad- Left with the children; may be at risk for infidelity as well, longing-ness of wife may provoke incest to daughters

one or two daughters/sons may grow up to be responsible citizens but still one, two or couple more may develop rebellion cause of the lack of complete parental guidance, one or two may become drug addict, some may engage in PMS etc. and good news, there's more still all because they are devoid of informed choice.

The bill says: 'The limited resources of the country cannot be suffered to be spread so thinly to service a burgeoning multitude that makes the allocations grossly inadequate and effectively meaningless'. Perfect example is what happened recently in tondo with the victims of typhoon Gener, they were given 200 pesos by Mayor Lim. I am not insulting the efforts of the Mayor, but because of number of families, the help extended by Mayor Lim is virtually useless. What can you do with 200 pesos today?

[ghosthunter]

For me, if the Philippines passes this bill, it clearly shows that our morality has gone the way of the West---down the drain.

We are just denying the ourselves the truth of who we are. The more we deny, the more we just hurt the victims who (in the end) do not get the proper help and aid for their situation.

It is better to admit and make affirmations than keep on being hypocrites.

[hein]

if the Philippines passes this bill, it clearly shows that our morality has gone the way of the West---down the drain.

Hahaha, Down the Drain? Who's eating GARBAGE?

[explorer]

if there's anything i like INM...yung pera ng kaanib ay talagang makikita mo kung saan pumumunta...sa Catholic Church...mukha yatang di bumamalik sa charity karamihan.

BPI Top100 Stockholders ...Archdiocese of Manila is the 4th biggest shareholder with 301,063,608 shares. At P74.6/share, that would equivalent to P22.46B

tapos manghingi pa yung mga bishops ng SUV sa gov't...eh dami nilang pera.

[Monseratto]

Dumating na yung alas ng CBCP...

Arroyo arrives in Congress to vote against RH bill
By Karen Boncocan
INQUIRER.net
5:30 pm | Monday, August 6th, 2012

MANILA, Philippines—Former President and now Pampanga Representative Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo, who is out on bail for the charge of electoral sabotage, arrived at the House of Representatives in time for the voting on the debates of the controversial Reproductive Health Bill on Monday. Arroyo is a staunch opposer of the bill.

Wearing her neck brace, a deep red jacket with matching skirt, the lawmaker took her seat at the session hall.

HB 4244′s proponent, Albay Representative Edcel Lagman, said that the decision to vote on Monday instead of pushing through with the previously scheduled voting on Tuesday came after President Benigno Aquino III rallied lawmakers during a meeting the same daw to terminate the debates on the much-debated proposed measure.

He said that the President suggested that members of the House of Representatives cast a “conscience vote” on HB 4244, telling them to be brave enough to make a stand on the issue for their constituents, not give in to intimidation, and to address backlogs in the health and education systems.

Lagman said that Aquino also warned them that ignoring the issue would result in “inordinately large families” and urged them to support the idea of “children by choice, not by chance.”

CIBAC Partylist Representative Sherwin Tugna clarified that Aquino’s advice was no marching order but a suggestion for “conscience votes”.

He said that some 180 lawmakers were present during the meeting with the chief executive in Malacañang.

The party-list lawmaker estimated that some 200 members of the House of Representatives will be voting for the termination of the debates on HB 4244.

[oliver1013]

I am pro lotion, think first, then just use lotion. No more urge tapos ang problema, back to work.

[niky]

More than an economic issue, it is a moral issue. Once you promote the use of contraceptives, and the government starts to fund it, it creates a culture of promiscuity. And once you have a promiscuous nation, an abortion culture is born. Now, tell me, is killing a child permissible for all of you? It promotes selfishness because people start thinking about their own happiness, and they avoid building families because it becomes inconvenient and burdensome. What's next? Divorce?

Penultimately, it is a matter of sin. Sin is sin, and we expect the Catholic Church to condone it? If God says "Thou shall not kill," why will the Church say yes to it? Even you argue that you are pro-choice, at the end of the day, you choose your selfish motives over a life. You choose to kill a life. An innocent life. And that is something the Church will not allow.

For me, if the Philippines passes this bill, it clearly shows that our morality has gone the way of the West---down the drain.

The UN approves it because the proponent countries are the ones who have gone down this path. But look at the morality of these countries today, most, if not all of them have abandoned their Christian roots.

Take the US. If you look at their history, you can see that they started with very strong Christian values. The people who wrote their Constitution, Bill of Rights, were mostly Christians. They were the ones who put God first in their laws, in their money, and recognized the importance of freedom as God commanded. However, they have used the same freedom, abused it, and made it serve their selfish motives. They allowed for the ***ual revolution to take place in the 60s, passed the bill on abortion in the 70s, and started and went onto a moral decline henceforth. Today, they don't even want to hear the word God in their schools, and want to take out His name from their currency. But look at them today. Where is America heading with all its PAST success? Down, down, down... Its a moral wake-up call.

Who are the countries who went down this path and succeeded but now are dying countries? Western Europe. Look at them, read about them, read economic data, population data especially. With all their seeming successes, their countries are dying because population has a negative growth rate. Take Finland, Germany, etc. They need migrants to keep their nation in existence, or in a few decades or so, they will be all gone. Who will benefit from their so-called success then? There are already a great multitude from different countries, mostly Middle Eastern who are taking over their nations---that is why Islam is also growing there, and Christian churches being abandoned. But what kind of morality does Islam bring? What kind of discipline does Islam bring? What kind of society or nation does Islam build?

We take Christianity and its values for granted, but we forget that the values of freedom (especially individual freedom) came from Christianity. And now, we want to abandon it because we want our selfish desires to take precedence over its values.

When we go down this path, the gift of freedom that the Lord has given to us will become a curse. The freedom to choose not to have children will give birth to promiscuity, to promiscuity, abortion, and to abortion, a selfishness that is focused on personal happiness. No one would want to commit to responsibility anymore except for their own happiness. Divorce, therefore, is not far away then...

So what will become of us then? A selfish, and self-serving society and nation?

Its all written in history ---and some of them fairly recent history too. But we never learn our lessons well. Never. And so armed with our selfish motives, we move on and expect a different result? If only we follow God's Wisdom, God's plans, and trust His will...

Who is the enemy, therefore? Is it really the Catholic Church? Is it the church who stands by and defends God's values? The enemy is not the Church, it is us, and our own selfish desires, but we don't even want to admit it. We want to give up on God, and just give in to our desires...

As Bishop Villegas said, let government persist in its fight against corruption. Let government go the path of education, not population elimination. Education will make people understand the implications of having children without taking responsibility. Education will strengthen the work base of a nation. Education will increase the opportunity for success, if that's what we want. Even now, with our not-so-sterling level of education, we manage to export our talent, and with great appreciation by our host nations too.

There are other ways to economic success, and this is not it. Many nations may have experience some success, but it proves to us that it is not sustainable either. Worse, we come out morally bankrupt.

The idea that condoms create a culture of promiscuity is unproven. We already HAVE a culture of promiscuity, where men wantonly womanize out in the open and have as many mistresses and extra children as possible.

The cat's out of the bag. No matter how much the fundamentalists try, there's no way to bring back the puritanical era wherein people only had children in wedlock and nobody slept around. Which happened... never.

It's rose-tinted romanticism to imagine that people didn't f**k around in the old days when we were under the absolute rule of Catholic law. Condoms may affirm a promiscuous lifestyle, but they also help alleviate some of the problems of such.

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Poor people who don't use condoms and who've never seen one still copulate like rabbits and churn out dozens of kids. Hell, our grandparents did it in the roaring 30's and 50's... back before condoms became "acceptable" here. Only this time, there's no contracted world economy going into rebound, allowing those families to grow businesses to support those kids. Instead, kids nowadays are being born into a hypercompetitive job market wherein they have to spend fourteen years in school before even being able to consider employment. Fourteen years that their parents can't afford to support them through if they have seven or eight other mouths to feed.

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The Church has no right to claim moral ascendancy or that it promotes freedom. It asks absolute obedience to its rule. It tramples on the rights of non-Catholics by condemning them to hell. By saying that those who don't believe don't deserve a say or have no right under law. Instead of trying to block the bill, why not promulgate and promote a stronger Catholic reproductive health program and preach abstinence? Why not go after and publicly denounce politicians who keep mistresses? Why not denounce the corrupt? Why single out the gay and young for criticism when there are those who so blatantly break the bonds of marriage (Erap, Dolphy) yet are still lionized by this same Church? Why not expunge the bishops and priests from the ranks who receive lavish gifts such as SUVs?

We are a population of Catholics, Muslims, Protestants, Iglesians, Buddhists and various other sects. The Catholic Church alone cannot speak for the people or pretend that its own antiquated take on morality applies to all.

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The anti-RH bill movement is talking out of its ass. The RH Bill includes education. The RH Bill does not seek to force people to use artificial contraception... it merely gives people the choice of which contraceptive to use. The RH Bill is not about population control but woman empowerment. Anyone who tells you it's immoral or dangerous to give women control over their own bodies is denying women freedom. And that is something that I cannot tolerate.