Reproductive Health Bill 5043 [MERGED]

[jave]

Ok, I'll bite. Using their arguments, so what if the rate in which people have *** increases due to this?

It's still miles better than having oversized families with starving children that plow the streets being punas boys, pranksters and criminals being utilized by syndicates; that grow up to be murderers, robbers, burglars and drug addicts/pushers that prey on other innocent people trying to live their lives.

It's still miles better than tons of squatter colonies complete with criminal hideouts, drug dens, gangs, battered wives and children.

[vito corleone]

Ok, I'll bite. Using their arguments, so what if the rate in which people have *** increases due to this?

It's still miles better than having oversized families with starving children that plow the streets being punas boys, pranksters and criminals being utilized by syndicates; that grow up to be murderers, robbers, burglars and drug addicts/pushers that prey on other innocent people trying to live their lives.

It's still miles better than tons of squatter colonies complete with criminal hideouts, drug dens, gangs, battered wives and children.

+1. . .

apparently, they don't care about it. . .for them, it's simply, the bigger the population, the bigger the chance of their pews getting filled

[roninblade]

the government should get some balls and backbone and ignore the church on this matters. kaya lang naman ganito sila kalakas now is because the government bowed down to their "suggestions" in the past. it's high time for a change.

[Monseratto]

Bigyan natin naman ng benefit of the doubt. Though I think the church doesn't want to admit it issued the letter because of the backlash...

http://www.gmanews.tv/100days/story/...-rh-supporters

CBCP official denies ban on communion for RH supporters
2011-02-17 17:03:35
CARMELA LAPEÑA, GMA News

An official of the Catholic Bishops Conference of the Philippines (CBCP) denied rumors circulating on Facebook that a Catholic parish has banned supporters of the reproductive health (RH) bill from receiving Holy Communion.

Fr. Melvin Castro, Executive Secretary of the Episcopal Commission on Family Life of the CBCP, said the so-called announcement is simply agitating the people to be angry with the Catholic Church.

Castro told GMA News Online that he does not know where the announcement came from but it is definitely false.

"It only goes to show na talagang may element of deception sa pro-RH. 'Yan ang nakikita ko dito. Gusto nilang galitin ang tao sa Simbahan," said Castro.

He emphasized that only bishops can decide if such a ban will be implemented.

"At this point there is no need for that. Majority of the legislators and supporters of the RH bill have heard the apparent good things, they are acting out of goodwill and ignorance of the details," he said.

Fabricated statement?

Meanwhile, when asked if the supposed announcement could have been fabricated by pro-RH advocates, Benjamin de Leon, president of the Forum for Family Life and Development (FFLD), said it was unlikely.

De Leon said advocates of the bill are focused on issues, not personalities.

According to him, whoever was the author of the letter "has been very irresponsible."

Still, he said it was good that such an announcement came out.

"It gives signals to the Church that they cannot take their flock for granted, discerning and enlightened Catholics," he said.

"What we believe is a couple or an individual who wants to practice family planning should be given the right information as well as the methods of contraception, including natural family planning. It is their decision, not the government's nor the Church's," he said, adding that neither the Forum nor the RH bill advocate abortion.

De Leon told GMA News Online that he received the announcement via e-mail from FFLD vice president and former Health Secretary Alberto Romualdez.

Romualdez said he forwarded the announcement after receiving it from former POPCOM commissioner Lito Sandejas, who sent it to their Ateneo Yahoo groups address.

GMA News Online learned about the false announcement through investigative journalist Marites Vitug's Facebook page, which published it and urged her friends to "read and be angry."

Meanwhile, the Santuario de San Jose Parish in East Greenhills, Mandaluyong City, has denied posting the announcement about the supposed ban on communion for RH supporters.

"Nagulat nga kami na may ganyan. Hindi kami basta bastang maglalabas ng ganyan, kung meron eh di ginegera na kami dito," parish secretary Ella Dula told GMA News.

[Monseratto]

Though nakaposted na ito sa "Toughest place to be a Bus Driver" thread, this is probably the best eyeopener regarding the church's opposition regarding the RH bill...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN-EHhG_fw8]Toughest place to be a Bus Driver (Part 3 of 6) [/ame]

A couple living with 13 children. Total 15 people live in a home measuring 6 foot square. A family of 12 to 15 are common in Manila slums. The wife gave birth to her first child at the age of 14. She since have been giving birth, sometimes twice a year. " I didn't know anything about family planning before. And now that life is starting to be difficult..." Contraceptives are not provided free and people in this situation cannot afford them.

[cjv_justice]

eto pa isa o...

http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http...-stand&h=183a6

[kitsons]

eto pa isa o...

http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http...-stand&h=183a6

These reference materials can round one off to a better perspective of how lies are being peddled.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9yVmd99qDw&feature=player_embedded"]YouTube - Thrilla' in Manila[/ame]


3 ONLINE BOOKS AND 22 ARTICLES
DEBUNKING THE OVERPOPULATION MYTH:

(ALSO, SASSONE'S "HANDBOOK ON POPULATION" CLASSIC
AGAINST POPULATION CONTROL INCLUDED AS WORD FILE ATTACHMENT)


1. THE POPULATION IMPLOSION.
http://catholiceducation.org/article...on/pc0029.html

2. THE POPULATION DUD.
http://catholiceducation.org/article...on/pc0035.html

3. THE GLOBAL BABY BUST.
http://www.catholiceducation.org/art...ion/pc0044.htm

4. THE ULTIMATE RESOURCE 2: PEOPLE, MATERIALS AND ENVIRONMENT.
http://www.juliansimon.com/writings/Ultimate_Resource/

5. POWER AND POPULATION IN ASIA
http://www.hoover.org/publications/p...w/article/6298


6. DRUNKEN NATION: RUSSIA'S DEPOPULATION BOMB.
http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/a...Eberstadt.html


7. RUSSIA'S GREAT LEAP DOWNWARDS.
http://www.securityaffairs.org/issue...stadt&shah.php

8. WORLD POPULATION COLLAPSE: LESSONS FOR THE PHILIPPINES.
http://www.lifeissues.net/writers/ga...ncollapse.html

9. OVERPOPULATION?
http://www.lifeissues.net/writers/ka...opulation.html

10. THE KISSINGER REPORT- 2004 A RETROSPECTIVE ON NSSM 200.
http://www.lifeissues.net/writers/cl...eport_2004.pdf

11. TOO MANY PEOPLE?
http://catholiceducation.org/article...on/pc0001.html

12. TOO MANY PEOPLE? NOT BY A LONG SHOT.
http://catholiceducation.org/article...on/pc0012.html

13. THE BOMB THAT FIZZLED.
http://catholiceducation.org/article...on/pc0013.html

14. THE BARRENNESS OF SUCCESS.
http://catholiceducation.org/article...on/pc0026.html

15. THE POPULATION BOMB THAT FIZZLED.
http://catholiceducation.org/article...on/pc0028.html

16. OUR VANISHING ULTIMATE RESOURCE.
http://www.catholiceducation.org/art...ion/pc0046.htm

17. ECOLOGY AND POPULATION.
PART 1: http://www.lifeissues.net/writers/va...3ecology1.html
PART 2: http://www.lifeissues.net/writers/va...3ecology2.html

18. PHILIPPINES' PRO-LIFE OPTION VINDICATED.
http://www.lifeissues.net/writers/va...ographics.html

19. A NEW PARADIGM FOR DEMOGRAPHY.
http://www.lifeissues.net/writers/va...wparadigm.html

20. WHERE HAVE ALL THE CHILDREN GONE?
http://catholiceducation.org/article...on/pc0039.html

21. FOUR SURPRISES IN GLOBAL DEMOGRAPHY
http://www.actualidadeconomica-peru....art_oct_07.pdf

22. SCARCITY OR ABUNDANCE? A DEBATE ON THE ENVIRONMENT.
http://www.juliansimon.com/writings/Norton/

23. IT'S (PAST) TIME TO END POPULATION CONTROL.
http://www.catholicculture.org/cultu...earchid=662520

24. OUR DEMOGRAPHIC WINTER....40 YEARS AFTER HUMANAE VITAE.
http://www.catholicculture.org/cultu...earchid=662520

25. EXCERPTS FROM STEVEN MOSHER'S LATEST BOOK AGAINST POPULATION CONTROL (2008), IN FIVE PARTS:
PART 1: http://www.pop.org/content/white-pestilence-808
PART 2: http://www.pop.org/content/malthusian-delusion-816
PART 3: http://www.pop.org/content/chinese-model-817
PART 4: http://www.pop.org/content/case-nigeria-818
PART 5: http://www.pop.org/content/human-rig...ive-wrongs-819

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http://www.lifeissues.net/writers/ir...entupdate.html

[marg]

YouTube - Thrilla' in Manila

"The bishops in EUROPE and the US barely make a pip against Contraception, unlike the Filipino bishops" at 5:45 on the video.

Well said.

TRYING HARD kasi mga pari dito sa Pinas, wala na nga makain mga pulubi, anak pa rin ng anak.

Even in Italy, where the Vatican is located, they had their RH bill approved in 1970.

[Monseratto]

Hope our lawmakers hurry up with the RH bill. Everyday the bill is delayed is a win for the so-called moral ascendancy of the church. Funny how the church gets guest speakers from countries where the right to choose is prevelant and respected... When the video grouped Satan with the center for Reproductive Rights and Planned Parenthood, expected na the rest of the video is biased and garbage.

[marg]

The RH bill does not promote abortion. It encourages responsible parenthood and gives poor women access to information and government assistance on reproductive health – things that are available to women with education and financial means. The less privileged who are deprived of such access – overseas workers, maids, and impoverished mothers who feel they already have one too many children – are the ones who resort to clandestine abortions. They are the ones who abandon their unwanted newborns in airplane lavatories, the Pasig River and, yes, at the doorsteps of churches.

Rich and educated women do not need the RH bill; they know all the choices available to them, including the correct way to practice the rhythm method. They can buy any form of contraceptive they want, for themselves and their mates, regardless of the teachings of their faith. The RH bill is for the poor, and many of them won’t wait for the President to make up his mind on the measure. They will simply continue to procreate, and worry about how to get rid of the baby later. The Philippine Star. February 15, 2011

[JackFlash]

The church and its fanatics should answer this simple question: What is the bigger sin? To allow a couple to have a choice on how to determine the size of their family or to allow them to keep having children who'll end up as street beggars, glue sniffers, pickpockets or *** slaves?

Yup, it's high time that the RH Bill gets passed already.

[marg]

The church and its fanatics should answer this simple question: What is the bigger sin? To allow a couple to have a choice on how to determine the size of their family or to allow them to keep having children who'll end up as street beggars, glue sniffers, pickpockets or *** slaves?

Poor Beggars in downtown Manila.

So destitute, they cannot afford slippers. But they buy sniffing Glue with the coins that they get from begging.

[uls]

Boyfriend shoots pregnant GF inside Manila campus

abs-cbnNEWS.com
Posted at 03/05/2011 2:33 PM | Updated as of 03/05/2011 2:33 PM

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/me...-manila-campus

kung nag condom sana yung lalake, or nag pills yung babae, di sana pinag aawayan ang abortion

[docgorio]

Heard from my girlfriend that a celebrity posted this in a blog:

"Who are they to dictate on what we will do in the privacy of our bedrooms?"

[vito corleone]

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/me...-manila-campus

kung nag condom sana yung lalake, or nag pills yung babae, di sana pinag aawayan ang abortion

haha, right on

but cbcp doesn't look at it that way. . .para sa kanila, this incident is about murder and suicide so di makakarating sa langit yung lalaki

[ghosthunter]

http://www.gmanews.tv/story/215358/n...he-inquisition

[SIZE="4"]Priest likens Church pressure vs RH bill to the Inquisition[/SIZE]
CANDICE MONTENEGRO, GMA News
03/16/2011 | 01:33 AM

Amid the Catholic bishops' strong opposition to the Reproductive Health (RH) bill, one of the clergy's leading intellectuals has a different view on the controversial measure, saying that attempts of some members of the Church to dissuade the public from supporting the bill is "reminiscent of the Inquisition."

In a recent blog entry, Jesuit priest Fr. Joaquin Bernas, S.J., said a sector of the Church is giving Catholic religion a bad name by trying to impose Catholic beliefs on everyone. He wrote about the "furor" over the Barangay Ayala Alabang ordinance that, among others, requires a doctor's prescription when buying artificial contraception like condoms.

Bernas, Dean Emeritus of the Ateneo Law School, a law degree holder and a prominent constitutionalist, noted the technicalities of the Ayala Alabang ordinance. He says, for example, that Republic Act 5921 or an Act Regulating the Practice of Pharmacy, on which the ordinance is based, regulates only the actions of pharmacists and not the activity of buyers of pharmaceutical goods.

However, he pointed out that these are "technical matters that can easily be verified." He said it is "more eerily fundamental" that the situation seems to be an attempt by a sector of the Catholic Church to instrumentalize the power of the state to impose Catholic belief on all others.

"[W]hen it comes to contraception, the nation divides mainly along religious lines," he said. "The official Catholic teaching is that artificial contraception is immoral. Other religions believe in good faith otherwise."

"Seeking to impose Catholic belief and practices on non-Catholics and others violates freedom of religion," he said.

In another blog entry, Bernas said he is not going against the teaching of the Church, citing a provision in the Vatican II declaration entitled "Dignitatis Humanae" (Latin for "Of the dignity of the human person") that supports a person's right to religious freedom.

The provision says a person has a right to religious freedom, which means all men "are to be immune from coercion on the part of individuals or of social groups and of any human power, in such wise that no one is to be forced to act in a manner contrary to his own beliefs, whether privately or publicly, whether alone or in association with others, within due limits."

In July 2010, Bernas co-authored talking points for Dialogue on the RH Bill with Fr. Eric Genilo, S.J. and Fr. John Carroll, S.J. In it he expressed that a "critical and constructive engagement" is necessary between the bill proponents and the Church so that the debate is not focused only on whether the RH bill should be passed or rejected.

The paper argued that even if the majority of the population of the country are Catholics, the democratic system should ensure that "public policies are not determined solely by majority vote but also by a careful consideration of the common good of all, including non-Catholics."

The paper also pointed out that it is the duty of various religions to "teach their faithful and form their consciences about what their religious tradition allows and prohibits with regard to family planning," while the government should provide information and training for both natural and artificial methods of family planning.

"Consciences will thus be better equipped to make informed choices according to their religious traditions," it said.

Bernas et al. wrote that everyone needs to come to a consensus for the common good, adding that the freedom of conscience of every Filipino – whether Catholic or non-Catholic – must be respected.

Speaking from the other side of the RH bill divide, however, Archbishop Emeritus Oscar Cruz said freedom of choice is not absolute, and people are only free to do what is right and not what is wrong.

In an interview with GMA News Online, Cruz said he does not agree with Bernas when the latter said imposing Catholic beliefs on everyone is a violation of freedom of religion.

"In fact, this is not a teaching based on Catholic faith but based on natural law and based on reason," he said. "The arguments being propounded by the CBCP (Catholics Bishops' Conference of the Philippines) against the RH bill are because of the teachings of nature and reason, not because of Catholicism."

He cited for example the Ten Commandments, where it states that one should not kill, steal or covet one's wife. "Huwag mong sabihin na sa Katoliko lang 'yun. It is carried by the Catholic Church but it applies to everyone," he said. (Don't tell me that it only applies to Catholics. It is carried by the Catholic Church but it applies to everyone.)

Cruz said he fears that priests like Bernas who rally behind RH bill advocates will promote the emergence of more "eclectic Catholics" who only follow teachings of the Church that they want to follow and are "convenient" for them.

"We have a good number of people who are eclectic Catholics, which is a pity because [they] are neither here nor there," he said, adding that some priests are also becoming that way.

Cruz likened members of religious orders who believe in the RH bill to the apostle Judas who betrayed Jesus.

"Sa labindalawang apostol, may isang Hudas. Sa dami-dami naming mga pari eh meron ding nagtataksil," he said. (Among the twelve apostles, there is one Judas. Out of many priests, there are also a few who betray.)

Cruz did not say which religious order he is referring to.

"I can't imagine why they would support the RH bill," he added. "Kung nagpari ka pa, mamimili ka ng gusto mong doktrina pero 'di mo susundin ang mga itinuturo niyo, cheap na cheap naman 'yon." (If you entered priesthood and picked this doctrine but do not follow its teachings, that's really too cheap.)—JV, GMA News

http://www.gmanews.tv/story/215358/n...he-inquisition

[jave]

Sorry if I resurrected this, but the article is just insane.

Irregardless of the RH bill, does anybody still have any respect for Oscar Cruz with words like those? Seriously? Comparing a fellow clergy to Judas Iscariot?

They do not sound like the words coming out from a clergyman. They sound like mudslinging from a politician.

"Archbishop" Oscar Cruz, you are a disgrace to the teachings of Jesus about humility.

[hein]

Irregardless of the RH bill, does anybody still have any respect for Oscar Cruz with words like those? Seriously? Comparing a fellow clergy to Judas Iscariot?

They do not sound like the words coming out from a clergyman. They sound like mudslinging from a politician.

"Archbishop" Oscar Cruz, you are a disgrace to the teachings of Jesus about humility.

Cracks within the church.

[Stoner]

Cruz likened members of religious orders who believe in the RH bill to the apostle Judas who betrayed Jesus.

This, coming from the Pharisees of our time.

[jave]

Oh, eto. Managed to overhear more BS from an anti-RH person interviewed by TV Patrol.

"Hindi problema ang populasyon, kundi ang corrupsyon."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! What kind of drug is he smoking? Oh, the delusions.