People Power 4 - Sasama ka ba sa EDSA??

[Alpha_One]

This comment is based on my experience with EDSA 1. What I mean is that majority of the people went because of blind obedience to the Catholic Church, for curiosity sake, because they wanted to be part of history etc. etc. Majority did not go because they are fighting for a cause.

Yes I was at EDSA 1, I even have a rounded barbed wire with yellow ribbon as a souvenir. I, along with my friends and relatives both here and in the province went so that we can relate to others a historic ocassion. So that if someone idiotic ask me later on if I was at EDSA I, obviously YES.

If people toppled a president through people power the first time expect a second, third, fourth and many more to come.

Now making unholy comments on someones opinion is more idiotic!

Well, there's a vital difference between what EDSA 1 was and what EDSA 4, if it happens, will turn out to be.

EDSA 1, even though many people may not have known what the "cause" was, toppled a 20-year dictatorship and allowed the country to move on, even if just a bit.

EDSA 4 will be a desperate attempt for communists, political has-beens (Cory, Ramos, Guingona, etc.) and opportunists to grab power.

In extremely short form:

EDSA 1 - toppling of a dictatorship.
EDSA 4 - power grab.

[niky]

Hopefully Kris won't be one of those faces we see in 2010....

Kung maghuhubad si Kris Aquino sa EDSA Shrine...well' baka mag-isip pa akong pumunta sa EDSA.....

Really? Kris stripping? The Horror!

This comment is based on my experience with EDSA 1. What I mean is that majority of the people went because of blind obedience to the Catholic Church, for curiosity sake, because they wanted to be part of history etc. etc. Majority did not go because they are fighting for a cause.

Yes I was at EDSA 1, I even have a rounded barbed wire with yellow ribbon as a souvenir. I, along with my friends and relatives both here and in the province went so that we can relate to others a historic ocassion. So that if someone idiotic ask me later on if I was at EDSA I, obviously YES.

If people toppled a president through people power the first time expect a second, third, fourth and many more to come.

Now making unholy comments on someones opinion is more idiotic!

But extrapolating the reason why you were there to cover everyone who was is even more so... the first people at EDSA weren't there to usyoso (though I don't doubt some came later) and it didn't turn into a circus until after a few days. I was too young to go at that time, but I remember it well. We were prevented from going by our elders because they were afraid of what was happening.

There are people who went who actually understood what was at stake, and what could have happened to them, but they went anyway. I don't think it's fair to say that those people only went for a concert or because they were told to.

Look at this EDSA IV... same faces, same people calling out for "good Catholics" to come out, but are they going? You can use the "Catholic" button only if the people believe in the issue at hand... of course, by now everyone is tired of the whole thing.

I'm half tempted to go, because Mrs. Arroyo is acting like a tiny Hitler... but I can't stomach the idea of marching with the leftists (I'm from UP) or the opposition.

As for EDSA II, I'll hold any opinion on why other people were there to myself. I went for a while just because I was pissed off at Erap's cronies, and nothing more. I didn't expect anything to come of it, and I was surprised that something did.

I know we're an "usyosero" culture, but give some of us credit for actually caring, please.

[IPSG_SlimShady]

Actually, more people went to see the WWE Wrestling Mania at the Araneta than at the Edsa or Ayala rallies. That's a clear sign that people are tired with the same old rallies.

[IPSG_SlimShady]

And if I may add further - if there were financiers "again" who paid those people who attended yesterday's rally, then he gave away money for nothing because the rally yesterday did not achieve anything.

[konde]

And if I may add further - if there were financiers "again" who paid those people who attended yesterday's rally, then he gave away money for nothing because the rally yesterday did not achieve anything.

except to mess up the traffic in the metropolis!

[ryan]

And if I may add further - if there were financiers "again" who paid those people who attended yesterday's rally, then he gave away money for nothing because the rally yesterday did not achieve anything.

Mismong mga photographers na nagcover ng ESDA/Santolan rally last Friday nagsabi na may nag-aabutan daw ng pera. Kaya daw mabasa lang ng konti, nagsialisan kaagad karamihan. Di mo ren sobra masisi yung mga mahirap na sumali kahit di sila pabor sa intentions ng rally na yun actually, cuz buti pa kumita para may makain instead of nakatambay lang.

However, about yung pictures daw of police brutality na may binabatukan, markado na pala yung mga tao na yun. According to the same photographers, sila raw usually mga nambabato at tinatandaan daw sila ng mga police n pag naabutan, eh di yari! So much for the "peaceful" rally (as quoted by their leaders) I guess. Aside from hinarang nila yung main thoroughfare to the city (EDSA) causing inconvenience to everybody & stopping the economy, nambabato pa .

[KrisKros]

If you want to make a change in the government. GO OUT THERE N VOTE! By not voting, it's like you're saying, "bahala kayo!" N then when the president isn't doing the job, or you feel you're being robbed, THEN ppl want to voice out their opinion n make some action. For me, for the ppl that didnt vote, they have no say, and their opinion doesn't matter to me, they didnt care about the elections, and now they want a change in government. Sorry to sound rude or offensive, but it's the truth.

Plz make sure we all vote! That's the loudest action you can make.

[Isuzoom]

ball sheet! anong karapatan ni junggoy?

[compact]

People Power is a national pride, but also a curse—a Pandora's Box that, in the minds of many, should be permanently welded shut.

Timeasia Magazine

[compact]

But extrapolating the reason why you were there to cover everyone who was is even more so... the first people at EDSA weren't there to usyoso (though I don't doubt some came later) and it didn't turn into a circus until after a few days. I was too young to go at that time, but I remember it well. We were prevented from going by our elders because they were afraid of what was happening.

Check my post again. I said majority, that is 50+1 and not every one.... again to quote timeasia magazine. People power is a curse... you have to live with it.

[niky]

Check my post again. I said majority, that is 50+1 and not every one.... again to quote timeasia magazine. People power is a curse... you have to live with it.

If you change that to "the majority of those who came later on..." maybe I'd agree.

I agree "People Power" is a curse. It's a curse because it fools you into thinking something fundamental will change after the event. But nothing ever does.

But standing up for what you believe in... the first time around... that was worth something. And for the people who first answered the call, when it still seemed like there was a chance of death or detainment, saying or suggesting that EDSA I was merely a baratilyo or a concert is demeaning their accomplishment.

[EL Chicane]

EDSA People Power is like a JOKE, it is only good the first time around.

[niky]

EDSA People Power is like a JOKE, it is only good the first time around.

That's true actually. During EDSA II, we didn't really think of it as People Power... it's only when certain politicians saw the opportunity, they grabbed it and descended upon the EDSA Shrine in droves... nakaka-turn-off nga. At the start, it was just a protest and a show of support for the inquisition team that was shot down in an unjustifiable manner in the Senate... it was only later on that it turned into the brouhaha that ousted ERAP.

I distinctly remember some boos when we saw Gloria at EDSA II. That's the point at which some people realized that the politicians were going to use us as an excuse for regime change.

I was flabbergasted when Erap actually stepped down. And I was skeptical at the steps the Lakas coalition took to put GMA in, as it skirted the edge of constitutionality. Nobody much protested after the fact, because they were happy to have a half-way competent president again.

But nowadays, my opinion on the competence of Mrs. Arroyo is very low. If she can't handle the media like the smooth-talker Ramos, the House (despite her majority) or even the Army (without Tabako's support), then she isn't quite cut out for the job.

[BoyFerrari]

I was flabbergasted when Erap actually stepped down. And I was skeptical at the steps the Lakas coalition took to put GMA in, as it skirted the edge of constitutionality. Nobody much protested after the fact, because they were happy to have a half-way competent president again.

That was Erap's biggest mistake. He resigned. If he held on, the Supreme Court would not have had any reason to declare the constitutionality of Arroyo as the new president. There was a military coup at that time, led by Angelo Reyes the traitor (kaya ngayon hindi maka-alis si Angelo Reyes sa buntot ni GMA), but obviously not everyone in the military is anti-Erap. And the military obviously cannot forcibly touch him dahil siguradong magra-riot yung mga Class C masa supporters niya. He could have barricaded himself and the constitution would have been at his side. I never voted for Erap, but he fairly had a good chance to legally insist his presidency.

But he resigned. And Arroyo learned something from his blunder, so she will not resign.

[nugundam93]

well...they did help the gas stations. napa-gas tuloy ako ng malaki kahapon coz i was expecting horrendous traffic en route to work. :lol:

[niky]

well...they did help the gas stations. napa-gas tuloy ako ng malaki kahapon coz i was expecting horrendous traffic en route to work. :lol:

My uncle once said EDSA was good for business at their restaurant (Barrio Fiesta... formerly on EDSA opposite Camp Aguinaldo).

[delprado]

... I hope na matapos na tong kaguluhan sa Pilipinas. Pero, mukhang malabo dahil the problem is not just Gloria herself. Kawawa ang mga taong nagpupursige na maibangon sana ang bansa (ie. mostly midlle at upper middle class) na sadyang tinitiis na manatili sa pinas. Sana hindi mapagod itong mga taong to na maibangon ang bansa natin... Sa mga masa naman, sana mag-isip isip naman sila... bawas-bawasan na yang anak ng anak na di naman kayang alagaan..dinadagdagan lang nila ang paghihirap ng bayan. Sana magsipag sa buhay na ang masa..kasi kahit yumaman man ang bansa natin at tamad ka pa rin ang tao..lalo lang din maghihirap ang mga tamad sa bayan... *#$%..tama na to, kumukulo ang dugo ko pag naiisip ko ang mga dahilang kung bakit nagkakaganun ang bansa...tsk..tsk..tsk...

[larshell]

AFAIK, Hindi yata nag resign si ERAP lagi ko nadidinig sa kanya yon pag-interview sya.
Sabi rin yan Justice Pamaran.

Now dun sa question na Sasama ka ba sa EDSA. Basta si CORY na ang nagyaya ng People Power SASAMA ko, kung gusto ng wife ko sama rin sya.

[BoyFerrari]

AFAIK, Hindi yata nag resign si ERAP lagi ko nadidinig sa kanya yon pag-interview sya.

Nito lang niya napag-isip-isip yun after na kwentuhan siya ng analysis ng mga legal supporters niya. But during that time, he never came out in the open to declare publicly that he never resigned. In fact, Congress never objected the Supreme Court ruling if it is true that they never received any resignation letter from Erap.

If there were legal lapses that happened during that time, it has already been overtaken by events kaya wala na rin siyang habol.

[niky]

The truth of the matter is Erap never officially vacated the post... just like Marcos never "resigned", but the physical abandonment of the Palace created the same effect.

Legally, he never did, but it became de facto because he fled Malacañang Palace. Stupid move, politically, on his part.

*compact: Sorry, bro, kung ina-away-away kita dun... I just don't like being identified with the "usyuseros" who populated a lot of the "People Powers" in the past... Medyo mali lang ang dating sa akin ng mga posts mo before. Peace.