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    Quote Originally Posted by safeorigin View Post
    The constitution protects freedom to profess faith. What it doesn't allow is endorsing state religion or giving a particular religion special treatment.

    The congress exists so that people can be represented and the minority isn't marginalized. What it doesn't allow is marginalizing the rest and rendering others as second class citizens.




    Vox populi is dangerous. Just because INC represents a huge voting bloc doesn't mean it can have perks over non-INC. Hence why we're a Republic and not a pure democracy.

    There's so much wrong in government these days...



    Even the congress was sold? So everything in the Philippines is for sale if the price is right? Or was it that the poor desperate congressman is in bad need of votes for him to run his personal agenda

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    Quote Originally Posted by jick.cejoco View Post
    Even the congress was sold? So everything in the Philippines is for sale if the price is right? Or was it that the poor desperate congressman is in bad need of votes for him to run his personal agenda
    I think, all of thr above Sir Jick.

    99.99% of politicians are germs in the government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jick.cejoco View Post
    Even the congress was sold? So everything in the Philippines is for sale if the price is right? Or was it that the poor desperate congressman is in bad need of votes for him to run his personal agenda
    Yan ang totoo,maybe that congressman is aspiring for a higher office,imagine pag nakumbinsi mo INM ,para kang nag top grosser sa filmfest

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    ^

    Ay wag naman sa quirino grandstand sir matraffic na nga roxas boulevard ngayon sa ginagawang kalsada. Sa stadium na lang nila sa bulacan.


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    Ang putaragis na gobyerno naten bakit hinahayaan mga ganyan.

    Sabagay laking bagay ng block voting ng mga kapatid.




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    Quote Originally Posted by cast_no_shadow View Post
    Ang putaragis na gobyerno naten bakit hinahayaan mga ganyan.

    Sabagay laking bagay ng block voting ng mga kapatid.




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    Hindi naman nananalo ang mga kandidato ng INM sa mga local elections. Not sure lang how it affects the national positions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boybi View Post
    Hindi naman nananalo ang mga kandidato ng INM sa mga local elections. Not sure lang how it affects the national positions.
    Sir sa baranggay elections sureball na sila kapag karamihan nang tao INC. Sa local malaking bagay din na makuha mo support nila. National election na lang hindi pa sila swing vote na matuturing imho.

    Ganyan sila katindi, pera-pera talaga kapag election. Bato-bato sa langit, tamaan huwag magalit kasi totoo naman talaga eh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ry_Tower View Post
    Sir sa baranggay elections sureball na sila kapag karamihan nang tao INC. Sa local malaking bagay din na makuha mo support nila. National election na lang hindi pa sila swing vote na matuturing imho.

    Ganyan sila katindi, pera-pera talaga kapag election. Bato-bato sa langit, tamaan huwag magalit kasi totoo naman talaga eh.
    Dito sa amin Tomboy ang nanalong Mayor. Guest what Endorsed sya ng INC during the last local election.

    Highest bidder eh, kaya kahit kontra sa turo nila eh sige lang pera din yan.

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    Merong bang statistics ng mga national candidate na sinuportahan ng INC at napaupo sa pwesto vs sa kalabang pulitico? At kung nakabuti ba sa pinas.

    sample Manila Mayoral candidates: Erap vs Lim
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manilablock View Post
    Merong bang statistics ng mga national candidate na sinuportahan ng INC at napaupo sa pwesto vs sa kalabang pulitico? At kung nakabuti ba sa pinas.

    sample Manila Mayoral candidates: Erap vs Lim
    Sa customs, bir & immigration ay maraming silang kaanib. Judge for yourself these agencies performance to answer your question.

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    Ang tingnan nyo yung mismong bahay nila.. At mga kaanib... Eh halos naman lahat ng agensia ng gobyerno eh bulok....

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    Kung ratio lang ang paguusapan Sigurado mas madaming catoliko sa customs bir immigration...

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    Quote Originally Posted by glenn manikis View Post
    Kung ratio lang ang paguusapan Sigurado mas madaming catoliko sa customs bir immigration...

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    eh natural, catholic nation itong pinas, parang sinabi mo na mas maraming gagong Chinese sa China kesa Pilipino

    hinde rin ako naniniwala na swing vote sila. lagi naman playing safe ang INC yun last stretch na ng campaign saka nila sinasabi kung sino endorsed nila which most often than not eh sigurado na rin talaga kahit walang endorsement from them. what I want to see to prove their vaunted so called block voting eh sa start pa lang sabihin na nila. yun umpisa pa lang talaga.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shadow View Post
    eh natural, catholic nation itong pinas, parang sinabi mo na mas maraming gagong Chinese sa China kesa Pilipino

    hinde rin ako naniniwala na swing vote sila. lagi naman playing safe ang INC yun last stretch na ng campaign saka nila sinasabi kung sino endorsed nila which most often than not eh sigurado na rin talaga kahit walang endorsement from them. what I want to see to prove their vaunted so called block voting eh sa start pa lang sabihin na nila. yun umpisa pa lang talaga.
    nadala na sila dati kay danding...

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    ready na pala yung PHL ARENA by july. 55k seating capacity.

    ang uaap ata "binabalak" gawin ang dlsu-admu games. pwede, kaso napakalayo. bocaue pa.

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    In case it had not been posted before, here's an interesting write-up by one who has grown up within the group.

    From: INC and the mentality of exclusivity

    INC and the mentality of exclusivity
    A young member of the Iglesia Ni Cristo questions the teachings she has grown up with

    Malaya dela Cruz*


    Published 12:00 PM, Aug 14, 2014
    Updated 9:54 PM, Aug 14, 2014
    I’ve been an Iglesia Ni Cristo (INC) member since I was born and my father is a minister. My siblings and I were raised to behold as absolute truth all doctrines without question. As kids, we’re brazen to tell our friends “Mag-Iglesia ka na kundi mapupunta ka sa dagat-dagatang apoy.” (Convert to Iglesia; otherwise, you'll end up in hell)

    We’re flying with wings of righteousness holding the light to guide those lost in the darkness, we call sanlibutan; completely convinced that we’re indeed the chosen ones come judgment day. All we have to do is follow like sheep and salvation is certain. This is my myopic reality.

    Into the darkness

    Coming of age, I learned our creationist view is indubitably wrong given the insurmountable evidences against it, yet I find this mistake tolerable; assuming perhaps a scientifically-informed interpretation of the bible isn’t necessary for salvation. I was indifferent about this just as I am in overriding any of my rights for the sake of unity; trusting that it’s always for the good of the church.

    What became unbearable is having my consciousness raised about the multi-dimensional causes of poverty. I cannot unlearn what I know now - that the terrible social realities we dismiss right before our eyes as normal is caused by injustice from existing power structures in society.

    It was alarming for I was undeniably guilty of being part of a church responsible for reinforcing structures that sustain poverty through our social attitude and practice of ‘unity.’

    We are INC first before we are Filipinos

    It is our faith, albeit fatalistic, that the world will inevitably perish and no developmental agenda by man could prevent it; we are only travelers here for our true residence is the kingdom of heaven. Hence, we resign concern about matters outside our kingdom unless it might undermine doctrines or the church administration.

    We show power in numbers through bloc-voting and secure key positions in the government in order to protect the interests of the church, never mind whether it’s a corrupt official as long as the church is secured. This is why INC was indifferent during the People Power I despite all the atrocious harm done towards the Filipino people - all because we allied with former president Ferdinand Marcos, the dictator.



    Culture of apathy

    Since our primary concern is the good of the church and not of the people in general, an apathetic attitude towards social issues is fostered among members.

    We’re prohibited to participate in any form of social mobilization or unions because it’s against the unity of the church, even if such actions addresses concerns that directly affect the welfare of members.

    Greedy corporations who operate with inhumane policies are fortunate as INC members are willing allies to preserve an unfair system. We abstain claiming accountability from power-holders in the name of ‘peace.’ - a peace that is oblivious of its implications.

    Yes, we’re an obedient flock of docile sheep but we’re also subtle criminals and dignified perpetrators of injustices against our fellowmen. With brilliant pride we take the side of the oppressors.

    Our brand of humanitarianism

    The provision of generous aid to millions of non-members through medical missions, relief distributions and housing projects are token gestures, for “conversion” is our utmost motivation by exploiting the sense of utang na loob (debt of gratitude).

    INC’s brand of humanitarianism does not involve championing the interest and welfare of the poor by addressing root causes of social issues. Our humanitarian cause is the 'noblest' of all: to save your soul from damnation by converting you to the one true Church of Christ.

    Masters of mobilization

    We’re taught that hardships and misfortunes in life are either caused by sin or are trials we must endure. However, evidence suggests that societal structures and how its citizens participate in shaping it in the course of history is the concrete reason for the everyday struggles of today. Poverty is avoidable, development is a choice.

    The public witnessed INC’s power to amass more than a million people in its administrations’ behest. If the church could use its clout to truly help the nation by addressing long term needs and root causes of perennial social issues – such as lobbying and supporting genuine agrarian reform, a fair wage and other issues that affect the marginalized majority, where many of its own members come from, we shall contribute to societal change.

    Aren't we humans first?

    My conscience is disturbed when I saw my fellow brethren exalte upon news of famine, war, destruction and calamities where thousands of people lay dead. Some even said, “Makasalanan kasi ang sanlibutan, matuwa tayo dahil nalalapit ang kaligtasan natin.” (The people are sinful. We should be happy because our salvation is near.) They seem to forget we’re humans first before we even subscribe to any religion.

    Design of the Philippine Arena
    Design of the Philippine Arena

    'Saving your soul' as a single mission is quite selfish in the face of human suffering. I understand it stems from fear and existential uncertainties, but It’s wrong to choose a convenient personal escape and say “kung gusto niyo rin maligtas, umanib na kayo” (if you want to be saved, join us) instead of engaging in collective action driven by empathy and compassion.

    We glory over the Philippine Arena, Guinness records, and the thousands of congregations we’ve built like the elite ruler gloating over his empire.

    There is harm in a mentality of exclusivity when we operate in the context of a larger society. Imagining a fragmented reality wherein we are only travelers goes against the truth that we have a responsibility to contribute and cooperate in facilitating change in the world. We can do this by renouncing apathy and using our power to mobilize for the good of people. - Rappler.com

    *Malaya dela Cruz is a pseudonym. Rappler verified the identity of the writer, who asked her real name be concealed for her protection. She is a university student.

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    She gets my vote... at the end, it is not entirely about beliefs and prayers but how you are in life towards and with those around you.
    Last edited by vinj; August 15th, 2014 at 09:33 AM.

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    Kapatid malaya.....lagot ka.

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    Comment lang kay Malaya, don't you think the Catholic Church has the bigger responsibility? Doesn't a good INC member equate to a good citizen? Religion should teach you how to be a good person as a whole.


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    you don't need religion to have morals. if you can't determine right from wrong then you lack empathy, not religion.

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    Looks like there's a rift within INC higher ups. Suggestions of kidnappings and possibly even murders?! Sino kaya ang maililigtas sa kanila?!

    Iglesia ni Cristo's Manalos say lives 'in danger'

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