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    Quote Originally Posted by shadow View Post
    eh natural, catholic nation itong pinas, parang sinabi mo na mas maraming gagong Chinese sa China kesa Pilipino

    hinde rin ako naniniwala na swing vote sila. lagi naman playing safe ang INC yun last stretch na ng campaign saka nila sinasabi kung sino endorsed nila which most often than not eh sigurado na rin talaga kahit walang endorsement from them. what I want to see to prove their vaunted so called block voting eh sa start pa lang sabihin na nila. yun umpisa pa lang talaga.
    nadala na sila dati kay danding...

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    #202
    ready na pala yung PHL ARENA by july. 55k seating capacity.

    ang uaap ata "binabalak" gawin ang dlsu-admu games. pwede, kaso napakalayo. bocaue pa.

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    #203
    In case it had not been posted before, here's an interesting write-up by one who has grown up within the group.

    From: INC and the mentality of exclusivity

    INC and the mentality of exclusivity
    A young member of the Iglesia Ni Cristo questions the teachings she has grown up with

    Malaya dela Cruz*


    Published 12:00 PM, Aug 14, 2014
    Updated 9:54 PM, Aug 14, 2014
    I’ve been an Iglesia Ni Cristo (INC) member since I was born and my father is a minister. My siblings and I were raised to behold as absolute truth all doctrines without question. As kids, we’re brazen to tell our friends “Mag-Iglesia ka na kundi mapupunta ka sa dagat-dagatang apoy.” (Convert to Iglesia; otherwise, you'll end up in hell)

    We’re flying with wings of righteousness holding the light to guide those lost in the darkness, we call sanlibutan; completely convinced that we’re indeed the chosen ones come judgment day. All we have to do is follow like sheep and salvation is certain. This is my myopic reality.

    Into the darkness

    Coming of age, I learned our creationist view is indubitably wrong given the insurmountable evidences against it, yet I find this mistake tolerable; assuming perhaps a scientifically-informed interpretation of the bible isn’t necessary for salvation. I was indifferent about this just as I am in overriding any of my rights for the sake of unity; trusting that it’s always for the good of the church.

    What became unbearable is having my consciousness raised about the multi-dimensional causes of poverty. I cannot unlearn what I know now - that the terrible social realities we dismiss right before our eyes as normal is caused by injustice from existing power structures in society.

    It was alarming for I was undeniably guilty of being part of a church responsible for reinforcing structures that sustain poverty through our social attitude and practice of ‘unity.’

    We are INC first before we are Filipinos

    It is our faith, albeit fatalistic, that the world will inevitably perish and no developmental agenda by man could prevent it; we are only travelers here for our true residence is the kingdom of heaven. Hence, we resign concern about matters outside our kingdom unless it might undermine doctrines or the church administration.

    We show power in numbers through bloc-voting and secure key positions in the government in order to protect the interests of the church, never mind whether it’s a corrupt official as long as the church is secured. This is why INC was indifferent during the People Power I despite all the atrocious harm done towards the Filipino people - all because we allied with former president Ferdinand Marcos, the dictator.



    Culture of apathy

    Since our primary concern is the good of the church and not of the people in general, an apathetic attitude towards social issues is fostered among members.

    We’re prohibited to participate in any form of social mobilization or unions because it’s against the unity of the church, even if such actions addresses concerns that directly affect the welfare of members.

    Greedy corporations who operate with inhumane policies are fortunate as INC members are willing allies to preserve an unfair system. We abstain claiming accountability from power-holders in the name of ‘peace.’ - a peace that is oblivious of its implications.

    Yes, we’re an obedient flock of docile sheep but we’re also subtle criminals and dignified perpetrators of injustices against our fellowmen. With brilliant pride we take the side of the oppressors.

    Our brand of humanitarianism

    The provision of generous aid to millions of non-members through medical missions, relief distributions and housing projects are token gestures, for “conversion” is our utmost motivation by exploiting the sense of utang na loob (debt of gratitude).

    INC’s brand of humanitarianism does not involve championing the interest and welfare of the poor by addressing root causes of social issues. Our humanitarian cause is the 'noblest' of all: to save your soul from damnation by converting you to the one true Church of Christ.

    Masters of mobilization

    We’re taught that hardships and misfortunes in life are either caused by sin or are trials we must endure. However, evidence suggests that societal structures and how its citizens participate in shaping it in the course of history is the concrete reason for the everyday struggles of today. Poverty is avoidable, development is a choice.

    The public witnessed INC’s power to amass more than a million people in its administrations’ behest. If the church could use its clout to truly help the nation by addressing long term needs and root causes of perennial social issues – such as lobbying and supporting genuine agrarian reform, a fair wage and other issues that affect the marginalized majority, where many of its own members come from, we shall contribute to societal change.

    Aren't we humans first?

    My conscience is disturbed when I saw my fellow brethren exalte upon news of famine, war, destruction and calamities where thousands of people lay dead. Some even said, “Makasalanan kasi ang sanlibutan, matuwa tayo dahil nalalapit ang kaligtasan natin.” (The people are sinful. We should be happy because our salvation is near.) They seem to forget we’re humans first before we even subscribe to any religion.

    Design of the Philippine Arena
    Design of the Philippine Arena

    'Saving your soul' as a single mission is quite selfish in the face of human suffering. I understand it stems from fear and existential uncertainties, but It’s wrong to choose a convenient personal escape and say “kung gusto niyo rin maligtas, umanib na kayo” (if you want to be saved, join us) instead of engaging in collective action driven by empathy and compassion.

    We glory over the Philippine Arena, Guinness records, and the thousands of congregations we’ve built like the elite ruler gloating over his empire.

    There is harm in a mentality of exclusivity when we operate in the context of a larger society. Imagining a fragmented reality wherein we are only travelers goes against the truth that we have a responsibility to contribute and cooperate in facilitating change in the world. We can do this by renouncing apathy and using our power to mobilize for the good of people. - Rappler.com

    *Malaya dela Cruz is a pseudonym. Rappler verified the identity of the writer, who asked her real name be concealed for her protection. She is a university student.

    iSpeak is Rappler's platform for sharing ideas, sparking discussions, and taking action! Share your iSpeak articles with us: move.ph*rappler.com.

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    She gets my vote... at the end, it is not entirely about beliefs and prayers but how you are in life towards and with those around you.
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    #204
    Kapatid malaya.....lagot ka.

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    #205
    Comment lang kay Malaya, don't you think the Catholic Church has the bigger responsibility? Doesn't a good INC member equate to a good citizen? Religion should teach you how to be a good person as a whole.


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    #206
    you don't need religion to have morals. if you can't determine right from wrong then you lack empathy, not religion.

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    #207
    Looks like there's a rift within INC higher ups. Suggestions of kidnappings and possibly even murders?! Sino kaya ang maililigtas sa kanila?!

    Iglesia ni Cristo's Manalos say lives 'in danger'

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    #208
    kaya pala napapansin ko sa isang town may dalawang sambahan ang INC isang color cream at color light blue na church nila.

    hayan away-away na dahil sa pera

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    kaya pala napapansin ko sa isang town may dalawang sambahan ang INC isang color cream at color light blue na church nila.

    hayan away-away na dahil sa pera

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    #209
    baka umepal nanaman to the rescue si binay

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    #210
    Quote Originally Posted by 170kphlang View Post
    baka umepal nanaman to the rescue si binay
    yup you bet para may solid vote sya election sa lahat ng members ng INC. look what happened kay chris brown... isa si de lima nagissue ng hold departure order kay chris brown. kaya ngayon palang senador de lima na sya

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    Quote Originally Posted by 170kphlang View Post
    baka umepal nanaman to the rescue si binay
    yup you bet para may solid vote sya election sa lahat ng members ng INC. look what happened kay chris brown... isa si de lima nagissue ng hold departure order kay chris brown. kaya ngayon palang senador de lima na sya

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    #211
    Quote Originally Posted by kimbon View Post
    yup you bet para may solid vote sya election sa lahat ng members ng INC. look what happened kay chris brown... isa si de lima nagissue ng hold departure order kay chris brown. kaya ngayon palang senador de lima na sya

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    yup you bet para may solid vote sya election sa lahat ng members ng INC. look what happened kay chris brown... isa si de lima nagissue ng hold departure order kay chris brown. kaya ngayon palang senador de lima na sya
    Walang HDO. lookout lang

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    #212
    Quote Originally Posted by Syuryuken View Post
    kaya pala napapansin ko sa isang town may dalawang sambahan ang INC isang color cream at color light blue na church nila.

    hayan away-away na dahil sa pera

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    kaya pala napapansin ko sa isang town may dalawang sambahan ang INC isang color cream at color light blue na church nila.

    hayan away-away na dahil sa pera
    Kaya pala yung iglesia sa baclaran, nagulat ako bakit light blue na ang kulay yung pintura. Dati cream/flesh brown ang kulay nun e. Yun pala 2 faction pala sila ngayon.

    Matingnan nga yung ibang sambahan nila kung ano kulay.

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    #213
    Mukhang may kaguluhan sa pamunuan nila..


    https://incsilentnomore.wordpress.co...-of-injustice/

    July 18, 2015
    The Tyranny of Injustice

    So many articles to write, so little time…
    Bro. Isaias T. Samson Jr., former Editor-in-Chief of Pasugo Magazine, and his wife Myrna, were expelled today, together with Bro. Jerson T. Samson Jr. and his family. Bro. Isaias and Jerson are brothers, both faithful and honest ministers, who have served the Church for a very long time. Bros. Radel V. Cortez and Matt Pareja led the house arrest and the interrogation. Reports have surfaced that the Samson brothers were both tortured and harmed physically in a futile attempt to get a confession.

    Another minister, Bro. Arnel Tumanan, has been placed under house arrest. Bro. Arnel was General Secretary, a member of the Sanggunian, during the time of our late Executive Minister, Bro. Erano G. Manalo. He is loved and adored by brethren, including Bro. Erano himself. He is reported to have been kicked and abused during the interrogation led by Bro. Radel V. Cortez.

    A truly sad day for the Church when ministers turns against other ministers so that their evil ways are not further exposed. Innocent after innocent ministers who have served the current and past Administrations with all faithfulness, who have given their lives and energy for the Church, are being punished because they are suspected of being me, or helping me, or sympathizing with the family of the late Bro. Erano G. Manalo. All three “crimes” are punishable by expulsion, and worse, DISAPPEARANCE OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH!

    As some of you may know by now, 9 of our Ministers, Workers and other brethren suspected of being either me, Antonio Ebangelista, or are helping me, have been dragged from their homes and held captive on orders from the Central Office. The ministers were abducted by armed men, some of them, INC and some not, but all without conscience, animals who cannot differentiate right from wrong. They only see what they hope to gain, financially and otherwise, from this heinous act against men of God.

    The 9 others were taken from Sorsogon, Meycauayan, Cebu, and elsewhere and now, believed to have been moved to Camp Karingal in Quezon City. One of the 9 has been identified as Bro. Boyet Menorca, son of the late Bro. Lowell Menorca, former Administrative Secretary of the Sanggunian during Ka Erano G. Manalo’s Administration.

    How swiftly the wheels of injustice moved, in this case, only 1 day after the appointment of a new PNP chief in the person of Ricardo Marquez, whom the INC has lobbied hard for.

    My heart cries out for these innocent co-ministers, workers and brethren who are being treated worse than criminals — tortured, interrogated, and held against their will. They were arrested without warrants, their homes violated, their properties trampled on, gadgets stolen, their families traumatized, their close friends interrogated and watched. There is no human law to protect them because that law has been bought – yes, suspension of justice in exchange for votes and INC support this coming election.

    First, they had Lito Fruto abducted, again without warrant, and then charged with made-up lies. Bro. Lito was expelled in April 2015 for helping the family of Bro. Erano and because he was making noise about his intimate knowledge of corruption inside the Church. Bro. Lito is out on bail but there are orders from the Central Office to “put him away”. It will be no surprise if he sings to their tune due to fear for his safety and his life in no time.

    Now these 10 innocent ministers are being made to endure torture and illegal detention inside a government facility. There are overt threats that other brethren suspected of assisting me, will be next.

    These reports continue to come my way that after AE, the family of Bro. Erano G. Manalo will be the final target. They are now heavily guarded by men sent by the Sanggunian, not to protect them, but to make sure they won’t be able to escape. What they have planned for them, I cannot begin to describe, so allow me to quote the report in Tagalog.

    “Nais po naming ipaalam sa lahat na dumating na po sa sukdulan ang pagpaplano ng kasamaan laban sa buong Iglesia. Ipinagmalasakit po ng isang kapamatok na nakasama sa isang natatanging pulong na ipaalam sa amin ang kasalukuyang plano at ito ay ang mga sumusunod:

    Magpapakalat ang Sanggunian ng mga mali, katha at masasamang balita laban sa pamilya ng KAPATID NA ERANO G. MANALO. Kakasangkapanin nila sa pagpapakalat ng mga maling impormasyon ang lahat ng mga ministro, manggagawa at mga maytungkulin sa mga lokal sa buong mundo.

    KAPAG NATIYAK NA PO NILA NA NALILITO NA ANG MGA KAPATID SA KUNG ANO AT KUNG SINO ANG PANINIWALAAN, AY KANILA NA PONG ISASAGAWA ANG SABAY-SABAY NA PAGDUKOT SA LAHAT NG MGA ANAK AT MGA APO NG KAPATID NA ERANO G. MANALO UPANG WALANG MAGIGING HADLANG SA MGA SUSUNOD PA NILANG MGA PLANO SA IGLESIA.

    SA SIMULA, KANILANG DADALHIN ANG PAMILYA NG KAPATID NA ERANO G. MANALO SA ISANG LIBLIB NA LUGAR NA KANILANG INIHAHANDA NGAYON NGUNIT DOON AY UNTI-UNTI NILANG PABABAYAAN MAGING SA PAGKAIN HANGGANG SA SILA AY MAGKASAKIT AT MAMATAY.

    KAPAG KANILA NANG NAIKULONG ANG LAHAT NG PAMILYA NG KAPATID NA ERANO G. MANALO AY ISUSUNOD NA NILA ANG KANILANG HULING PLANO SA IGLESIA”

    To those in government who still have a conscience and to members of the press who still respect their obligation to report the truth, free of censorship, I pose this challenge. Help us in our fight for justice. Help us expose these outright violation of human rights. Help us stop these heinous acts. Help us reveal the corruption inside and outside the Iglesia ni Cristo. Insist on a true separation of Church and State.

    BRETHREN, NOW, MORE THAN EVER, IS THE TIME TO UNITE. THE SANGGUNIAN HAS REACHED NEW LOWS. WHILE THE LAWS OF THIS LAND MAY BE BOUGHT, FROM THE LAW AND JUDGMENT OF GOD, NO ONE IS EXEMPT. LET US PRAY LIKE WE HAVE NEVER PRAYED BEFORE. PRAY FOR JUSTICE, FOR THE LIVES OF THESE INNOCENT MINISTERS, WORKERS AND OTHER BRETHREN TO BE SPARED, PRAY THAT OUR DEAR CHURCH MAY BE FREED FROM THE CLUTCHES OF THE EVIL SANGGUNIAN, AND PRAY FOR THE SAFETY OF BRO. ERANO’S FAMILY.

    Brethren, if you are outraged by these events, you should be! PRAY FOR GOD’S HANDS TO STRIKE DOWN THE EVIL THAT LURKS IN HIS CHURCH! BEG FOR GOD’S MERCY TO DO IT NOW, TO SHOW HIS WRATH NOW, BEFORE THEIR PLAN TO PUT BRO. ERANO’S FAMILY AWAY MATERIALIZES. GOD HELP US ALL.

    -Antonio Ebangelista

    “They tried to bury us…they didn’t know we were seeds.”

    Official Website: Iglesia Ni Cristo – Silent No More by Antonio Ramirez Ebangelista | This is the new official blog of Antonio Ebangelista

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    Twitter: *AEbangelista1
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    #214
    Quote Originally Posted by shadow View Post
    Walang HDO. lookout lang
    onga, i stand corrected lookout lang pala. correct me if I'm wrong here, pero wala pa naman kasong filed sa court against chris brown eh. di kaya paglabag ito sa kanyang freedom to travel. nahehelo tuloy ako. bwahaha

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    Quote Originally Posted by kimbon View Post
    onga, i stand corrected lookout lang pala. correct me if I'm wrong here, pero wala pa naman kasong filed sa court against chris brown eh. di kaya paglabag ito sa kanyang freedom to travel. nahehelo tuloy ako. bwahaha
    meron na daw estafa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kimbon View Post
    onga, i stand corrected lookout lang pala. correct me if I'm wrong here, pero wala pa naman kasong filed sa court against chris brown eh. di kaya paglabag ito sa kanyang freedom to travel. nahehelo tuloy ako. bwahaha
    meron na daw estafa.

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    #216
    Nabasa ko sa pex, na yung phl arena sa bocaue, supposed to be, bawal ang mga concerts & shows na di naaayon sa kanilang doctrina. Pero nahihirapan na sila sa maintenance nung 2 stadiums, kaya pumayag na rin silang iparenta ito sa mga tagalabas.

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    #217
    ^

    Huh? E aanhin kaya nila yun?


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    #218
    it seems lumalala yung corruption sa loob involving yung kin at auditor ng mga pera na nakokolekta at yung nanay at kapatid at ibang ministro na dinukot ay mga tutol dun sa katiwalian

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    Quote Originally Posted by cast_no_shadow View Post
    ^

    Huh? E aanhin kaya nila yun?


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    Wala lang daw. Wala daw sila mapaglagyan ng pera eh hahaha!!

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    #220
    The TRUTH about where the 10percent collection goes is out

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