Pacquiao: Same *** marriage "mas masahol sa hayop."

[Vodka]

Kala ko ba last mo na yun saakin at ayaw mo na ako kausapin? Luke warm ka din eh no. Walang isang salita?

Ngayon, gumagawa ako ng mahabang artikulo regarding the topic of democracy, free expression, and religion. Kung kelan ko matapos yun eh nasasaakin na yun.

PERO, know this, and with all due respect to you. Impaired ang understanding mo ng concept of Separation of Church and State. I present to you Estrada v. Escritor, Imbong v. Ochoa, Jr, at Diocese of Bacolod v. Comelec - They all prove my point. Again, with all due respect and utmost patience and tolerance, basic concept po itong pinag aawayan natin na hindi natin pwedeng ipresenta sa mga layman ng basta basta lang.

AGAIN, with all due respect to you, dahil abugado ka (?), at dahil mapagpasensya ako pag abugado, wala ka nang karapatan mag demand sa artikulo ko dahil.... Ano huling posts mo saakin ulit? Ngayon panindigan mo yun ha. Push mo yun!

"and let this be the last thing that I say to you."

famous last words

na miss ka ata bigla

[Juan Martinez]

Kala ko ba last mo na yun saakin at ayaw mo na ako kausapin? Luke warm ka din eh no. Walang isang salita?

Ngayon, gumagawa ako ng mahabang artikulo regarding the topic of democracy, free expression, and religion. Kung kelan ko matapos yun eh nasasaakin na yun.

PERO, know this, and with all due respect to you. Impaired ang understanding mo ng concept of Separation of Church and State. I present to you Estrada v. Escritor, Imbong v. Ochoa, Jr, at Diocese of Bacolod v. Comelec - They all prove my point. Again, with all due respect and utmost patience and tolerance, basic concept po itong pinag aawayan natin na hindi natin pwedeng ipresenta sa mga layman ng basta basta lang.

AGAIN, with all due respect to you, dahil abugado ka (?), at dahil mapagpasensya ako pag abugado, wala ka nang karapatan mag demand sa artikulo ko dahil.... Ano huling posts mo saakin ulit? Ngayon panindigan mo yun ha. Push mo yun!

are you afflicted with alzheimer's disease?

you forgot that, at the outset, you mentioned "legal opinion" in your post, right? then, i asked you where in your posts that you rendered your legal opinion. you replied that you would give it "mamaya." SIMPLY PUT, i did not ask you to render a legal opinion; you promised to give one. you are morally obligated to come out with it. as of this writing, i haven't seen your legal opinion. you lied. (and this is the ONLY reason why i posted in this thread again.)

now, you sound LIKE a bar flunker. you gave me cases to read. i think you are the one who should digest them.

do you know the exhortation of justice fernando to people who opened their mouth and spewed garbage? "do not talk without thinking otherwise argue with all the valor of ignorance."

[Vodka]

are you afflicted with alzheimer's disease?

you forgot that, at the outset, you mention "legal opinion" in your post, right? then, i asked you where in your posts that you rendered your legal opinion. you replied that you would give it "mamaya." SIMPLY PUT, i did not ask you to render a legal opinion; you promised to give one. you are morally obligated to come out with it. as of this writing, i haven't seen your legal opinion. you lied. (and this is the ONLY reason why i posted in this thread again.)

now, you sound LIKE a bar flunker. you gave me cases to read. i think you are the one who should digest them.

do you know the exhortation of justice fernando to people who opened their mouth and spewed garbage? "do not talk without thinking otherwise argue with all the valor of ignorance."

just let it go dude. we already get you're a kickass lawyer don't stoop down to his level (but i guess you already did)

(i could already imagine you having one of those obnoxious "LAWYER" plates on their cars)

[Juan Martinez]

(i could already imagine you having one of those obnoxious "LAWYER" plates on their cars)

not really dude. let me just tell you honestly: i USED to arresting criminals and shooting them back if they violently resist. now? i am just contented to send them to jail.

i am not joking.

[minicarph]

Ohmigosh ohmisgosh ohmisgosh, JM is getting an ass-whooping here,. let's defend him ,pero Hindi naman tayo lawyer. Pano na yun

Sorry, JM I want to defend pero sobrang busy ako ngaun, I just fast scan these pages

[b_9904]

are you afflicted with alzheimer's disease?

you forgot that, at the outset, you mentioned "legal opinion" in your post, right? then, i asked you where in your posts that you rendered your legal opinion. you replied that you would give it "mamaya." SIMPLY PUT, i did not ask you to render a legal opinion; you promised to give one. you are morally obligated to come out with it. as of this writing, i haven't seen your legal opinion. you lied. (and this is the ONLY reason why i posted in this thread again.)

now, you sound LIKE a bar flunker. you gave me cases to read. i think you are the one who should digest them.

do you know the exhortation of justice fernando to people who opened their mouth and spewed garbage? "do not talk without thinking otherwise argue with all the valor of ignorance."

Ngark ngark ngark... your problem not mine.

Lol you just made my day... it is so much fun whenever I read your replies to my post.

Still, wala kang isang salita at super ad hominem ka po ATTY (.?)

[Juan Martinez]

Ngark ngark ngark... your problem not mine.

Lol you just made my day... it is so much fun whenever I read your replies to my post.

Still, wala kang isang salita at super ad hominem ka po ATTY (.?)

b_9904, i posted to the effect that same *** marriage (SSM) is not allowed by the family code because parties to the marriage must be a man and a woman (Art. 2, Family Code). i said, i don't care if you want the family code amended in order to allow SSM, but i hastened to point out that the constitution mandates that marriage is an INVIOLABLE SOCIAL INSTITUTION that is protected by the State (Sec.2, Art. XV, 1987 Constitution). and that by doctrine of constitutional supremacy, the amendment of the family code to give way to same *** marriage might be UNCONSTITUTIONAL because of the inviolability of marriage as a SOCIAL INSTITUTION.

then, i made the caveat:

in our discourse, let us not delve into religion because, under the Constitution, the separation of church and state is inviolable.

you objected to this and labeled it: "doctrinally wrong!" then you added:

Legally, you can delve into religion in these matters. Heck, even the Church can delve into it.

It is interesting that you told me that I am nitpicking, but was it really nitpicking?

You gave a wrong opinion on the application of the provision and I merely pointed it out.

Again, later I will post the opinion backed by laws, jurisprudence, and the works and apply it to the facts in your posts.

after many exchanges, you posted this:

PERO, know this, and with all due respect to you. Impaired ang understanding mo ng concept of Separation of Church and State. I present to you Estrada v. Escritor, Imbong v. Ochoa, Jr, at Diocese of Bacolod v. Comelec - They all prove my point. Again, with all due respect and utmost patience and tolerance, basic concept po itong pinag aawayan natin na hindi natin pwedeng ipresenta sa mga layman ng basta basta lang.

you really speak with all the valor of ignorance. the cases you cited are NOT applicable.

1) Estrada vs. Escritor does not apply to same *** marriage. the factual environment of Escritor and hence its ratio decidende, applying the principle of stare decisis, is NOT on all fours with same *** marriage because:
a) the respondent in Escritor was an employee of the judiciary who was suspended because she had an illicit relationship with a married man who was already separated from his wife
b) respondent was a Jehovah’s witness whose religion approved of living-in relationship if done with the approval of their elders
c) the supreme court applied the doctrine of benevolent neutrality where religion looked upon with benevolence and not hostility, benevolent neutrality ALLOWS ACCOMMODATION OF RELIGION UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES.
d) the SC said: The term religion has reference to ones views of his relations to his Creator, and to the obligations they impose of reverence for his being and character, and of obedience to his will.

In same *** marriage, the state CANNOT afford to be benevolent with religion because the state under the Constitution is duty-bound to protect the institution of marriage. in other words, marriage is PURELY secular in character. this is the reason why Catholic church-decreed annulment is NOT binding with the courts. this is also the reason why Catholic priests cannot solemnize marriages WITHOUT the Certificate of Registration of Authority to Solemnize Marriage (CRASM) issued by the office of the civil registrar general. the same reason that, in cases for declaration of nullity and annulment of marriages, the law directs the office of the solicitor general to appear in behalf of the state.

2) in Imbong vs. Ochoa, the SC upheld the constitutionality of the RH law. the High Court held:

The scientific evidence supports the conclusion that a zygote is a human organism and that the life of a new human being commences at a scientifically well defined "moment of conception." This conclusion is objective, consistent with the factual evidence, and INDEPENDENT of any specific ethical, moral, political, or RELIGIOUS VIEW of human life or of human embryos.

3. in diocese of bacolod vs. comelec, the supreme court threw out the religious argument of the Catholic church relative to the papal encyclicals, saying: "the church doctrines relied upon by petitioners are not binding upon this court."

the Court speaking through Justice Leonen said:

At the outset, the Constitution mandates the separation of church and state. xxx
Clearly, not all acts done by those who are priests, bishops, ustadz, imams, or any other religious make such act immune from any secular regulation. The religious also have a secular existence. They exist within a society that is regulated by law.

The Bishop of Bacolod caused the posting of the tarpaulin. But not all acts of a bishop amounts to religious expression. This notwithstanding petitioners’ claim that "the views and position of the petitioners, the Bishop and the Diocese of Bacolod, on the RH Bill is inextricably connected to its Catholic dogma, faith, and moral teachings. . . ."
xxx
As aptly argued by COMELEC, however, the tarpaulin, on its face, "does not convey any religious doctrine of the Catholic church." That the position of the Catholic church appears to coincide with the message of the tarpaulin regarding the RH Law does not, by itself, bring the expression within the ambit of religious speech. On the contrary, the tarpaulin clearly refers to candidates classified under "Team Patay" and "Team Buhay" according to their respective votes on the RH Law.

The same may be said of petitioners’ reliance on papal encyclicals to support their claim that the expression on the tarpaulin is an ecclesiastical matter. With all due respect to the Catholic faithful, the church doctrines relied upon by petitioners are not binding upon this court. The position of the Catholic religion in the Philippines as regards the RH Law does not suffice to qualify the posting by one of its members of a tarpaulin as religious speech solely on such basis. The enumeration of candidates on the face of the tarpaulin precludes any doubt as to its nature as speech with political consequences and not religious speech.

Now, b_9904, pray tell me, are you not talking with all the valor of ignorance?

where is your "legal opinion" that is back up with jurisprudence?

[glenn manikis]

rfgoons-- you know what-- everytime may matulungan ako na less fortunate sakin at sabihan ako ng natulungan ko ng " Salamat and God Bless You Sir" our Lord never fails to Bless me 100x more!!! To my mind, Si lord pala hinding hindi magpapatalo satin... If you bless a person that is less fortunate sayo.. Ng Php1000-- ang balik nyan our Lord will bless you at least 100x more!!! Tried and tested ko na po ito-- it happened to me several times already... Hindi ko na mabilang.... Love God-- and he will be faithful with all his promises..

When I say Love God-- it only means Love God with all your heart-- hindi ka gagawa ng labag sa Utos nya...

[glenn manikis]

Si manny, I'm sure-- Yung nangyari Sakanya will likely boost his chances of being a senator...

[nervenllarena]

Si manny, I'm sure-- Yung nangyari Sakanya will likely boost his chances of being a senator...

of course what do you expect daming bobotante eh

[glenn manikis]

of course what do you expect daming bobotante eh

You cannot judge a voter to be bobo-- if he or she chooses manny for his religious belief with boldness...

[niky]

You cannot judge a voter to be bobo-- if he or she chooses manny for his religious belief with boldness...

If you vote for someone simply because they proclaim themselves holy... without actually looking at their performance in government...

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Not saying people don't have the right to vote based on their convictions... but Manny could be the holiest person in the world and he would still not be a good legislator. Refuses to concentrate on his work. Dabbles in too many extra-curricular activities. Even when he hangs up his gloves, there will still be other things to distract him... basketball, media, etcetera.

If he really wants to serve the people, he can do it outside of the Senate.

When I say Love God-- it only means Love God with all your heart-- hindi ka gagawa ng labag sa Utos nya...

Sorry, I will not give up eating shrimp, and I have no intention of owning slaves.

[KenGarcia]

If he really wants to serve the people, he can do it outside of the Senate.

+10000. Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg have done it.

[glenn manikis]

If you vote for someone simply because they proclaim themselves holy... without actually looking at their performance in government...

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Not saying people don't have the right to vote based on their convictions... but Manny could be the holiest person in the world and he would still not be a good legislator. Refuses to concentrate on his work. Dabbles in too many extra-curricular activities. Even when he hangs up his gloves, there will still be other things to distract him... basketball, media, etcetera.

If he really wants to serve the people, he can do it outside of the Senate.



Sorry, I will not give up eating shrimp, and I have no intention of owning slaves.

Unang una.. Hindi he did not proclaim himself holy...
He's a Christian who uses the bible as his sole guidance in life...

Performance sa govt. -- what kind of performance are you looking at? Madaming naipasa na batas? Madaming projects? Pero Wala naman takot magnakaw... Everyday present but waiting for lobbyist?

What we need now is not laws to be made-- we need laws to be implemented... Ang dami nang batas Dyan... But what? Umunlad ba Tayo? NaWala ba corruption? Is there peace in Mindanao? Wala lahat...

The biggest problem in our country is not lacking in laws nor too much corruption, but-- Wala silang dios sa puso nila--- kaya -- Yung mga magagaling na mambabatas, Wala syang fear magnakaw... Kasi walang nakakakita sakAnila... But if they have God in their hearts.. Kahit Wala pang nakakakitA sakanila... They will not corrupt...

Everyone of us have their each their own distraction... Ikaw Lang-- Tsikot is one of your distraction... It's not how many is your distractions is--- but how you can handle it...

And besides that, that's manny he's an energiNer... Despite all his distraction... Successful naman cya... Because may dios sya sa puso nya.. And he's a hard worker... He also has conviction--- he even donates his salary-- spend his own money to build housing for the poor.. He even spent half of his Mayweather earnings for the people..

And remember, a nation not Governed by God would be ruled by tyrants...

[ClaNker]

Sorry, I will not give up eating shrimp, and I have no intention of owning slaves.

Ano yan, Islam? Muslin na pala si Glenn ngayon.

[magicsarap]

Si manny, I'm sure-- Yung nangyari Sakanya will likely boost his chances of being a senator...

Sinabi mo pa. Talagang mananalo yan si Manny kasi karamihan ng mga filipino ay mga 80yest. Pera ang kinikilala nilang dios. Pag walang pera wala ding dios.

[cast_no_shadow]

One of my best bud more of a cynical bordering atheist still he's blessed in all aspects.

An officemate who is straight religious, diligently doing what she is supposed to do in the office, mabait sa lahat unfortunately hikahos sa buhay. Still she holds her faith which I really admire.

What am I saying, respeto lang kung ano ang pinaniniwalaan ng bawat isa.



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[glenn manikis]

From Facebook--

In a facebook forum I was asked.
Mr. Glenn Mark Madawn. Will you vote for Manny Pacquiao as Senator?
At first, I have no plans on electing Pacquiao because as we have known on the media that he was just an elementary graduate. When this same-*** marriage echoed in social media when Pacquiao stood honestly with integrity and conviction, standing boldy with his principles, it changes my mind and start to open government website to check Pacquiao's profile. And i guess we never know these that
he took, and passed, a high school equivalency exam making him eligible for college education, enrolled for a college degree in business management at Notre Dame of University, conferred and earned the Honorary Degree of Doctor of Humanities (Honoris Causa). He enrolled and awarded the Certificate Course in Development, Legislation and Governance–Graduate of School of Public and Development Management (DAP-GSPDM). As I've read it, I feel ashamed and guilty because even though i did not judged him vocally about his capacity of being a senator but my mind does. I salute him for being humble that secretly he had a very outstanding educational background. I rather vote a Bible preacher, who spend hundreds of millions from his own pocket in helping the poor, than electing highly educated, genius politicians who steals billions of money and making the poor more poorer. My mind hath changed. Manny, you'll be the 9th senatorial bet on my list this election. May GOD bless you man. We intellectuals, conservatives, True Bloodied Christians denounced liberalism. Pacquiao sorry that i have judged you once, but right now, expect that WE WILL BE STANDING WITH YOU SHOULDER to SHOULDER for you make Philippines a soaring eagle in sports and in world history as a legend, unpathomable icon, a symbol of real patriotism, nationalism and passion to the poor. Allahu Akhbar, Ameen, Shabbat Shalom. God Bless man.

[Balikpinoy]

I would believe it about Manny but his continued association with known wife beaters and corrupt politicians prove otherwise.

[glenn manikis]

I would believe it about Manny but his continued association with known wife beaters and corrupt politicians prove otherwise.

That question was raised by Karen Davila interview with manny-- ang sagot nya - he already talked to binay about that and said-- he will not tolorate him referring to binay...

And besides sir... 99 percent ng politicos is corrupt--