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    From Philstar:

    Palace disputes chain of command findings
    By Aurea Calica (The Philippine Star) | Updated March 15, 2015 - 12:00am

    MANILA, Philippines — President Aquino did not violate the chain of command of the Philippine National Police (PNP) in the planning and execution of Operation Plan Exodus as the police force is a civilian organization and he “exercises full and absolute control and supervision” over every police official.

    Malacañang, through spokesman Edwin Lacierda, made the clarification last night to dispute the conclusion made by the PNP Board of Inquiry (BOI) that the President broke the chain of command when he dealt directly with then Special Action Force (SAF) commander Director Getulio Napeñas and allowed then suspended PNP chief Director General Alan Purisima to take part in Oplan Exodus that targeted high value terrorists.

    In a statement, Lacierda also claimed the BOI “introduced innuendos and resorted to speculations to reach some of its conclusions” without asking the President to clarify matters.

    “The first and most basic fact is that the Philippine
    National Police is a civilian institution, established to replace the Philippine Constabulary-Integrated National Police (PC-INP),” he said.

    “The President as Chief Executive cannot be subordinated to an internal process within the PNP when he has control and supervision over all its members, regardless of rank,” Lacierda explained.

    “The BOI itself recognized this in its report when it acknowledged that it was the President’s prerogative to issue direct orders to the Special Action Force (SAF) head,” he added.

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    “However, the BOI subsequently contradicted itself when it suggested that the President should have followed the PNP chain of command. In invoking the chain of command rule, it is important to point out that this rule applies only within the PNP,” Lacierda pointed out.

    He said it was clear that the President himself instructed Purisima, then under suspension, to inform PNP officer-in-charge Deputy Director Leonardo Espina about the Mamasapano mission.

    Purisima, who has since resigned, disobeyed the President, according to Lacierda.

    “The President therefore left nothing to chance. His direct orders to Purisima, if obeyed, would have ensured that the OIC Chief PNP would not have been kept in the dark,” the presidential spokesman said.

    “These points are basic to a proper appreciation of the roles officials were expected to play in Mamasapano and the severity of the consequences of decisions made by those officials who disobeyed the President,” he pointed out.

    ‘Hastily made conclusions’
    Lacierda lauded the BOI report as “thorough in scope and independent in nature,” but stressed the need for them to “separate the facts from potentially hastily-made conclusions and opinions.”

    “The narration of facts was exhaustive and provides a sober basis for understanding what transpired. In gathering the facts, the BOI should have allowed the facts to speak for themselves,” he said.

    He lamented, however, that the BOI failed to get the side of the President on contentious issues. “The President would have answered any questions they may have had. But no official request was made. Instead, it introduced innuendos and resorted to speculations to reach some of its conclusions,” Lacierda argued.

    This, he said, was “more unfortunate” because the head of the BOI, Director Benjamin Magalong, together with other senior PNP officials, was present in a meeting with the President where the official had the opportunity to ask the President questions.

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    Justice Secretary Leila de Lima also rebuffed the BOI’s conclusion that President Aquino broke the chain of command of the PNP, saying the President was not the commander-in-chief of the PNP in the first place.

    She said that while the BOI effort was laudable, the report prepared by the body was flawed because the facts were wrong.

    “Based on a wrong premise, the BOI report on the nature of the President’s role can only arrive at a wrong conclusion,” De Lima said in a statement.

    “While the President has the prerogative to deal directly with any of his subordinates, the act of dealing with Napeñas instead of OIC-PNP Espina bypassed the established PNP Chain of Command,” the BOI report read.

    “Comprehensive as the BOI Mamasapano Report wishes to be, it starts on the wrong premise insofar as the role of the President as commander-in-chief of the PNP is concerned,” De Lima pointed out.

    “As early as 23 years ago, the Supreme Court already declared in Carpio v. Executive Secretary (G.R. No. 96409; February 14, 1992) that the President is not the commander-in-chief of the PNP,” she said.

    “He is not the PNP commander-in-chief because under the 1987 Constitution, the PNP is no longer part of the Armed Forces. The President is only commander-in-chief in relation to the armed forces. The PNP, being a civilian agency, is not part of the armed forces,” De Lima maintained.

    “In relation to the PNP, the President is the Chief Executive, in the same way that he acts as the Chief Executive to all the civilian agencies of the Executive bureaucracy,” she added.

    “The PNP’s mistaken 28-year tradition of treating itself as part of the armed forces and the President as its commander-in-chief can never ripen into a statutory provision or legal principle, most especially since the Supreme Court has already declared the contrary as early as 23 years ago,” she said.

    The justice secretary opined that the board should have instead “confronted this misplaced military culture and tradition within the PNP – as underpinned by its most basic belief that it is still part of the armed forces – head on.”

    She said the PNP is not the Armed Forces of the Philippines that has a singular and unitary line of command from the commander-in-chief to the lowliest private. De Lima said the PNP has several lines of command and authority that include not only the President or the PNP Chief, but also the National Police Commission (Napolcom) and the governors and mayors of provinces, cities and municipalities.

    “Notwithstanding the failure of the PNP Manual to reflect the President’s proper constitutional role as Chief Executive in the PNP command structure, the PNP Manual can neither limit nor bind the President’s plenary control and supervision over the PNP as its Chief Executive,” she said.

    “In this sense, the PNP BOI cannot assume to impose upon the President his role and corresponding accountabilities as commander-in-chief of the PNP, without itself understanding the very nature of the PNP as a civilian agency that should relate to the President as its Chief Executive,” she said.

    Criminal liability
    In an earlierinterview over dzRB, deputy presidential spokesperson Abigail Valte said the DOJ is studying possible criminal liability of those involved in the Mamasapano encounter, including Purisima.

    In its report released Thursday, the BOI recommended further investigation “where the facts of this report indicate possible violations of existing laws and regulations.”

    “The investigation of the DOJ is going into criminal liability,” Valte said.

    She said the DOJ and the National Bureau of Investigation (NBI) – which is under DOJ – has already requested for an official copy of the BOI report from the Department of the Interior and Local Government (DILG).

    “So it is safe to assume that the contents of the BOI report will form part of the investigation of these agencies,” she added.

    The BOI report said Purisima violated the preventive suspension order issued by the Office of the Ombudsman when he participated in the planning and execution of Oplan Exodus, as well as Special Order No. 9851 dated Dec.16, 2014 issued by Espina, directing him and other suspended PNP officers to “cease and desists from performing the duties and functions of their respective offices during the pendency of the case until its termination.”

    Valte also said President Aquino has not ordered an investigation into why some police officials can’t seem to trust the military with sensitive information.

    Napeñas earlier said he opted not to tell the military about Oplan Exodus during its planning stage as the latter might have already been “compromised.”

    The BOI report said the alleged loose handling by some military men of sensitive information might be due to “intermarriages” between them and villagers.

    “There is no order from the President to look into it... I also remember that exchange. The President said ‘but then you coordinate with the one who can make the movement happen.’ And if I remember correctly, it was said, I think this is during the Senate hearing, the Oplan Exodus itself in the planning also mentioned that there had to be coordination with the 6th ID (Infantry Division),” Valte said. – Evelyn Macairan, Cecille Suerte Felipe

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    Sorry double post.

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    BOI 'resorted to speculations'–Malacañang | Inquirer News

    ‘Aquino left nothing to chance’ | Inquirer News

    Abnoy and his moron defenders in malacanang will die defending as all investigation report will point only to Napenas, Abnoy & Bonjing. Grace Poe already stated she ain't sparing malacanang in her report as well.

    Basta what ever happens, bitay na si ABNOY sa 2016. bwahahaha...

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    Quote Originally Posted by macsd View Post
    BOI 'resorted to speculations'–Malacañang | Inquirer News

    ‘Aquino left nothing to chance’ | Inquirer News

    Abnoy and his moron defenders in malacanang will die defending as all investigation report will point only to Napenas, Abnoy & Bonjing. Grace Poe already stated she ain't sparing malacanang in her report as well.

    Basta what ever happens, bitay na si ABNOY sa 2016. bwahahaha...
    his defenders are not really morons. it is really difficult to put up a decent and credible defense on some things which are indefensible.

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    Kung iisipin natin, siguro tumatawa si Supreme Court Associate Marvic Leonen sa tuwa na nakaligtas siya sa backlash arising from this incident. He was actually the chief negotiator for the GRP. Right after the signing of the War (err) Agreement, he was appointed as justice by Abnoy. Ngayon si Coronel-Ferrer along with Deles tuloy ang nayayari.

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    Quote Originally Posted by machine.pistol View Post
    Kung iisipin natin, siguro tumatawa si Supreme Court Associate Marvic Leonen sa tuwa na nakaligtas siya sa backlash arising from this incident. He was actually the chief negotiator for the GRP. Right after the signing of the War (err) Agreement, he was appointed as justice by Abnoy. Ngayon si Coronel-Ferrer along with Deles tuloy ang nayayari.
    in fairness, i read most of the literatures published by OPAPP in its website relative to exploratory talks prior to the signing of the FAB and CAB, J Leonen was doing great for the country as head of the GPH negotiating panel. It was in his time in 2011 that the now BIFF commander Ustadz Ameril Umra Kato then commander of 105th Base Command was definitely tagged an LC of the MILF and was subjected for LEO by GPH. J. Leonen is only one of the 15 justices of the SC and i doubt he can influence the other 14 who have a mind of their own.

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    if i recall correctly, it was marvic leonen who dismissed the al barka incident in 2011 as only an "isolated case". yes, summary executions, beheadings and mutilations of soldiers as "isolated case" that should not hamper the peace process. parehas din ang dahilan sa mamasapano kung hindi ako nagkakamali: the pathetic excuse of failure to coordinate with MILF in pursuing criminals in their so called lands. maybe the backlash at that time is not that big because pnoy is only barely new and may not be directly involved in the operations. a lot different now with mamasapano.

    sir juan martinez, in your previous posts you asked everyone in here on how to achieve peace in certain parts of mindanao. a solution which could be far more complex and as elusive as the peace everyone wants to achieve. i have never been to conflict or milf/biff controlled areas of mindanao so i dont have even a general feel of the community and the people in it. you on the other hand may have been there. id like to ask, will it be hard to disarm these moro rebels? and disarm almost everyone in mindanao? better gun control? will a national ID system just in Mindanao work to identify or even control the rebels? can the government execute pre-emptive strikes like flattening the arms factory of milf/biff?

    Quote Originally Posted by Juan Martinez View Post
    in fairness, i read most of the literatures published by OPAPP in its website relative to exploratory talks prior to the signing of the FAB and CAB, J Leonen was doing great for the country as head of the GPH negotiating panel. It was in his time in 2011 that the now BIFF commander Ustadz Ameril Umra Kato then commander of 105th Base Command was definitely tagged an LC of the MILF and was subjected for LEO by GPH. J. Leonen is only one of the 15 justices of the SC and i doubt he can influence the other 14 who have a mind of their own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Lord View Post
    if i recall correctly, it was marvic leonen who dismissed the al barka incident in 2011 as only an "isolated case". yes, summary executions, beheadings and mutilations of soldiers as "isolated case" that should not hamper the peace process. parehas din ang dahilan sa mamasapano kung hindi ako nagkakamali: the pathetic excuse of failure to coordinate with MILF in pursuing criminals in their so called lands. maybe the backlash at that time is not that big because pnoy is only barely new and may not be directly involved in the operations. a lot different now with mamasapano.

    sir juan martinez, in your previous posts you asked everyone in here on how to achieve peace in certain parts of mindanao. a solution which could be far more complex and as elusive as the peace everyone wants to achieve. i have never been to conflict or milf/biff controlled areas of mindanao so i dont have even a general feel of the community and the people in it. you on the other hand may have been there. id like to ask, will it be hard to disarm these moro rebels? and disarm almost everyone in mindanao? better gun control? will a national ID system just in Mindanao work to identify or even control the rebels? can the government execute pre-emptive strikes like flattening the arms factory of milf/biff?



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    i don't know whether Justice Leonen was in involved in al barka incident in any manner whatsoever. it happened in 2007. what I remember Lt. Col. Peña, the BatCom of 4th SF, was demoted by the GCM(general court martial).

    yes, i asked people here their take on how could they solve the insurgency problem in Mindanao. what I had in mind when I asked that question was that, there is no other solution to the conflict, especially to the Bangsamoro problem, but peace. the milf thru chairman al haj murad ebrahim unequivocally wanted peace. the milf backtracked in their previous hardliner stance of secession or complete independence. he did not deny that milf flirted with terrorists. in fact, he admitted that some quarters of milf were or are leaning towards al-qaeda. if he wants peace why we or our government shies away from it? the Irish republican army were called terrorists but it did not deter the British to have peace with them. the truism that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter could not be set aside as banal. as early as 2002 or 2003, at least according to the milf hierarchy, it had expelled terrorists in their turf. that is why I find senator AP cayetano's labeling of milf as terrosrist coddler as off-tangent. if you have observed in the senate hearing, he sounds more of a bigot than iqbal. you remember how mujiv hataman almost cried when cayetano badgered iqbal. well, he is a politician not a peace maker. he has his own motivations.

    I don't want to come as all-knowing to all the nuances in the Bangsamoro problem. though I was born somewhere in mindanao, but I studied it a little bit in my self-study about national security. I'd been to pagalungan and the neighboring north cotabato. you ask about disarming the Moro rebels. it's easier said than done. but there's an institution that monitors the laying down of arms by the milf. milf is only one part of the equation but the most important one. we have the biff there; the PAGS. that is one of the main reasons why afp are going after the biff thru all-out offensive. if people here educated themselves of the proposed BBL and all the documents signed and issued before that measure was submitted, maybe, just maybe, people here are not that judgmental.

    most people here who are against Pnoy are against him because they do not like him. they called him panot or Abnoy. I don't like how he looks too, but he is better than most. let's argue on policy not personality. otherwise it speaks more of who we are than who the person we vellify.
    you ask for gun control, national ID and others. years in the government service made me realize that we have strong institutions but weak persons leading that institutions. whoever said it's not in our stars but in ourselves he cannot not be more than right. if you put there strong bureaucrats who can enforce our laws come hell or high water and come what may, there is no reason why we cannot eradicate the gun culture of that place.

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    Strict law enforcement to curb and contain the growth of rebellion. That's what I thought too. Also i can relate to poor execution by people on the ground negates strong and good policies set by higher ups.

    Thanks sir Juan martinez, I really admire your wisdom.

    Quote Originally Posted by Juan Martinez View Post
    i don't know whether Justice Leonen was in involved in al barka incident in any manner whatsoever. it happened in 2007. what I remember Lt. Col. Peña, the BatCom of 4th SF, was demoted by the GCM(general court martial).

    yes, i asked people here their take on how could they solve the insurgency problem in Mindanao. what I had in mind when I asked that question was that, there is no other solution to the conflict, especially to the Bangsamoro problem, but peace. the milf thru chairman al haj murad ebrahim unequivocally wanted peace. the milf backtracked in their previous hardliner stance of secession or complete independence. he did not deny that milf flirted with terrorists. in fact, he admitted that some quarters of milf were or are leaning towards al-qaeda. if he wants peace why we or our government shies away from it? the Irish republican army were called terrorists but it did not deter the British to have peace with them. the truism that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter could not be set aside as banal. as early as 2002 or 2003, at least according to the milf hierarchy, it had expelled terrorists in their turf. that is why I find senator AP cayetano's labeling of milf as terrosrist coddler as off-tangent. if you have observed in the senate hearing, he sounds more of a bigot than iqbal. you remember how mujiv hataman almost cried when cayetano badgered iqbal. well, he is a politician not a peace maker. he has his own motivations.

    I don't want to come as all-knowing to all the nuances in the Bangsamoro problem. though I was born somewhere in mindanao, but I studied it a little bit in my self-study about national security. I'd been to pagalungan and the neighboring north cotabato. you ask about disarming the Moro rebels. it's easier said than done. but there's an institution that monitors the laying down of arms by the milf. milf is only one part of the equation but the most important one. we have the biff there; the PAGS. that is one of the main reasons why afp are going after the biff thru all-out offensive. if people here educated themselves of the proposed BBL and all the documents signed and issued before that measure was submitted, maybe, just maybe, people here are not that judgmental.

    most people here who are against Pnoy are against him because they do not like him. they called him panot or Abnoy. I don't like how he looks too, but he is better than most. let's argue on policy not personality. otherwise it speaks more of who we are than who the person we vellify.
    you ask for gun control, national ID and others. years in the government service made me realize that we have strong institutions but weak persons leading that institutions. whoever said it's not in our stars but in ourselves he cannot not be more than right. if you put there strong bureaucrats who can enforce our laws come hell or high water and come what may, there is no reason why we cannot eradicate the gun culture of that place.

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    Sorry. Wrong post.

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    ^ that just means may nag aabang na sa Supreme Court kung sakaling aakyat itong bbl issue...

    I wonder why that fact hasnt been played out sa media...

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    2011 al barka; 2007 tipotipo

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    The Mamasapano Report
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    *3.15.2015*

    The Philippine National Police’s board of inquiry (BOI) released the other day the result of its six-week investigation of the Mamasapano incident. Masterfully blending the somber tone of an academic paper with the narrative arc of a war movie script, the 125-page document, tersely titled “The Mamasapano Report,” is a fascinating read.

    The report offers answers to many questions in the public mind, and draws conclusions about the Mamasapano affair that are as bold as they are instructive. Most importantly, it defines the applicable norms, and unhesitatingly allocates blame for the operational failures and lapses that marked this tragic police mission.

    Although written primarily from the perspective of police and military science, the report can be read in many different ways. The legal aspects of this incident understandably dominate the public outlook. This is due in large measure to the insistent demand for justice for the 44 police commandos who died in this mission. People want to know why they had to wait vainly to be rescued, and who is at fault.

    The report is likewise of immense value from a political standpoint. Some will obviously be interested to know if President Aquino might have committed an impeachable offense when he continued to rely on former PNP director general Alan Purisima for direction of this sensitive mission despite the fact that the latter had lost the authority to do so following his suspension. Others will look for further ammunition in this report to undermine the credibility of P-Noy and the viability of his political influence beyond his term.

    My own interest is slightly different. By asking the kind of questions I raised in a previous column (“Questions for P-Noy,” Inquirer, 02/19/15), I seek to draw from this experience important lessons on how, as a society, we struggle to navigate the complex terrain of modern governance.

    My first question was: When the President received Purisima and then Special Action Force commander Getulio Napeñas on Jan. 9 for the briefing on “Oplan Exodus,” did he, at any point during that meeting, communicate the need to coordinate with the people in charge of monitoring and maintaining the cessation of hostilities in Mindanao? The answer is clear: The peace process never figured in that conversation. The BOI report notes this lapse but puts it quite diplomatically: “As Chief Executive of the Philippines, the President could have given strategic guidance to Napeñas on the implications of conducting a law enforcement operation within the [Moro Islamic Liberation Front]-controlled communities.” (p. 53)

    Second, did the President not foresee the implications of conducting such a delicate police operation in MILF-held communities on the fragile peace process in Mindanao? Again, the answer is no. It is either of two things: The question of protecting the peace process was entirely absent from the President’s mind, or he was made to believe that the risk of escalation was minimal because the joint ceasefire mechanism could be easily activated if necessary. The BOI’s observation is quite telling: “All involved SAF elements interviewed by BOI stated that they did not recall any instance where the peace process was factored in the planning process.” (p. 58)

    Third, what reasons did the President have for not consulting his immediate political family—for example, the security cluster of his Cabinet—on so important a mission as this? Here, the BOI report offers no answer, and does not dare to speculate. But the explanation for this lapse is as clear as day. The President saw no need to consult anyone else about this mission because, in his mind, this was Purisima’s project, and he had full trust in his friend’s judgment.

    Fourth, did the President not anticipate the complications of allowing the then already suspended Purisima to play an active role in this operation, while keeping PNP OIC Leonardo Espina and Interior Secretary Mar Roxas uninformed? This is as perplexing as the previous question. There is only one possible answer: On the matter of getting Marwan, the word of Purisima was more valuable than any other. The President authorized the final plan presented by Napeñas mainly because of Purisima’s endorsement. That also explains why he communicated with Napeñas through Purisima.

    Fifth, what actions did the President take to save the trapped SAF commandos? The BOI report indicates that the President could not have taken any decisive action because, like everyone else outside the Tactical Command Post on Jan. 25, he was grossly misled about the situation in Mamasapano. The lack of urgency in the response to the SAF commandos’ cry for reinforcement was the tragic outcome of a series of miscommunications.

    And finally, what role did the Americans (who were first seen by media members in the company of the medical evacuation team) play in the Mamasapano affair? Here, the BOI confirms what everyone has suspected all along: that US personnel were with Napeñas at the Tactical Command Post throughout that fateful day, monitoring the battle on the ground (clearly with the aid of drones), and providing “real-time information on the actual movements of friendly and enemy forces in the area of operations.” (p. 78)

    The report does not ask whether this foreign participation is covered by any existing agreement, nor does it comment on the irony of a Filipino police operation making room for foreign operatives while shutting out the Philippine military. Indeed, it pays full credit to the Americans: “It is worth noting that because of the U.S. [intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance] support, the 84th SAC was able to elude large enemy formations, thereby avoiding further casualties.”

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    Trillanes to Napeñas: Be man enough to accept your mistake
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    1:02 PM | Monday, March 16th, 2015

    MANILA, Philippines — Instead of pointing blame to others, sacked Special Action Force (SAF) head Director Getulio Napeñas should be man enough to accept his fault on the Mamasapano operation, Senator Antonio “Sonny” Trillanes IV said on Monday.

    “For us, this is clear, being a former military officer, when you’re given a mission, and you fail, then you’re accountable for it. You can’t blame anyone,” Trillanes, a former Navy officer, told reporters in an interview at the Senate.

    “They are blaming the 6th Infantry Division supposedly for not responding, that’s not true. Because in the Oplan Exodus itself, I asked Gen. Napeñas, where was the 6th ID here? What’s their role? None. So why will you blame a unit which was not in the plan. You have decided to exclude them, then when you failed, you will blame them?”

    I think at this point, Gen. Napeñas should man up and accept that he made a mistake. He should ask for forgiveness to relatives of his troops who were killed because his plan was wrong, his judgment call was wrong at that time of the fighting that’s why he lost a lot of his men,” said the senator.

    Trillanes reiterated that from a military or police operation perspective, a person who was given a mission should be responsible for it.

    “You cannot blame others if you failed because if you succeeded, you’re the one to be given the medal,” he further said.

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    Trillanes to Napeñas: Be man enough to accept your mistake
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    1:02 PM | Monday, March 16th, 2015

    MANILA, Philippines — Instead of pointing blame to others, sacked Special Action Force (SAF) head Director Getulio Napeñas should be man enough to accept his fault on the Mamasapano operation, Senator Antonio “Sonny” Trillanes IV said on Monday.

    “For us, this is clear, being a former military officer, when you’re given a mission, and you fail, then you’re accountable for it. You can’t blame anyone,” Trillanes, a former Navy officer, told reporters in an interview at the Senate.

    “They are blaming the 6th Infantry Division supposedly for not responding, that’s not true. Because in the Oplan Exodus itself, I asked Gen. Napeñas, where was the 6th ID here? What’s their role? None. So why will you blame a unit which was not in the plan. You have decided to exclude them, then when you failed, you will blame them?”

    I think at this point, Gen. Napeñas should man up and accept that he made a mistake. He should ask for forgiveness to relatives of his troops who were killed because his plan was wrong, his judgment call was wrong at that time of the fighting that’s why he lost a lot of his men,” said the senator.

    Trillanes reiterated that from a military or police operation perspective, a person who was given a mission should be responsible for it.

    “You cannot blame others if you failed because if you succeeded, you’re the one to be given the medal,” he further said.

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    De Lima: Aquino has no criminal liability over Mamasapano clash | Inquirer News

    Nakialam na si Fred Flinstone sa BOI report. Bakit hindi yung DOJ report ang pakialaman nya at let the people judge. Well, a loyal dog always follow the master order without thinking.

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    http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/679183/de-lima-aquino-has-no-criminal-liability-over-mamasapano-clash

    Nakialam na si Fred Flinstone sa BOI report. Bakit hindi yung DOJ report ang pakialaman nya at let the people judge. Well, a loyal dog always follow the master order without thinking.

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    i just appreciate the courage of PDIR MAGALONG for the comprehensive report. as senator lacson said, truth is everything even if it hurts the president. i hope that the president would be man enough to admit his mistakes. human as we are, we are bound to commit mistakes..

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    Ang Presidenteng nabola | Inquirer Global Nation

    14 million pinoys was fooled by this autistic only to admit he was fooled himself. Sabi nga ni FVR, his unpresidential.

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    http://globalnation.inquirer.net/119625/ang-presidenteng-nabola/

    14 million pinoys was fooled by this autistic only to admit he was fooled himself. Sabi nga ni FVR, his unpresidential.

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    the arrest by the combined forces of cidg, isapf, 6th ID, and others of muhammad ali tambako of united islamic movement for justice is highly commendable. that leaves kagui karialan of biff and wahid tundok of milf, but, for obvious reason, the arrest of the latter is next to impossible.

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    What can the Bangsa Moro people do? They can secede according to the international principle of erga omnis. Once they have seceded, they will vote to be federated with Malaysia. Aw!!

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    Regarding news that Igbal is a Malysian national...
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