What happens now? After Corona was found guilty?

[fourtheboys96]

I am not referring to SC only but to the whole of the country.

May mababago kaya sa bansa natin o sabi nga eh "weather weather lang".

Parang panahon ni Erap dati tapos naging panahon ni GMA at mga alipores niya.

Ngayon panahon naman ng KKK???

[uls]

from here on will all politicians be honest sa pag declare ng SALN?

alam natin lahat may hidden wealth lahat ng politician

[fourtheboys96]

from here on will all politicians be honest sa pag declare ng SALN?

alam natin lahat may hidden wealth lahat ng politician

I think most of us knows the answer to that. But I hope the media and the govt agencies who were very eager to divulged Corona's wealth will do the same to all suspected corrupt officials. IMO, Corona's removal will not make much of a dent in the corruption culture in the Philippines. Much of the corruption is done at the lower level of govt plus Filipinos tend to have short memories.

Another point I would like to raise is how to we remove corrupt senators and congressmen considering how our electorate vote.
JPE's reasoning that legislators are elected officials and that only the people can remove them does not really bode well considering how easily voters can be swayed by money during election time.

[Altis6453]

I think most of us knows the answer to that. But I hope the media and the govt agencies who were very eager to divulged Corona's wealth will do the same to all suspected corrupt officials. IMO, Corona's removal will not make much of a dent in the corruption culture in the Philippines. Much of the corruption is done at the lower level of govt plus Filipinos tend to have short memories.

Another point I would like to raise is how to we remove corrupt senators and congressmen considering how our electorate vote.
JPE's reasoning that legislators are elected officials and that only the people can remove them does not really bode well considering how easily voters can be swayed by money during election time.

It's really sad how the same corrupt politicians get elected over and over again despite their history. Compounding this problem is the seeming inability of our legislative branch to enact a law prohibiting political dynasties --- so it only serves to perpetuate politicians who are already in power by just having their sons, daughters, wives, etc. run for public office.

Dapat talaga sa atin is the "one and done" rule. If you're elected or appointed to government for a specific term, whether fixed or co-terminus, perpetually disqualified ka na to hold other positions in government, together with your immediate family.

[mina_nuka]

corruption in the country is very difficult to correct. we have the voters who do not think of the future but of the present. for example: whoever gives the most money for the vote gets it. some of our voters vote because the candidate is an "arteestah", maybe because he is popular. the candidates in turn spend millions of pesos to get elected when they know the total pay or entitlements for their term is only in the thousands of pesos. most voters are blind to this. majority of our candidates have personal agenda: to get rich quick no matter how dirty it is. and the voters too, are too naive to get these unscrupulous individuals elected. the voters too are to blame for these incompetents and undesirables in the office

[marg]

It's really sad how the same corrupt politicians get elected over and over again despite their history. Compounding this problem is the seeming inability of our legislative branch to enact a law prohibiting political dynasties --- so it only serves to perpetuate politicians who are already in power by just having their sons, daughters, wives, etc. run for public office.

Because in the Philippines, Politics is a Family Business.

[pop3corn]

from here on will all politicians be honest sa pag declare ng SALN?

alam natin lahat may hidden wealth lahat ng politician

then just apply what Miriam said - politicians will just use dummy names for ill-gotten wealth to escape SALN declaration.

Kaya nga ako di-pabor sa decision eh. We basically made it easier for big fishes to hide their wealth. Just maintain a clean slate SALN. or in general, lalo Lang natin pinababa standards natin for check and balance. Why do you think most of the senators voted for it? Maybe they saw a loophole that is potentially beneficial.

The supreme court is the only branch that totally scrutines evidences. Kung tuusin walang pulitika yun eh. Now we have tarred its image. the fall of Corona only diverted to the people na mas reliable ang legislative body in handling court cases and we all know naman that most of the senators voted cum reelection 2013.

Hay Pilipinas na mangmang at puros galit. Kung Minsan mas gusto ko pa sa Europe at US mag-stay, pero Syempre I cant outsmart 'em 4ever kaya kelangan ko umuwi at gumawa ng pera dito

[uls]

then just apply what Miriam said - politicians will just use dummy names for ill-gotten wealth to escape SALN declaration.

Kaya nga ako di-pabor sa decision eh. We basically made it easier for big fishes to hide their wealth. Just maintain a clean slate SALN. or in general, lalo Lang natin pinababa standards natin for check and balance. Why do you think most of the senators voted for it? Maybe they saw a loophole that is potentially beneficial.

The supreme court is the only branch that totally scrutines evidences. Kung tuusin walang pulitika yun eh. Now we have tarred its image. the fall of Corona only diverted to the people na mas reliable ang legislative body in handling court cases and we all know naman that most of the senators voted cum reelection 2013.

Hay Pilipinas na mangmang at puros galit. Kung Minsan mas gusto ko pa sa Europe at US mag-stay, pero Syempre I cant outsmart 'em 4ever kaya kelangan ko umuwi at gumawa ng pera dito

haha

madali i-outsmart ang masang pinoy?

[pop3corn]

haha

madali i-outsmart ang masang pinoy?

yep, the impeachment trial itself can be reversed by the supreme court. and yet a lot of people dedicated a lot of their time on it. in the end. They get the satisfaction like any other movie, bad guy lost. they breathe a sigh of relief.

parang subprime LNG yan *uls, Lehman, F&Mac fell pero kita mo mas lenient pa ngaun ang lending. sa 30k pede ka na magka-rio.

[uls]

yep, the impeachment trial itself can be reversed by the supreme court. and yet a lot of people dedicated a lot of their time on it. in the end. They get the satisfaction like any other movie, bad guy lost. they breathe a sigh of relief.

parang subprime LNG yan *uls, Lehman, F&Mac fell pero kita mo mas lenient pa ngaun ang lending. sa 30k pede ka na magka-rio.

OT yes very lenient lending dito sa Pinas

tingnan mo lang mga low downpayment sa mga new cars. sa mall lagi meron mga display ng iba't ibang brands na "50K ALL IN"

may credit boom sa Pinas. subprime ng oto

later on dadami ang bad loans. credit bust naman

[Gumusut_Amige]

then just apply what Miriam said - politicians will just use dummy names for ill-gotten wealth to escape SALN declaration.
Kaya nga ako di-pabor sa decision eh. We basically made it easier for big fishes to hide their wealth. Just maintain a clean slate SALN. or in general, lalo Lang natin pinababa standards natin for check and balance. Why do you think most of the senators voted for it? Maybe they saw a loophole that is potentially beneficial.

The supreme court is the only branch that totally scrutines evidences. Kung tuusin walang pulitika yun eh. Now we have tarred its image. the fall of Corona only diverted to the people na mas reliable ang legislative body in handling court cases and we all know naman that most of the senators voted cum reelection 2013.

Hay Pilipinas na mangmang at puros galit. Kung Minsan mas gusto ko pa sa Europe at US mag-stay, pero Syempre I cant outsmart 'em 4ever kaya kelangan ko umuwi at gumawa ng pera dito

using dummies is not new... imo naging katawa-tawa si brenda ng banggitin niya ito. hindi naman ganon kabobo ang lahat ng pinoy, the use of dummies started glaringly during macoy era. and look at them now... they are controlling our country's big businesses.
maganda sana kung si ferdi jr ang sumunod sa kanya sa pagbigay ng hatol... baka mag-iba ang magiging speech nito to insert and give defense on what they have done during his father's reign.

ang resulta ng proceeding na 'to will not deter the determined corrupt politicians to do their normal ways. pero yung iba ay magdadalawang isip na para gumawa ng kalokohan.

[Monseratto]

All impeachable goverment officials can now be thrown out of office by a incomplete SALN statement. Won't declaring P10,000 be any different from not declaring P80 million? Politicians IN OFFICE will now not cross PNoy, I'm sure his opponents/opponents-to-be will be double checking their past SALN. Yung mga remaining GMA justices will be sweating by now. Siguradong si Lapid daming butas sa SALN din...

[nervenllarena]

All impeachable goverment officials can now be thrown out of office by a incomplete SALN statement. Won't declaring P10,000 be any different from not declaring P80 million? Politicians IN OFFICE will now not cross PNoy, I'm sure his opponents/opponents-to-be will be double checking their past SALN. Yung mga remaining GMA justices will be sweating by now. Siguradong si Lapid daming butas sa SALN din...

daming congressman na kampi dati kay GMA ang kampi na ngayon kay Pnoy ibig sabihin tuloy ang ligaya hehehehe

[niky]

The question is to what extent do they hide it?

The Senate already publishes declared incomes for all the Senators, which goes up to the billions for guys like Villar.

Like Ralph Recto said: The question is to what extent the inaccuracy is... because it's very easy to be slightly inaccurate... but if the inaccuracy is in the millions.

Walang palusot ngayon. Because the Senate very publicly upheld the absolute importance of the SALN, everyone has to give it importance. If hearings for a SALN violation get blocked by political strength of numbers... they know now that when administrations change, they can be targetted and taken down.

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There is an important distinction between this trial and the Estrada trial. The Estrada trial had voting clearly split between the parties. The Corona trial had voting wherein only a few holdouts (three, to be exact) didn't vote with the majority.

The cynical might say that the swing votes only went with the majority because they were afraid of backlash during the elections. To this I say: GOOD!

That means that the politicians recognize that voters are savvy enough to understand the importance of transparency in government, which means that further prosecution for gross misrepresentation of SALN will be easier than this.

Votes can be bought. But not all of them. Giving money straight to people doesn't ensure their vote. As PGMA showed... you cannot buy individual ballots. You have to buy the district and cheat at that level, or have a religious group in your pocket... but the "block-vote" is over-rated, IMHO.

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It was important for Enrile to end the trial with his speech admonishing the prosecution (and I hope he pushes for an investigation of the prosecution panel)... because he has to make it clear that the only reason the witch hunt was successful was because there was a witch, and not merely because PNoy holds the majority.

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Susunod? Investigate the Senate. Start with Enrile...

[uls]

Much of the corruption is done at the lower level of govt

sorry but i don't agree with that

a lot of corruption happens at the highest levels of govt involving mind-boggling amounts of money

the wealthiest in the private sector all have friends in the highest levels govt

they help each other

[fourtheboys96]

sorry but i don't agree with that

a lot of corruption happens at the highest levels of govt involving mind-boggling amounts of money

the wealthiest in the private sector all have friends in the highest levels govt

they help each other

I think I have to clarify my statement because it depends on what levels of govt belongs to high or low.
I refer to high as in highest level (Pres, Congress and SC). mid- level as departments and attached agencies. Low local govt agencies. Lowestest the brgy level. This is just for me and not official of course.

The highest level receives the highest amt per transaction. But IMO, lower levels has the higher number.

[111prez]

new paradigm of transparency daw

tignan natin

:taunt: :coffee:

[fourtheboys96]

new paradigm of transparency daw

tignan natin

:taunt: :coffee:

sana may accountability din. may mga palpak na govt officials si ngoyngoy pero hindi maalis. e.g puno and llamas (stike two na nga si llamas)

[uls]

corruption is so entrenched in the Phils. it has become part of culture

the higher up you go mas grabe ang corruption

children of oligarchs don't even know that their families' wealth depended on corruption (bribing, giving commissions & kickbacks to govt officials, lobbying for laws to protect their businesses from competition etc)

[ecneret]

wala. ganon pa din. NGANGA!