Marcos; His reign vs. Noynoy's?

[Boy Bastos]

Tsaka nga pala karamihan ng victim ng Human Rights Violation noon ay mga NPA at mga komunista sa bundok, tuwang tuwa nga mga Ogags na yan nung nawala si Marcos eh, yung tito ko na retired na sundalo asar na asar kapag Ninoy Aquino day, sbe nya: bakit ba ginawa pang bayani yan eh wala naman yan ginawa noon kundi kontrahin ang maayos na pamamalakad ni Marcos

Sundalo pala tiyuhin mo eh nung time na yun. Sino ba hari nung time na yun? Kulang na lang gawin 10-star general ni Macoy si Fabian Ver.

At baka naman kumita ang tiyuhin mo noon? :D

Bakit dumami ang NPA? Dahil sa mga power abuses ng military.

Bakit nag-abuse ang mga military? Sila ang hari that time. Walang congress. Walang media. Bawal magreklamo. Ang magreklamo either kulong or salvage.

[jdee12]

Hehe, just read the book "Greed and Betrayal".
Medyo mahirap na hanapin itong libro na ito, pero diyan niyo maiintindihan ang mga nangyari noon.

[yapoy86]

sa mga umabot nung marcos era... describe nyo nga ang 2 year na pamamalakad ni marcos sa 2 years ni pnoy.. mali yung 21 years vs 2 years comparison eh...dapat yung pantay lang...

ngayon sa pamamalakad ni Pnoy.. kakayanin nyo ba yan for 21 years??

si marcos naaalala natin dun sa mga huling panahon na nya... pero how about the early years?? yun ang dapat din natin tignan...

ayon sa mga kuwento si ninoy ay hindi pinapauwi sa pilipinas noon pero makulet at umuwi pa din... sa tingin ko hindi ipapatay ni marcos si ninoy kasi alam nya yun ang magpapabagsak sa kanya... di ba matalino yan si marcos.. ngayon sila enrile at ramos may mga binabalak.. silang dalawa nag setup nyan... una si enrile nag umarte para ma declare martial law.. 2nd pinapatay si ninoy para sa edsa 1 magkasama si enrile at ramos noon... success!!! naging president si cory... next president si ramos.. ngayon si enrile senate president...

[greenlyt]

sa mga umabot nung marcos era... describe nyo nga ang 2 year na pamamalakad ni marcos sa 2 years ni pnoy.. mali yung 21 years vs 2 years comparison eh...dapat yung pantay lang...

ngayon sa pamamalakad ni Pnoy.. kakayanin nyo ba yan for 21 years??

si marcos naaalala natin dun sa mga huling panahon na nya... pero how about the early years?? yun ang dapat din natin tignan...

ayon sa mga kuwento si ninoy ay hindi pinapauwi sa pilipinas noon pero makulet at umuwi pa din... sa tingin ko hindi ipapatay ni marcos si ninoy kasi alam nya yun ang magpapabagsak sa kanya... di ba matalino yan si marcos.. ngayon sila enrile at ramos may mga binabalak.. silang dalawa nag setup nyan... una si enrile nag umarte para ma declare martial law.. 2nd pinapatay si ninoy para sa edsa 1 magkasama si enrile at ramos noon... success!!! naging president si cory... next president si ramos.. ngayon si enrile senate president...

hindi rin ata dapat i-compare yun first 2 years ni marcos sa first 2 years ni [noy, unang una marcos was originally a Liberal party member since the encumbent president was also liberal party and was running for reelection ang ginawa ni marcos was to transfer to nationalista party dun palang kitang kita na he was after the power, hindi siya makapaghintay isa siya sa pinaka unang balimbing

[vinj]

Sundalo pala tiyuhin mo eh nung time na yun. Sino ba hari nung time na yun? Kulang na lang gawin 10-star general ni Macoy si Fabian Ver.

At baka naman kumita ang tiyuhin mo noon? :D

Bakit dumami ang NPA? Dahil sa mga power abuses ng military.

Bakit nag-abuse ang mga military? Sila ang hari that time. Walang congress. Walang media. Bawal magreklamo. Ang magreklamo either kulong or salvage.

Baka may Rolex yung tiyuhin niya. ;)

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That JERK deserved what happened to him. Actually Kulang pa.

Actually, the Marcoses are quite a lucky bunch. They got off without being hanged and if you look at things today, they never really lost power.

hindi rin ata dapat i-compare yun first 2 years ni marcos sa first 2 years ni [noy, unang una marcos was originally a Liberal party member since the encumbent president was also liberal party and was running for reelection ang ginawa ni marcos was to transfer to nationalista party dun palang kitang kita na he was after the power, hindi siya makapaghintay isa siya sa pinaka unang balimbing

There was a Liberal Senator, Roseller T. Lim (from Zamboanga), whom i read about before. The guy filibustered for 18 hours to stalll a vote for Senate Presidency while they awaited a fellow Liberal party member to arrive from the US and cast his vital, deciding vote (and thus prevent Marcos from the Senate Presidency which was a vital cog to his step to the presidency). When the partymate arrived, Sen. Lim cast his vote and just collapsed and was brought to the hospital due to exhaustion. The sad thing: the partymate was a turncoat who voted for Marcos and he was thus elected Senate President. Rumor has it Marcos bought out the guy and paid for the US trip he just came back from.

[CoDer]

Hehe, just read the book "Greed and Betrayal".
Medyo mahirap na hanapin itong libro na ito, pero diyan niyo maiintindihan ang mga nangyari noon.

Mag noynoying ka na lang. Typical aktibista mentality na walang alam.

Muntik kaming mawalan ng ama dahil lintek ma panahon ni macoy na yan. At kelan gumanda takbo ng economy during his power?

Hacienda ka ng hacienda bilhin nyo yung lupa.

[marg]

Would you prefer our country being led by Ferdinand Marcos over Noynoy? -- or over the people who led the country after Marcos' reign.

It has been said that Marcos had lots of good plans for our country, and it was the people who surrounded him that made him look bad and led him to his own downfall.

Marcos was also considered as a visionary.

Your thoughts?

In case you missed it, the Philippines experienced a SOVEREIGN DEFAULT, in other words, na-BANKRUPT ang Pilipinas.

The country was put to her knees in Debt.

Visionary my ASS.

That JERK deserved what happened to him. Actually Kulang pa.

[andywesteast]

In case you missed it, the Philippines experienced a SOVEREIGN DEFAULT, in other words, na-BANKRUPT ang Pilipinas.

The country was put to her knees in Debt.

Visionary my ASS.

That JERK deserved what happened to him. Actually Kulang pa.

That Marcos should have been hung by his Balls.

[A121]

In case you missed it, the Philippines experienced a SOVEREIGN DEFAULT, in other words, na-BANKRUPT ang Pilipinas.

The country was put to her knees in Debt.

Visionary my ASS.

That JERK deserved what happened to him. Actually Kulang pa.

Yeah. Filipinos forgive and forget, and try to move backwards! And so, we are in this shiz together!

Baka after Noynoy, si Bongbong naman ang presidente natin.

[greenlyt]

military abuse during marcos time was phenomenal kaya contrary to the belief of others mas dumami ang rebelion during his presidency, imagine ang comment ng friend ko ng makita niya na my uncle was a militray officer: "pare militar pala tito, pwde na tayo pumatay"

[CoDer]

In case you missed it, the Philippines experienced a SOVEREIGN DEFAULT, in other words, na-BANKRUPT ang Pilipinas.

The country was put to her knees in Debt.

Visionary my ASS.

That JERK deserved what happened to him. Actually Kulang pa.

Mismo. Yet almost all masa don't know this.

[greenlyt]

Mismo. Yet almost all masa don't know this.

what do you expect from the masas, kaya nga nakabalik sa power ang mga marcoses

[niky]

what do you expect from the masas, kaya nga nakabalik sa power ang mga marcoses

As if that 20+ billion dollar debt appeared overnight.

People sometimes forget that most of the problems we've had with the economy over the past thirty years are due to the fact that we're paying billions of pesos every month in debt servicing due to debt incurred for the most part under Marcos.

Very easy to make the country "prosperous" and to "solve" financial problems when you put the entire country in hock.

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Sometimes, in the other threads, I'm shocked by how many people have forgotten fuel price rises and protests under Gloria... or the groans of protest back in the 90's when, due to the Oil Price Stabilization Fund, whenever there was a fuel price rollback, prices would stay high to "regenerate" the fund.

Short memories, indeed.

[greenlyt]

As if that 20+ billion dollar debt appeared overnight.

People sometimes forget that most of the problems we've had with the economy over the past thirty years are due to the fact that we're paying billions of pesos every month in debt servicing due to debt incurred for the most part under Marcos.

Very easy to make the country "prosperous" and to "solve" financial problems when you put the entire country in hock.

and the nerve of that bongbong saying if his father wasnt overthrown Philippines could have been another Singapore

[shadow]

Those who don't learn mistakes from the past are doomed to repeat it...

[vinj]

From: In old Marcos photo, fantasies of Bongbong following in dictator

[Monseratto]

Obvious if your intention is to stay long in power, you should have a plan. Pero for each project signed , may kickback si Apo Ferdie at Imelda. And most of the time, most projects go to the cronies. Inadopt ng society ang ganitong corruption hangang ngayon. *

[pop3corn]

Would you prefer our country being led by Ferdinand Marcos over Noynoy? -- or over the people who led the country after Marcos' reign.

It has been said that Marcos had lots of good plans for our country, and it was the people who surrounded him that made him look bad and led him to his own downfall.

Marcos was also considered as a visionary.

Your thoughts?

It was not until I went to Europe when I truly realized what Marcos and Imelda are up to. as you can see Imelda is building landmarks in the Philippines with her so many numerous ambitious projects. it's true that it cost so much money and even lives but they had a dream - a long term one. something that the new generations of Filipinos can be proud of.

let's take for example, Singapore, HK and Sokor, the only reason why they are hot destinations in Asia by tourists around the world is bec. they have landmarks worth visiting. compare this to Vietnam / Cambodia and others like us, and even though we have malls, we are still considered low-class and therefore, is not worth of\\ the respect of developed nations.

wala eh ganun talaga eh, if we want big time foreigners to know our country, they would enter as tourists first, and when they're impressed, they will invest the 2nd time around they go here.

let's take for example, Rome and the whole of Italy, Italy is no different from us, hindi naman maganda talaga siya, mainit din, in fact it's old like Manila old, I even saw some slum-looking houses in Venice but the thing is they have these landmarks worthy of visiting and that's why tourists flock in.


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regarding naman dun sa allegations of Marcos summarily executing Filipinos, i'm beginning to understand why. Filipinos are just chronic complainers and blamers. magsisimula ka pala ng isang beatification project, puros batikos, complaints, tira dito tira doon, and when sensationalized, the project is marred with corruption.

hindi nyo ba alam ang nangyayari ngaun, what we have is Philippines run hell by Filipinos. out there, 10 years ago, we see jeepneys and buses, today, there is "progress", there are UV express, taxis, it's almost as if all money that we get is invested in public transpo. instead na public services ito like in any other developed nation, this public transportation systems become a lucrative profitable business na naka-tie up na din sa pagtaas ng gasolina. sa Europe sa US, rising gasoline dictates tightening of belts and reevaluation of existing systems for making it more efficient and effective. dito we spend more on a resource (public vehicles) that is in dangerous of having an oversupply - or a bubble waiting to burst.

During Marcos time, he knew the danger of too many public transports in roads, that's despite numerous attempts noon by complainers/ people to portray an image that we lacked public transport back then. it doesn't even need Marcos' intelligence for him to figure out na walang pupuntahan ang sobrang daming public transport dito, all he has to do is visit developed countries and compare.

if we are to read the minds / motives of these people profiting/benefiting from public transports (traffic aides, drivers, owners, political backers), they would wish na sana most Filipinos would not afford to maintain a car anymore and instead mag-public transport na lang - and that would translate to bigger profits for them. and that is backwards progress. instead, na nagagamit ang mga resources available for us this time to propel us to the next decade, we are just creating problems that will make us more handicapped in the future, while others countries continue to overtake us.

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another point is that ZTE deal, too many Filipinos complained that GMA is corrupting much of the money for that project. when was that 3 or 4 years ago? where is the fund for that project now? malamang na-rechannel din, and ubos na, and to another corruption deal na fortunate enough na hindi dumaan sa sensationalizing media.

if that ZTE deal push through, at least computerization and network infrastructure within our government, nag-start na sana if not our government is totally connected by now. who cares about the corrupted money, kung nagagamit naman isang project that will improve our logistics and operation, ok lang dwell on that benefit. eh ngaun, our government are still using what PLDT dsl lol. the government needs a seperate network communications infrastructure from the private.

tapos ngaun people are complaining about this China incursion. what are they thinking if we had 50 F-16s and 50 destroyers, may laban tayo sa China. so what if we really did have those war weapons, pano mo i-cordinate yun mga yun during war, sa unli-plan ng globe / smart?

we are indeed such a lowly race with so much time to open our mouths for complaints/blames and think we are on the side of good, bec. somehow if we are anti-corrupt, we think of ourselves as moral. we don't have the guts to think beyond the limits of social morals, and that's why up to now, ganito tayo.

if someone complains that he is an underdog, we immediately sympathize. yan ang sigaw ng marginalized drivers and puvs and activists natin, mahirap sila, intindihin natin sila. eto effect nyan, we have so much puvs on the road and anarchy, they don't pay taxes , they make us stressed even before going to work and make us late for work. and still we symphatize with them. ganun din yun cry ng corruption for every government project/deal, hindi pa nagsisimula sira na ang vision/confidence.

kung titignan nga natin, who really funds the reds/activist, whom we casually imitate with their complaints against corruption, is it the communist movement? who are the communists in our region? hindi ba't ito yun dalawang binu-bully tayo ngaun - the other one without care /remorse na bagsakan tayo ng missile. we complain so much -> we don't progress -> we can't defend.

If we think deeper, this is Art of War applied to us. hindi na kailangan magpadala pa ng battleships ang China dito, talo na kagad tayo from within by psych warfare. and it even costs less too. just find complainers slash nationalists, encourage their cries / shouts - (na kung tutuusin, bakit ba sila talaga galit na galit sa mundo, is it bec. of bad childhood and they want company to their misery) and then we have a disunite country.


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Marcos had a vision, but too bad his vision was not supported by most of the people of his time. para syang time traveler of the future in his time who had so much ideas for his country, too bad nga lang his people are primitive. they didn't share his vision, and even the sacrifices that they all had to make in that generation to pursue such a vision.

and as the younger generation, we should not buy that crap na lagi sinasabi ng mga matatanda, na ang kabataan ang kinabukasan. oo kinabukasan - taga-bayad ng utang nila, ng mga kapalpakan at pagpapakasarap nila. read history, learn to analyze it and act accordingly. our generation now has a very important ally - technology. something that the old can't/won't understand, and dun natin matatalo yun whatever na fini-feed nila sa'tin ngaun na only products of their failures.

[Monseratto]

To those who have misplaced grandeur of Marcos vision for the country, do not forget the country was bankrupt and in sovereign default toward the end during Marcoses' 21 year reign. What vision are you talking about?

[cutedoc]

marcos is long gone but why the need to compare him to the present and past presidents, is it because he's dictatorship earned philippines a second look at the map.

marcos is intelligent and i assumed that during those times, he made a program that would made marcoses own the philippines even after fernidand dies, philippines was in debt but arent we still now?

those were the days when $1 is 12pesos ( this is the earliest i could recall)...

however marcos run the philippines then was good as compared to his successors, if you dissect the whole 21 years of his reign and let an finance analysist and an economist graph the data extracted he could say that philippines was in good hands then even with the debts...

BUT, we should not bring back the dead moreover focuses on the present and future, we must be intelligent enough to oversee what our future lies with the existing president and the coming one, and put in mind that it is not JUST fun in the philippines...