Lumalaki ang hypocrisy?

[Emgeesy]

ito ay opinion ko lang po at sana ay respetuhin din natin opinion ng iba. here goes...

as far as im concerned, wala ako nakikita na mali sa pag invest o pagpapalago ng pera ng catholic church. ano ba gusto natin? gastosin nila lahat ng pera sa pagpapakain at pag relocate ng mga squatters o mahihirap sa pinas? do you think feeding the people would solve their inadequacies?

para sa akin, hindi naman tama na turuan natin ang mga less fortunate na maging dependent. para sa akin, mas mabuti pa na bigyan sila ng educasyon para sa ganon ay matulungan nila ang sarili nila permanently and not temporarily.

aminado ako na madami pagkukulang at pagkakamali ang simbahang katoliko. wala naman siguro perpekto sa mundo. dapat lang sana ay tulungan nalang natin ang bawat pilipino kahit anu man ang relihiyon nila.

wag na sana tayo magsalita ng masasakit dahil sa karamihan sa atin ay katoliko. malalim at malawak ang kanilang pananampalatay kahat dapat ay respetuhin natin ang kanilang paniniwala sa kanilang simbahan. wag na din natin lagyan ng malisya at pagkapuot kung tayo man ay hindi nananalig o naniniwala sa kanila.

ang simbahang katoliko ay madami din naman natutulungan na pilipino. hindi lang natin alam kung ano ano iyon dahil sa ang simbahang katoliko ay hindi mahilig sa PR o paghayag ng kanilang tulong.

madami na din po natulungan ang simabahan katoliko maliban sa pagpapalawak ng pananampalataya kay jesus. eto ang mga halimbawa ng kanilang mga nagawa na at kasalukuyang ginagawa.

- eskwelahan at libreng edukasyon para sa mahirap in every parochial town and community.

- pag bibigay tulong sa mga namatayan at libreng palibing at libreng puntod sa kanilang sementeryo.

- pabahay sa mahihirap at community learning centers all over the philippines. isa na dito ang pag supporta sa gawad kalinga and habitat for humanity.

- pag gabay sa mga taong at pagpapalaganap ng kristianismo o pananalig sa diyos.

- pag bigay tulong sa mga nasalanta ng bagyo at ibat ibang kalamidad.

- pag bigay trabaho sa mga nangangailangan.

madami pa mga bagay na naitutulong ang simbahang katoliko. wag naman sana natin ibalewala ang mga kanilang naitulong at sana ay respetuhin natin ang kanilang ginagawa. sana naman ay wag natin sisihin ang simbahan katoliko sa kakulangan ng gobyerno natin. we should help hand in hand in uplifting our life and not pointing the blame or condemning others by their deeds.

[Ms Homer]

oist Ms Homer, ikaw talaga o, hindi ako BAC, whatever that is, hehehe.

born again christian.

[Emgeesy]

matagal ko na alam yan kaya nga hindi narin ako nagsisimba eh simula ng mamulat ako sa katotohanan na lokohan lng yan!

naaawa ako sa mga myembro nyan na uto uto.

yun mama ko nga sinabihan ko lam mo ba sa history ang daming pinapatay ng simbahan? sbi sakin ah tlaga ganun ba----hindi makapaniwala

parang corporation dapat magdeclare din sila ng gano kalaki assets nila o net worth para mai-rank sila at para magkaalaman na

biruin mo umaasa lng sila sa halos lahat libre ang laki pa ng contributions tapos pag may ipapagawa sa simbahan ibang singilan pa yun. eh san kaya napunta yun regular contrubutions nila.

nagkaron na sa eye-witness ata yun documentary sa kng san ba napupunta ang mga donasyon sa simbahan sayang di ko napanood. matanong ko lng. ilan posryento ba sa bawat piso na binibigay ntin sa kanila ang napupunta sa vatican?

kapatid, napakasakit mo naman mag salita. medyo hinay hinay konti.
for your information at baka hindi mo alam, ang konstitution natin ay may provision na seperate ang relihiyon sa gobyerno. as long as it is non-profit, they are exempted from taxes. like a foundation, the supposed taxes are coursed thru the non-profit orgs and are documented. kahit sa US at ibang bansa ay ganyan din ang systema. lahat ng religious organizations are of the same plane.

we dont know exactly how much goes to the vatican or the philippine church's coffers. that we dont exactly know. pero one thing is for sure, they are helping our fellow countrymen in their plight more than our government do.

imagine this, tuwing nagsisimba ang katoliko, minsan P5 o P10 lang nabibigay nila sa misa, isipin mo naman ang mga mamamayang pilipino, libo libo kada buwan ang binibigay nila sa gobyerno natin? eh bakit hanggang ngayon eh wala ngyayari sa mahihirap. ang mahirap lalo naghihirap. ang mayaman lalo yumayaman? sa tingin ninyo sino mas hypocrite sa dalawa?

ang simbahan ay madami din gastosin(overhead /operating cost). nagbabayad din sila kuryente, ilaw, tubig, transportation, food, housing etc. alangan naman hindi nila bayaran ang mga iyon?

let's not justify our beliefs by disparaging other religions without hard facts. we should respect them and they will respect you, atheist or not.

p.s. ako po ay isang katoliko pero hindi sarado katoliko. hindi po ako naniniwala sa rosario, sa paghipo ng idols, sa pagpapalaki ng populasyon atbp. ganun pa man, ako po ay naniniwala sa tulong at importansya na binibigay ng simbahang katoliko sa mamayanan.

peace po mga kapatid.

[Emgeesy]

FYI:

Properties Administration Department of the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Manila:

HISTORY

The Trust Department of the Arzobispado de Manila has been in existence since the institution of the Office of the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Manila. Incorporated with the Treasury Department, it was manned by 3 personnel.
In 1996, the Curia realized that there are complex services demanded in the stewardship of the Church’s temporalities. The demand to professionalize the office was addressed to on July 1, 1996. The Moderator Curiae with the concurrence of the members of the Executive Committee separated the Trust Department from the Treasury Department and renamed it as Properties Administration Department (PAD).
The first head of PAD was Rev. Fr. Cesar V. Buhat who was then the Assistant Treasurer of the Archdiocese since 1990. He was assisted by Mr. Antonio B. Ramirez and five lay staff. On September 1, 2002, Rev Fr. Domingo Asuncion was appointed to succeed Fr. Cesar Buhat.
On October 1, 2002, the �Administrative� section of the Administrative and Personnel Department, together with its 2 personnel, was transferred to PAD. To date, PAD has 2 sections: the Properties section which deals with the different properties/assets (immovable) of the Archdiocese of Manila; and Administrative section which deals with the needs of the different offices of Arzobispado de Manila. PAD is now staffed with 8 lay personnel.�


VISION

Strengthening Church�s temporalities, making most of what is left for the benefit of its apostolate and for the service of more people.
MISSION

To provide services demanded in the stewardship of the Church’s temporalities thus, preserving and administering all the properties of the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Manila putting them to use in accordance with the pre-established goals.
OBJECTIVES/ GOALS

The Preservation and improvement of the goods or assets;
The natural or artificial production and preservation of fruits derived from such properties or temporalities; and
The application of the fruits to the proper objectives.



DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES

PROPERTIES

• Safeguards, maintains and monitors properties of Obras Pias and RCAM;
• Maintains complete inventory of all RCAM properties;
• Maintains and updates records of the properties, equipment and its improvements of the Archdiocese;
• Keeps in custody land titles of all Real Estate Properties of the Archdiocese;
• Collects and bills accounts related to administration of properties;
• Facilitates acquisition of newly acquired properties by sale or donation;
• Facilitates sale of properties and prepare documentation;
• Processes registration or transfers of properties acquired by sale or donation in the name of the Archdiocese as well as the payments of real estate taxes;
• Facilitates properties used as collateral on mortgaged loans.

ADMINISTRATIVE

• Oversees the upkeep of the Arzobispado building and its premises;
• Ensures that service vehicles are in proper order;
• Provides skill services regarding repairs and maintenance of the Arzobispado building as well as office equipment, tools, appliances and vehicles;
• Manages the security and janitorial services of the Arzobispado;
• Handles the mailing and printing requirements of RCAM offices;
• Provides the purchasing requirements of Arzobispado offices in accordance with established purchasing procedures;
• Monitors the insurances of RCAM buildings and motor vehicles;
• Administers the operation and bookings of Arzobispado common facilities as well as Villa San Jose in Tagaytay City and Mt. Peace in Baguio City.

[Emgeesy]

This

I was doing a little research about the Philippine banks, when I came across a fact, and I searched for more details about it. Here's an excerpt from the wikipedia.org entry:

"The archdiocese is considered to be one of the richest archdioceses in the world, and the richest in the Philippines. It has a considerable number of real estate holdings located in Metro Manila and financial interests in some institutions, even after the division of its territories in the past few years. For one, the archdiocese owns 8.5% of Bank of the Philippine Islands the Philippines' second largest bank and has shares in San Miguel Corporation, Southeast Asia's largest food and beverage company. The archdiocese also owns schools, hostels, charitable institutions and a travel agency."

It is referring to the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Manila. I don't mean to raise a religious debate here, or to insult religious persons, meron na kasi pati akong related thread, but since when naging business entity ang isang archdiocese, morally and legally?

Namumulat na ako sa hypocrisy ng church.

This will answer your queries and doubts.

CATHOLIC TRAVEL, INC.

Pope Pius XII, Catholic Center
1175 U.N. Ave., Paco, Manila
Tel: 523-2013; 523-2039; 523-2523; 523-2528
Fax: 525-6747Fr. David T. Concepcion


On August 3,1961, His Eminence Rufino cardinal Santos, DD, then Archbishop of Manila, inaugurated� the catholic Travel, Inc. (CTI) to service the travel requirements of the Church in the country.� His aspiration was that through this archdiocesan travel office, the Church in the Philippines, the sole Christian country in South East Asia, would intensify its missionary task of spreading the Gospel to the different corners of Asia.� It was a vision of a missionary and evangelizing Church that inspired the creation of Catholic Travel.
Today, after almost four decades, Catholic Travel continues to live up to its vision and commitment to through promoting pilgrimage as an effective instrument of evangelization and spiritual renewal as it sends its clergy, religious and lay faithful to venerate and pray in the various sacred shrines around the world.
Catholic Travel, having served our people for almost four decades, boasts of stability and a length of service no other travel agency in the Philippines can beat.
Catholic Travel is staffed� by 13 dedicated and committed employees who unselfishly and untiringly cater to the travel needs of its customers.
Under this new Management Team, Catholic Travel gears up for a more dynamic and higher quality performance as an RCAM (The Roman Catholic Archbishop of Manila) corporation.
The objectives o f the Catholic Travel are:

• to organize, promote and facilitate religious pilgrimages as an effective tool for evangelization
• to service the travel requirements of the clergy, religious pilgrimages as an effective tool for evangelization.
• to have a profitable business undertaking to support the financial requirements of RCAM's ministries and apostolates.

Ref: http://www.rcam.org/ministry/tempora...olictravel.htm

[boydapa]

pcensya na embassy nasabi ko ksi uto uto ksi ako uto uto dati eh hehe

ok ka din ah saludo ako syo para kang si bunye magpaliwanag hindi naaasar pwede ka sa malacanan hehe

tignan mo naman ang dami ng secta na tumiwalag eh tignan mo naman mga may ari nyan ngayon mga bilyonaryo eh kokonti lng myembro nyan kumpara sa simbahan so dun plang makikita mo na kng gano kadami naibulsa ng simbahan diba. ang lakas nila magsalita na makamahirap sila samatalang yun namamalimos o walang matirhan ni hindi na nila pinapapasok pag gabi.

tsaka yan simbahan dapat tigilan na nila yan prayer power nilang gimik puro tayo dasal wala naman narating samantalang yun ibang karatig bansa natin ni hindi nagdadasal mga yan(i mean catoliko) eh napagiwanan na tayo. lahat ng malas napunta satin sila puro bwenas.

[pitbullz]

dati akong catholic...ngayon...hindi na...(duh)

[cutedoc]

i am not sure if this is a joke or a reality and truth but i agree with the later respond, here it goes, a high ranking priest in our town will be having his birthday next friday, he jokingly said, that to those who would like to donate for our church in cash that would be good, in kind those are what we will partake, then somebody ask "priest diba bawal ang lechon kasi biyernes?" the priest answered, indeed it is prohibited, but we could partake the lechon and in return will do a more notable sacrifice...

tama ba to?

imo, it doesnt matter, if i eat pork or beef or i dont eat at all, the sacrifice must some form within willingly and whole heartedly, so i will be one of those partaking the lechon next friday, but i do eat pork on fridays of lent.

somewhat OT: ive talked with a pastor regarding the differences of roman catholic teachings and christian ways, he told me that both are correct, however roman catholic church based their account on some old doctrines, or in todays time deliberated by the conference of bishop like that of CBCP, however christian way are all based on the bible.

so whats the difference between all the christian, there are several, evangelical, charismatic, born again, they differ in the way the teach the word of god.

if christianity is purely based on what the bible says, what about, ang dating daan, ang tamang daan, they include the old testament in their ways, and they take the literal meaning of what it stated without analyzing further what is meant, its like they grab a verse on each section of the bible to produce and answer to any of our question, which is relatively incorrect.

so what about, ink, seventh day adventist, jehovah witnesses, mormons, they do use the same bible but they translate it differently and they have injected some of their norms and belief, including tradition and old popular practices.

and what about buddism, hiduism, taoism, and being a moslem which follows a different book which is koran, buddha is like jesus in real life form, he practices a genuine and godly way of living, moslem worships allah and vows over what koran says which however is different form what the bible says.

my talk with the pastor is way more than this, above are just the summary, to know more about God and what he is to say, read the bible, if you dont understand it then have a companion or a guidance with somebody who have more knowledge on it, join a bible study to learn more about God.

-the good thing about what the pastor told me was, your belief, your faith will come form the heart, you yourself will be wanting to know more about god, its not enough to be good but you know why you are being good=)

[froshie1]

I was doing a little research about the Philippine banks, when I came across a fact, and I searched for more details about it. Here's an excerpt from the wikipedia.org entry:

"The archdiocese is considered to be one of the richest archdioceses in the world, and the richest in the Philippines. It has a considerable number of real estate holdings located in Metro Manila and financial interests in some institutions, even after the division of its territories in the past few years. For one, the archdiocese owns 8.5% of Bank of the Philippine Islands the Philippines' second largest bank and has shares in San Miguel Corporation, Southeast Asia's largest food and beverage company. The archdiocese also owns schools, hostels, charitable institutions and a travel agency."

It is referring to the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Manila. I don't mean to raise a religious debate here, or to insult religious persons, meron na kasi pati akong related thread, but since when naging business entity ang isang archdiocese, morally and legally?

Namumulat na ako sa hypocrisy ng church.

LOLOLOLLOL.... Source wikipedia... Anybody can edit info in Wikipedia.

[n2knee]

ang konstitution natin ay may provision na seperate ang relihiyon sa gobyerno.

:lol: nakasulat nga sa constitution natin pero sinusonud ba? :lol: kaliwa't kanan ang pakikialam ng RC sa mga political affairs ng bansa magmula noong 1986.