Lumalaki ang hypocrisy?

[AeonBlaire]

I was doing a little research about the Philippine banks, when I came across a fact, and I searched for more details about it. Here's an excerpt from the wikipedia.org entry:

"The archdiocese is considered to be one of the richest archdioceses in the world, and the richest in the Philippines. It has a considerable number of real estate holdings located in Metro Manila and financial interests in some institutions, even after the division of its territories in the past few years. For one, the archdiocese owns 8.5% of Bank of the Philippine Islands the Philippines' second largest bank and has shares in San Miguel Corporation, Southeast Asia's largest food and beverage company. The archdiocese also owns schools, hostels, charitable institutions and a travel agency."

It is referring to the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Manila. I don't mean to raise a religious debate here, or to insult religious persons, meron na kasi pati akong related thread, but since when naging business entity ang isang archdiocese, morally and legally?

Namumulat na ako sa hypocrisy ng church.

[n2knee]

so most likely the money they invested came from public donations and possibly some of the real estate holdings they own may have been donated as well. i say they have a good financial advisor. now only if we can convince them to share their wealth to the needy instead of using their wealth to settle for crimes committed by their members.....

[uls]

it is well known that the Catholic church is one of the biggest and oldest depositors of BPI.

Mayaman ang Catholic church sa Pinas.

If the catholic church is a family... it can be considered an old-rich family. Like the Zobel de Ayalas

Ano ba akala ng mga tao?

Nabubuhay ang Catholic church sa barya?

haha

[Altis6453]

Hmmm, I wonder how much they get from donations coming from the government or agencies like PAGCOR, PCSO, etc? Should be interesting.

[fourtheboys96]

kung si bro. mike maraming "love donations", paano pa kaya ang mga catholic diocese?

hindi naman siguro hyprocrisy kung invest nila yung pera nila para ito ay kumita. basta sana sa tamang paraan nila gamitin at wag sa sariling kapakanan. magdonate sila ng classrooms, free medical check up etc....

[Ms Homer]

di nga ba nananawagan ang gobyerno sa kanila tungkol dito sa squaters relocations.

kasi nga tuwing may demulation ay kinakampihan nila ang mga squaters pero wala naman silang ginagawang tunay na solution maliban na lang sa kunting food sharing at catechism. katwiran nila gobyernong problema daw yun.

aba eh sa dami pala ng mga lupain nila ba.

but i doubt na tutulong sila. kasi katwiran nila naka saad sa bibliya. "tulungan mo sarili mo....etc..."

NOTE lang po:
huwag naman sana po na ang thread na ito maging anti-catholic. o di kaya ang TS ay isang BAC and likes na may hidden agenda dito.

[uls]

Bawal ang artificial birth control...

wala daw tayo problema sa overpopulation...

Sabi ng catholic church hindi daw population ang cause ng poverty...

Ang cause ng poverty daw is unequal distribution of wealth...

ooookaaaay....

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Baket pabor ang Catholic church sa dumadaming tao?

Syempre dagdag na members!

kung 90,000,000 ngayon ang pinoy, and majority are automatic Roman Catholics by birth,

What more kung naging 180,000,000 ang pinoy?

[boydapa]

matagal ko na alam yan kaya nga hindi narin ako nagsisimba eh simula ng mamulat ako sa katotohanan na lokohan lng yan!

naaawa ako sa mga myembro nyan na uto uto.

yun mama ko nga sinabihan ko lam mo ba sa history ang daming pinapatay ng simbahan? sbi sakin ah tlaga ganun ba----hindi makapaniwala

parang corporation dapat magdeclare din sila ng gano kalaki assets nila o net worth para mai-rank sila at para magkaalaman na

biruin mo umaasa lng sila sa halos lahat libre ang laki pa ng contributions tapos pag may ipapagawa sa simbahan ibang singilan pa yun. eh san kaya napunta yun regular contrubutions nila.

nagkaron na sa eye-witness ata yun documentary sa kng san ba napupunta ang mga donasyon sa simbahan sayang di ko napanood. matanong ko lng. ilan posryento ba sa bawat piso na binibigay ntin sa kanila ang napupunta sa vatican?

[Honda97]

well, in terms of real estate, if almost all the land that churches are built on are owned by the church. that must be quite a lot.

i guess, the church is one institution that would have to rely on endowments and proper financial management.

[Emgeesy]

matagal ko na alam yan kaya nga hindi narin ako nagsisimba eh simula ng mamulat ako sa katotohanan na lokohan lng yan!

naaawa ako sa mga myembro nyan na uto uto.

yun mama ko nga sinabihan ko lam mo ba sa history ang daming pinapatay ng simbahan? sbi sakin ah tlaga ganun ba----hindi makapaniwala

parang corporation dapat magdeclare din sila ng gano kalaki assets nila o net worth para mai-rank sila at para magkaalaman na

biruin mo umaasa lng sila sa halos lahat libre ang laki pa ng contributions tapos pag may ipapagawa sa simbahan ibang singilan pa yun. eh san kaya napunta yun regular contrubutions nila.

nagkaron na sa eye-witness ata yun documentary sa kng san ba napupunta ang mga donasyon sa simbahan sayang di ko napanood. matanong ko lng. ilan posryento ba sa bawat piso na binibigay ntin sa kanila ang napupunta sa vatican?

kapatid, napakasakit mo naman mag salita. medyo hinay hinay konti.
for your information at baka hindi mo alam, ang konstitution natin ay may provision na seperate ang relihiyon sa gobyerno. as long as it is non-profit, they are exempted from taxes. like a foundation, the supposed taxes are coursed thru the non-profit orgs and are documented. kahit sa US at ibang bansa ay ganyan din ang systema. lahat ng religious organizations are of the same plane.

we dont know exactly how much goes to the vatican or the philippine church's coffers. that we dont exactly know. pero one thing is for sure, they are helping our fellow countrymen in their plight more than our government do.

imagine this, tuwing nagsisimba ang katoliko, minsan P5 o P10 lang nabibigay nila sa misa, isipin mo naman ang mga mamamayang pilipino, libo libo kada buwan ang binibigay nila sa gobyerno natin? eh bakit hanggang ngayon eh wala ngyayari sa mahihirap. ang mahirap lalo naghihirap. ang mayaman lalo yumayaman? sa tingin ninyo sino mas hypocrite sa dalawa?

ang simbahan ay madami din gastosin(overhead /operating cost). nagbabayad din sila kuryente, ilaw, tubig, transportation, food, housing etc. alangan naman hindi nila bayaran ang mga iyon?

let's not justify our beliefs by disparaging other religions without hard facts. we should respect them and they will respect you, atheist or not.

p.s. ako po ay isang katoliko pero hindi sarado katoliko. hindi po ako naniniwala sa rosario, sa paghipo ng idols, sa pagpapalaki ng populasyon atbp. ganun pa man, ako po ay naniniwala sa tulong at importansya na binibigay ng simbahang katoliko sa mamayanan.

peace po mga kapatid.

[rai2k8]

matagal ko na alam yan kaya nga hindi narin ako nagsisimba eh simula ng mamulat ako sa katotohanan na lokohan lng yan!

naaawa ako sa mga myembro nyan na uto uto.

yun mama ko nga sinabihan ko lam mo ba sa history ang daming pinapatay ng simbahan? sbi sakin ah tlaga ganun ba----hindi makapaniwala

parang corporation dapat magdeclare din sila ng gano kalaki assets nila o net worth para mai-rank sila at para magkaalaman na

biruin mo umaasa lng sila sa halos lahat libre ang laki pa ng contributions tapos pag may ipapagawa sa simbahan ibang singilan pa yun. eh san kaya napunta yun regular contrubutions nila.

nagkaron na sa eye-witness ata yun documentary sa kng san ba napupunta ang mga donasyon sa simbahan sayang di ko napanood. matanong ko lng. ilan posryento ba sa bawat piso na binibigay ntin sa kanila ang napupunta sa vatican?

It doesn't mean necessarily na if you believe in Jesus, uto-uto ka na. It's true maraming pinatay noon ang mga Christian. But did you know that the Roman emperor during that time used the religion only as an excuse for their savage wars? It's too bad that you don't believe that there is a Higher Being. But I bet you will be asking for His help pag nasa crisis ka na

[Emgeesy]

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I was doing a little research about the Philippine banks, when I came across a fact, and I searched for more details about it. Here's an excerpt from the wikipedia.org entry:

"The archdiocese is considered to be one of the richest archdioceses in the world, and the richest in the Philippines. It has a considerable number of real estate holdings located in Metro Manila and financial interests in some institutions, even after the division of its territories in the past few years. For one, the archdiocese owns 8.5% of Bank of the Philippine Islands the Philippines' second largest bank and has shares in San Miguel Corporation, Southeast Asia's largest food and beverage company. The archdiocese also owns schools, hostels, charitable institutions and a travel agency."

It is referring to the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Manila. I don't mean to raise a religious debate here, or to insult religious persons, meron na kasi pati akong related thread, but since when naging business entity ang isang archdiocese, morally and legally?

Namumulat na ako sa hypocrisy ng church.

This will answer your queries and doubts.

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Pope Pius XII, Catholic Center
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Tel: 523-2013; 523-2039; 523-2523; 523-2528
Fax: 525-6747Fr. David T. Concepcion


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Ref: http://www.rcam.org/ministry/tempora...olictravel.htm

[boydapa]

pcensya na embassy nasabi ko ksi uto uto ksi ako uto uto dati eh hehe

ok ka din ah saludo ako syo para kang si bunye magpaliwanag hindi naaasar pwede ka sa malacanan hehe

tignan mo naman ang dami ng secta na tumiwalag eh tignan mo naman mga may ari nyan ngayon mga bilyonaryo eh kokonti lng myembro nyan kumpara sa simbahan so dun plang makikita mo na kng gano kadami naibulsa ng simbahan diba. ang lakas nila magsalita na makamahirap sila samatalang yun namamalimos o walang matirhan ni hindi na nila pinapapasok pag gabi.

tsaka yan simbahan dapat tigilan na nila yan prayer power nilang gimik puro tayo dasal wala naman narating samantalang yun ibang karatig bansa natin ni hindi nagdadasal mga yan(i mean catoliko) eh napagiwanan na tayo. lahat ng malas napunta satin sila puro bwenas.

[pitbullz]

dati akong catholic...ngayon...hindi na...(duh)

[cutedoc]

i am not sure if this is a joke or a reality and truth but i agree with the later respond, here it goes, a high ranking priest in our town will be having his birthday next friday, he jokingly said, that to those who would like to donate for our church in cash that would be good, in kind those are what we will partake, then somebody ask "priest diba bawal ang lechon kasi biyernes?" the priest answered, indeed it is prohibited, but we could partake the lechon and in return will do a more notable sacrifice...

tama ba to?

imo, it doesnt matter, if i eat pork or beef or i dont eat at all, the sacrifice must some form within willingly and whole heartedly, so i will be one of those partaking the lechon next friday, but i do eat pork on fridays of lent.

somewhat OT: ive talked with a pastor regarding the differences of roman catholic teachings and christian ways, he told me that both are correct, however roman catholic church based their account on some old doctrines, or in todays time deliberated by the conference of bishop like that of CBCP, however christian way are all based on the bible.

so whats the difference between all the christian, there are several, evangelical, charismatic, born again, they differ in the way the teach the word of god.

if christianity is purely based on what the bible says, what about, ang dating daan, ang tamang daan, they include the old testament in their ways, and they take the literal meaning of what it stated without analyzing further what is meant, its like they grab a verse on each section of the bible to produce and answer to any of our question, which is relatively incorrect.

so what about, ink, seventh day adventist, jehovah witnesses, mormons, they do use the same bible but they translate it differently and they have injected some of their norms and belief, including tradition and old popular practices.

and what about buddism, hiduism, taoism, and being a moslem which follows a different book which is koran, buddha is like jesus in real life form, he practices a genuine and godly way of living, moslem worships allah and vows over what koran says which however is different form what the bible says.

my talk with the pastor is way more than this, above are just the summary, to know more about God and what he is to say, read the bible, if you dont understand it then have a companion or a guidance with somebody who have more knowledge on it, join a bible study to learn more about God.

-the good thing about what the pastor told me was, your belief, your faith will come form the heart, you yourself will be wanting to know more about god, its not enough to be good but you know why you are being good=)

[Emgeesy]

i am not sure if this is a joke or a reality and truth but i agree with the later respond, here it goes, a high ranking priest in our town will be having his birthday next friday, he jokingly said, that to those who would like to donate for our church in cash that would be good, in kind those are what we will partake, then somebody ask "priest diba bawal ang lechon kasi biyernes?" the priest answered, indeed it is prohibited, but we could partake the lechon and in return will do a more notable sacrifice...

tama ba to?

imo, it doesnt matter, if i eat pork or beef or i dont eat at all, the sacrifice must some form within willingly and whole heartedly, so i will be one of those partaking the lechon next friday, but i do eat pork on fridays of lent.

somewhat OT: ive talked with a pastor regarding the differences of roman catholic teachings and christian ways, he told me that both are correct, however roman catholic church based their account on some old doctrines, or in todays time deliberated by the conference of bishop like that of CBCP, however christian way are all based on the bible.

so whats the difference between all the christian, there are several, evangelical, charismatic, born again, they differ in the way the teach the word of god.

if christianity is purely based on what the bible says, what about, ang dating daan, ang tamang daan, they include the old testament in their ways, and they take the literal meaning of what it stated without analyzing further what is meant, its like they grab a verse on each section of the bible to produce and answer to any of our question, which is relatively incorrect.

so what about, ink, seventh day adventist, jehovah witnesses, mormons, they do use the same bible but they translate it differently and they have injected some of their norms and belief, including tradition and old popular practices.

and what about buddism, hiduism, taoism, and being a moslem which follows a different book which is koran, buddha is like jesus in real life form, he practices a genuine and godly way of living, moslem worships allah and vows over what koran says which however is different form what the bible says.

my talk with the pastor is way more than this, above are just the summary, to know more about God and what he is to say, read the bible, if you dont understand it then have a companion or a guidance with somebody who have more knowledge on it, join a bible study to learn more about God.

-the good thing about what the pastor told me was, your belief, your faith will come form the heart, you yourself will be wanting to know more about god, its not enough to be good but you know why you are being good=)

well said kapatid. gaya nga ng sinabi ko, as long as you believe in the supreme being who has given us all the blessing in life, religion wouldn't matter. alam naman po natin na madami kapalpakan at kasalanan ang catholic church. wala naman po nag de-deny sa mga ginawa nila sa past. nasa tao lang po iyan. ang mga pari ay tao din kaya hindi din sila perpekto. ngunit, kailangan ba natin ibalewala ang mga magagandang bagay na kanilang ginawa at tinulong sa ating mga kapatid? di ba mas maganda na may paniniwala at pananalig ang isang tao kesa sa wala? would you condemn the whole police force if 1 or 2 crooked cops are still in their fold? pag wala magrereklamo, walang ebidensiya. pag wala ebidensiya, wala kaso. pag wala kaso, walang nangyayari. priests who practice as such should be punished and banished from the church.

like i said...we are only human.

[Emgeesy]

pcensya na embassy nasabi ko ksi uto uto ksi ako uto uto dati eh hehe

ok ka din ah saludo ako syo para kang si bunye magpaliwanag hindi naaasar pwede ka sa malacanan hehe

tignan mo naman ang dami ng secta na tumiwalag eh tignan mo naman mga may ari nyan ngayon mga bilyonaryo eh kokonti lng myembro nyan kumpara sa simbahan so dun plang makikita mo na kng gano kadami naibulsa ng simbahan diba. ang lakas nila magsalita na makamahirap sila samatalang yun namamalimos o walang matirhan ni hindi na nila pinapapasok pag gabi.

tsaka yan simbahan dapat tigilan na nila yan prayer power nilang gimik puro tayo dasal wala naman narating samantalang yun ibang karatig bansa natin ni hindi nagdadasal mga yan(i mean catoliko) eh napagiwanan na tayo. lahat ng malas napunta satin sila puro bwenas.

kapatid, walang masama maging uto uto basta ba naniniwala ka sa diyos.

mas magaling sa akin si sec. bunye. ako po ay isang makasalanang tao tulad ng mga paring nabanggit mo. tayo po ay tao lang.

natural lang sa isang relihiyon na meron tumitiwalag sa kanila. kung sa katoliko ay meron, meron din sa budhismo, muslim at born again christians. walang perpektong tao at wala din perpektong relihiyon. ngunit, mas maigi na meron ka paniniwala at pananalig sa diyos kesa sa wala. ito po ay isang opinion ko lang base sa biblia. tungkol naman sa mga pulubi na hindi pinapapasok sa gabi, yan po ay isolated cases laang. meron kasi ngyari sa malate church na nagnakaw ng santo, cable ng kuryente isang pulubi. hindi mo masisi sila kung meron dahilan man. hindi naman po lahat ng simbahang katoliko ay ganyan tulad ng sinasabi mo. gaya nga ng sinabi ng iba, we have our own free will to join other sects or parish. depende po iyan sa pananaw natin.

about sa prayer prayer naman, pagpaumanhin ninyo po ako pero hindi po ako sangayon sa sinasabi ninyo. prayers do wonders. eh kung ikaw ay isang taong walang relihiyon ngayon at hindi nanalig sa diyos, wag mo sana i condemn ang mga nananalig at naniniwala sa diyos. we can be a bad catholic but we can become a good christian.

para sa akin, wala po sa relihiyon iyan. basta may paninindigan ka, paniniwala sa diyos eh iyon po ang pinaka importante. ang mga ginagawa ng simbahang katoliko ay hindi 100% correct. they know it, we know it. even pope john paul II acknowledged the roman catholic church's wrong doings in the past. as ive said, we are not perfect. we, as christian should know through divine intervention what we think is right. nasasa atin po iyan.

salamat po.

[froshie1]

I was doing a little research about the Philippine banks, when I came across a fact, and I searched for more details about it. Here's an excerpt from the wikipedia.org entry:

"The archdiocese is considered to be one of the richest archdioceses in the world, and the richest in the Philippines. It has a considerable number of real estate holdings located in Metro Manila and financial interests in some institutions, even after the division of its territories in the past few years. For one, the archdiocese owns 8.5% of Bank of the Philippine Islands the Philippines' second largest bank and has shares in San Miguel Corporation, Southeast Asia's largest food and beverage company. The archdiocese also owns schools, hostels, charitable institutions and a travel agency."

It is referring to the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Manila. I don't mean to raise a religious debate here, or to insult religious persons, meron na kasi pati akong related thread, but since when naging business entity ang isang archdiocese, morally and legally?

Namumulat na ako sa hypocrisy ng church.

LOLOLOLLOL.... Source wikipedia... Anybody can edit info in Wikipedia.

[ringostarr]

I was doing a little research about the Philippine banks, when I came across a fact, and I searched for more details about it. Here's an excerpt from the wikipedia.org entry:

"The archdiocese is considered to be one of the richest archdioceses in the world, and the richest in the Philippines. It has a considerable number of real estate holdings located in Metro Manila and financial interests in some institutions, even after the division of its territories in the past few years. For one, the archdiocese owns 8.5% of Bank of the Philippine Islands the Philippines' second largest bank and has shares in San Miguel Corporation, Southeast Asia's largest food and beverage company. The archdiocese also owns schools, hostels, charitable institutions and a travel agency."

It is referring to the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Manila. I don't mean to raise a religious debate here, or to insult religious persons, meron na kasi pati akong related thread, but since when naging business entity ang isang archdiocese, morally and legally?

Namumulat na ako sa hypocrisy ng church.

actually it's the reverse of it. you cannot blame the church. the church is not like Mcdo who buys all prime corner lots and stoplight intersections estate and hope that people will not see thru that hidden agenda and still think of them as just your friendly neighborhood burger shop.

long ago, when there were trees and jungles and farm animals or take for example Africa na lang, missionaries were sent by the Vatican to build makeshift churches sa mga not fit for human habitation places na ito. ganun din nangyari sa atin. sa mga barrios natin na naging town then naging munisipyo then city.

a church is built. people flock-in bec. they think it's a holy place -> a safe place. then the outreach services wing of the church will turn to nearby hospitals and the civilian officials will turn into a city hall. then schools, then cafeterias, restaurants and last but not least, the new neighbor of the church -> INTERNET CAFEs

kaya pansin mo, halos sa lahat ng towns dito sa'tin. halos magkatabi lang ang munisipyo at simbahan. that's history. and history has its perks, hindi naman kaila na talagang mataas ang real estate value ng matataong lugar. swerte mo nga pag minana mo lupa ng magulang mo lapit sa church

so dont blame them. dont even accuse them of hypocrisy bec. if not for them, peaceful communities will never be built nor survive.

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now, bakit you may ask pag-aari ng Vatican/simbahan ang mga churches na ito? why you'd rather wish the church be owned by Govt? or by a community? eh di compromised kagad ang beliefs nila if they are owned by these other entities.

it's like this, may abusadong town mayor. the priests&churhc protect the people. sasabihin lang ng mayor, umalis nga kayo dyan, sa gobyerno ang lupang yan.